I agree. I thought it was a fumble returned for a TD. Would have given us our first 40 point game in over a decade.
here's the thing, had the officials not ruled that Brown steps out of bounds, do you think that part of the play (him stepping out) is even looked, at let alone overruled? I say no.
I disagree, simply because the part you're quoting is meant as the consequence of the action referred to in the sentence that preceded it. To me, this is meant to clarify cases where the QB is attempting a forward pass behind the LOS and not a lateral.
I agree with this. I`ve spent far too much time watching the replay and I`m finally ready to move on. We won,bottom line. And in the mean time it should be a learning experience for this team to realize they did a lazy job of defending that type of play. The Steelers players were in perfect position on every lateral and it was obvious they practiced that play numerous times. It almost worked for them but in the end IT DIDNT. . I`m turning my focus on to the Patriots.
All scoring plays are reviewed. I`m confident it would have been overturned anyway as it was clear he stepped out.
I can't remember the year, I want to say 2000 or 2001, but as soon as they announced Brown was out of bounds and the play was over, all I could think of as they switched to the post game show was that game up in New England where Miami had to come back out on the field 20+ minutes after the game to watch Michael Bishop throw a Hail Mary pass. I kept waiting for the NFL to say there was some way that game wasn't over.
I get most of that, and I really don't want to take a side here other than to say, in almost every NFL game decided by less than seven points, there are probably calls or one certain play that if it wouldn't have happened, the game would have turned out different. How many times do you see a holding penalty wipe out a TD sometime in a game, and a team has to settle for a field goal or even no points and that team ends up losing the game? And we forget about these plays by the end of the game because of the mantra that no one play decides a football game. This play is simply magnified because it was the last play of the game. JDang mentioned preparation, and I'm sure our guys have been taught tackling, pursuit, effort, and taking proper pursuit angles, like Philbin mentioned, but how much time are you really going to devote to hypothetical, last play-lateral plays at the end of games? Maybe about as much as you prepare for trick reverses on kick-offs or missed long FGs being returned? I would imagine you'd spend more time preparing for fake punts or onside kicks than plays like this, although again, I think these type of plays do get covered by attention to proper angles, giving all-out effort every play, and maybe the team runs one or two over the course of a month in a scrimmage. In general, these plays have little success rate, and the one against us ends up falling into that category instead of being an outlier like the Music City Miracle. Lastly, I won't pretend this play didn't happen. You mentioned that was weak, and it did happen. Hopefully our guys will give out all effort in similar situations and nothing this close happens against us again. I'm sure the coaches will impress those thoughts. But that said, if it's weak to pretend it didn't happen, in the same breath, is it then not weak for the New England Patriots fans to feel like they may not have beat us last time we play if they weren't gifted three highly questionable pass interference calls and a third down holding call on the other side of the field where a WR just slipped and there wasn't even contact (don't even have to mention the questionable batting call), which instead of punts resulted in points? Or Ravens fans to feel like they wouldn't have beaten us without two highly questionable pass interference calls on the opening drive of the second half that gifted them points to get them back into the game? I could go on, but in the end, I get why this one's magnified because it was the last play... but I just don't think it's much different than any other plays that almost/could/did or didn't happen that resulted in or took away points that happen in games. In the end, we won. We've been screwed a lot of times. This time, we weren't (well, aside from no illegal motion penalty or a forward lateral not being called). Hurray for us.
remember that one crazy way to end the game. IIRC we won the division on that game. Players were coming out of the tunnel with towels and flip flops on.
one would think, but it was the last play of the game in the snow... the refs haven't exactly exuded confidence in their ability to make the correct calls at the end of the game this year (or last)
I agree that it was B.S. At most they could argue that it's inconclusive, but in reality the line shows that it was, as a matter of fact, forward. It would just be another case of the refs blowing a call.
Exactly. The play happened. Yes there were missed and questionable calls, but it happened. If Brown doesn't step out we lose. Period. No different than a holding call that gets missed. The officials let the play off. If Pittsburgh wins they were lucky they didn't get called for illegal motion. But we won. And we were lucky Brown stepped out.
Exactly it is not a judgement call. We have clear evidence of where the ball started and where it ended. In todays day of technology it is simple to determine if the ball traveled forward. The NFL needs to get its act together and employ refs all year. During the off season they should spend 40hrs a week training. Its also B.S. how the NFL comes down on coaches and players who criticize bad officiating in games.
Yep, that's the one. I still can't remember the year though. I remember leaving my great-grandmother's house thinking Miami had won only to have to listen to it on the radio in the car on the way back.
LOL. On an internet discussion forum you can tell how someone is acting? Are you the NSA or something? Tapping everyone's webcam? It's an internet forum, all you have is what they're saying.
on the last offensive drive why did Sherman call three straight run plays to the left side of the oline they were ready for us on all three plays ? am I way off base on that last drive because I thought we were going to get a touchdown but we got stopped.
They did, sort of. With the question of the line, is there a gif of it as the ball is leaving Ben's hand? The gif on page 1 still has the ball in his hand. Also the ball is still in the air and not in Brown's hand. With the angle of the camera, arc of the ball, it very well could be only inches forward with all intents and purposes is a lateral. Now I wish I recorded the game. Eh, over it. We won. Game over. On to the next.
I would like to see a gif with the line being drawn at the point where brown catches the ball and then look to see it the release point by Ben is in front or behind that line. It might make it a bit more clear that it was a forward lateral for some.
At the time, it looked so close to me that it would be inconclusive. Bottom line, we got mofoing lucky. I still can not believe it came down to that BS, but whatever. I'll take it biotch!!
yea nad the past couple of days i have been watching NFL coverage once more (God only knows why) and I have seen Polamolu's pick six as a top 5 play, big Ben named a top 5 QB this week by Warner and all sorts of accolades for Cotcherey and Brown and a brief mention of Clay's second TD. you'd think that Pitt was the one who actually won the game ..
No way bro. I'm f-----g psyched. That was a huge win. I just can't believe it came down to that play and how close we came to losing. Even at the time of the play, I was thinking that there is no way we lose this game on this play, but looking back, that was f'ing crazy.
You never know Greyson. The Pats bad call has been discussed big time. They might be conservative this week. Just for this week.
We would have really gotten ****ed big time had Brown not stepped out of bounds. Twice over, in fact.
Did they come out and ever say they were properly set? Or just avoided it and talked about how well the officiating was and that the right calls were made and patted themselves on the back , again .
Dis..IDK about that. However, I think the media/network scrutiny of the refs has really affected how they call the games. They are scared, for lack of a better term, to make a call in some cases... And overall, the job they do is still really, really good, even tho the missed calls certainly make more headlines.
That's why I've never been a fan of snow games. Often in those conditions talent is negated, and the luckiest team wins due to a fluke. I want to see talent against talent, not a comedy of errors brought on by the weather.
Which is why I don't want Super Bowls played in cities where this could be a factor , such as NY/ NJ . To me it isn't fair to increase the chance that weather could factor in who wins and who loses . How would it be if a team lost because of this? Just not a chance I would take.
His stepping out was 100% obvious on the replay. They definitely would have reversed the call had they not seem him do so at the time.
I totally agree. I think it is beyond stupid to play the upcoming Super Bowl in New Jersey. What's next? Buffalo making a bid to host the Super Bowl? Just rotate it between Miami, Tampa, New Orleans, Atlanta, Arizona, and San Diego, and call it good. That's what I'd do.
Refs screwed us in the previous Steelers game on a replay...............why wouldn't they have here if it went to replay? ;p Too bad Mike Pereira wasn't watching that game. He was watching Baltimore/Minny. He has no stake in either side now being retired. Would have loved his opinion.
I do not have a problem with where the Superbowl is being held. I do not care is weather factors into the results or not. The Superbowl event has transformed itself into a two week extravaganza with the game being the finale. They should be selecting cities based on what they believe provides the best overall fan experience.
Different set of circumstances. Different referee under the hood. One of the problems in the previous game was the head linesman Jerry Bergman prematurely signally TD and blowing the whistle before he could have possibly seen the ball cross the goal line in the possession of Ben.
We can talk about it till we are blue in the face. If Brown doesn't step out, the play would NOT have been overturned. Let's just be thankful he did.
Blandino said it wouldn't have been from his perspective, but John Parry may have seen it differently. Jeff Triplette saw things differently than Blandino on the reversal and subsequent TD on the Green-Ellis run.
