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Does Tannehill get enough Credit?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan40, Dec 4, 2013.

  1. dolfan40

    dolfan40 Well-Known Member

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    Ryan Tannehill has more passing yards than Luck, RG3,Kaepernick and Wilson. And more touchdowns and a higher completion% than the first 3 I named......
    And all have a better oline
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's a tough, humble sob..I know that..I think he wants to, and will do everything in his power to be the best player he can be, I know that...I know that he's going to work very hard this offseason and try to get as many of his skill players to join him..I know that..he's relentless in his approach to the game on the field..the jets defense felt that..

    If he scores more points for his offense, he'll get the credit.
     
  3. seabass0795

    seabass0795 New Member

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    Also he is working of zero run game, and running is the qbs best friend. Not sure if I am correct, but I believe he has more interceptions than all 4 and that is why he isn't getting as much credit
     
  4. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Quarterbacks get credit based on how the team does, good or bad. Until this team starts making and winning playoff games he won't get the credit.
     
  5. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, he gets enough credit.

    It's other young quarterbacks(Luck, RGIII), tend to get ludicrous amounts of credit.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Beat the freakin steelers in their park and the credit will come in waves.
     
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  7. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    When he takes them to the playoffs, he will get the lion share of the credit. Until then, he is merely seen as an improving QB which has led his team to a 13-15 won-loss record so far.
    All the other QB's you mentioned took their teams to the playoffs in their first year as starting QB's in the NFL and that is why they get more positive press than Tannehill at this time.

    Tannehill is certainly playing better than RG3 and Luck right now, but Luck, Kaepernick, and Wilson are probably going to lead their teams to the playoffs for the second straight year. In the NFL getting your team into the playoffs is really all that matters for a QB. Hopefully we will be talking about Tannehill taking this team to the playoffs on a regular basis in a few years.
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    And I think that is so stupid. Not saying that you are stupid. I just do not believe that football is an individual sport. Having a great quarterback gives you an amazing advantage, however it isn't enough to get a team into the playoffs. You still need a good amount of other players.

    I think that Tannehill isn't getting enough attention because he isn't even mentioned in the same sentence as the other young quarterbacks. Like he is so far behind RG3, Luck, Wilson, Foles, Dalton and Newton that he doesn't even get a consideration. They pretty much acting like he is playing like Ryan Leaf.
     
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  9. Triggercut

    Triggercut Well-Known Member

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    At halftime last week, coach Cower was speaking of how horrible Geno Smith was, and said oh yeah, Tannehill is bad too. Said he was robotic and just plain bad. The rest of the panel just nodded in agreement.
     
  10. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    I got this MrClean.

    That's Cowher.

    I've become real picky on who I listen to any more.
     
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  11. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    On this forum, he gets far too much credit. Total yards and completion percentages mean absolutely nothing if you can't win the ballgame, and we have one of the lowest scoring offenses in the league. When you look purely at his "stats", you can't see things like underthrown passes, poorly placed balls or missing wide open receivers....it only shows what people want to see (good or bad)

    Take last week, for example...should we praise Tannehill for throwing a screen pass 3 feet over Wallace's head? On paper, it was a 30+ yard TD pass but all know a completely different story. What about the 4 yard slant to Hartline....does that prove Tannehill's greatness? Yes, that was a near perfect throw (for 4 yards, mind you), but it was Hartline that made the move to take it to the house. Without those two plays after the catch, it's a 9-3 score and Tannehill with a sub-70 QBR.

    Tannehill is an average NFL QB that's still figuring some things out. He may end up being a great franchise QB, or he may wash out of the league in a year or two...it's too soon to tell. Until he figures out how to use the middle of the field and to throw more accurately though, he does not deserve any additional praise.
     
  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Jesus man, listening to you, you'd think no other QB benefits from a receiver's YAC.

    Its so wrong, that I'm not allowed to label your stance as that of a clear hater without many crying.
     
  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am very confident that he will not wash out of the league in a year or two.
     
  14. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    no.
     
  15. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    That wasn't even a screen pass, it was a short hitch first of all. Seconf of all I doubt it was three feet over his head unless Wallace has 5 foot long arms, because his elbows weren't even fully extended upwards.

    Second of all if you want to make that point, take yards after catch away from every NFL QB for a fair comparison. We may as well add in what could have been on drops by receivers as well.
     
  16. Silverphin

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    Though, to be fair to Wilson, the 'Hawks have a running game they can depend on. (i.e. Beast Mode).
     
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  18. Marino1384

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    Cowher had Kordell Stewart starting for 6 years.... He got lucky with roelisburger after 13 years of coaching, ill pass on his qb development analysis...
     
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  19. 407PhinFan

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    You know for the most part he carves up the middle of the field, right?

    You want to talk about plays that have gone for positive yardage without much help from tannehill, what about yards his receivers have left on the field? The number of yards lost just from drops, without YAC, is 352. That's the third most yardage dropped in the league.

    There are plenty of great throws he's made, plenty of moments he's stepped up, where the rest of the team has failed to pull it together and lead to a win. Sunday before last I seem to remember him dropping a game winner into Mike Wallace's hands.

    Or what about vs Baltimore where he drove down the field, completing a heroic 42 yard pass down field on a roll out on 4th and 13 to keep a drive alive... only to get sacked the next play, and have his FG kicker miss a game tying long FG after the sack?

    I'm not saying he hasn't had a lot of boneheaded plays as well, but if you're going to talk about the bad and omit some of the good, let's talk about the good that didn't pan out through no fault of his own
     
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  20. tannehills perception suffers because he plays solid ball but seldom makes plays that make people say wow. If he was consistently putting the ball in perfect places and making great reads then he would receive more praise. He is still developing his craft which should come as no surprise to anyone considering his limited experience playing QB.
     
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  21. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    He seldom makes plays where people say Wow? I agree with a lot of what you have said..but there's been quite a few wow plaus by Tannehill...

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  22. Bpk

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    Interesting point.

    The only Wow play that jumps to mind was that fourth down escape-artists play where he rolled left and hit Gibson late in the game. I think it was the Falcons game?

    ANyone else have some "Wow Tannehill!!!" moments? (This year's version of "I love you Rich Camarillo!!!")
     
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  23. vt_dolfan

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    I think it was...the Cleveland game..but he hit someone in the endzone..DJ might remember because we both talked about it after..but I swear it seemed like he curved the football in somehow..I remember going how I'm the hell did he get it in there..

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  24. Marino1384

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    Greg Camerillo lol
     
  25. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    The throw to Wallace at the end of the Panthers game fits as well..

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  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The throw to Hartline to put Miami in field goal range.
     
  27. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think he has wow throws where you see the arm talent on display, but the credit will need to come from making individual plays maneuvering the pocket under intense pressure in big game situations, not from just being a distributor of the football..this is how you make critical first downs, which lead to points, which leads to wins.

    The instinct to anticipate pressure and know when to escape, when to run, when to escape and throw is his weakness, I know he has athletic ability but that doesn't mean he has an innate sense of feeling pressure, or is quick enough in his reflexes to react in a way that takes him to another level at this point, now that being said, have we seen a glimpses lately, yes, does the fact that he's only played 3 full seasons of Qb including college factor in to the greenness that we see, I do believe so.

    I'm confident that Ryan will improve as a Qb, how much is where I can't say..you see, when you watch an Andrew luck, or Wilson, or Kaepernick, I have seen them reach a certain level of qb'ing under certain conditions so I feel confident that given proper variables I can trust that I will get that again..Ryan has yet to show that level of play.
     
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  28. TotoreMexico

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    If that's the case, you should discredit Peyton Manning and Drew Brees too:

    Demaryius Thomas.........594 YAC
    Pierre Thomas...............549 YAC
    Darren Sproles..............404 YAC
    Knowshon Moreno..........364 YAC

    That's almost 1000 yards each thanks to only 2 players making plays AFTER the catch. And I'm not even taking into account other players on offense.
     
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  29. RevRick

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    Jeez... I actually miss those guys. They were always good for a laugh!
     
  30. Frumundah Finnatic

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    LOL Brunell still thinks Geno Smith can get the Jets into the playoffs.
    ESPN is ****.
     
  31. Unlucky 13

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    Several drops in the end zone, plus several drives where a long pass got the team to the goal line, and we ran the ball in for the TD.
     
  32. mlb1399

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    It's amazing to me that some of the analysts, who understand it's a team sport, still give all the credit or blame to a QB. People talk about the greatness of Tom Brady and the rising superstar that is Russell Wilson. What do those two players have in common, championship defenses. How many rings has Brady won since Bruschi, Law, Milloy, McGinnest, Seymour all left?

    This isn't meant to take anything away from those guys because they still have to do their jobs and make plays. Ryan Tannehill has to lead his offense to score 5 more points per game than Russell Wilson to win. On top of that, he doesn't have a running back to rely on when he's having an off game.

    RTH certainly needs to improve and isn't there yet but I've been pretty happy with his progress in spite of one of the worst OL's in the NFL and an ineffective running game.
     
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  33. brandon27

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    Yup. Just like it was when we started off 3-0. The media is so ridiculous.
     
  34. jdang307

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    Why are they ridiculous? Win, and you get praise. Lose, and you don't. Pretty effing simple. We beat a crappy team and have been uneven since week 3. Why should they be heaping praise on someone on a team that isn't winning?
     
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  35. cuchulainn

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    Spot on IMO... In the past four (4) games, Andrew Luck has thrown 2 TDs and 5 INTs. Luck hasn't been able to overcome losing Wayne, while still having a decent receiving corp, OLine, and run support. Griffin is too quick to give up on a pass play and tuck and run. He also has the worst downfield accuracy % of the 3.

    If Tannehill had their performances in the past few games, people would be jumping off bridges, but somehow they are still better in their eyes...
     
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  36. rtl1334

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    What you are highlighting is the "mob" mentality of the media and fandom alike. You say something long enough and loud enough, eventually people believe you.

    Why let the facts and truth get in the way of a wonderful narrative?
     
  37. jw3102

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    I was responding to a comment asking why Tannehill doesn't get the same notice from the media that the other young QB's get. I don't disagree that it takes more than just the QB to have a winning team. Yet the reality is that the Dolphins have been a mediocre team since Tannehill became the QB and the other young QB's you listed have all been on playoff teams except for Newton.

    Newton had a great rookie season and as the first pick in the 2011 draft, he has received a lot of hype ever since he came into the NFL. Last year he received a lot of negative press, just as RG3 has this year, but in the case of Newton, the media has been more favorable this year because of the Panthers record in 2013.

    The Dolphins have been such a mediocre team for so long that it is going to take a couple of consecutive playoff appearances before Tannehill and the rest of the team get a lot of notice from the media around the country.

    Right now Tannehill is rated down the list as far as young QB's are concerned by most members of the media. This may be unfair to him as an individual, but that is what happens when the team around you is perceived to be just another mediocre team in the NFL. If the Dolphins can win their next four games and earn a spot in the playoffs this year, Tannehill and the rest of the team will receive more positive reviews from the media. If they finish 8-8 and don't make the playoffs, the media will continue to ignore the team and that includes Tannehill.

    Fair or not, it is all about winning and the playoffs. If your team isn't in the playoffs, it really doesn't matter what type of season you had. Tannehill should only be concerned with what his coaches and the players on the Dolphins think about him anyway. If they are happy with his performance, he shouldn't care at all what fans or the media have to say about him.
     
  38. unifiedtheory

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    It's a weird question, like Dis said, the other guys are the one's receiving too much credit. It make's Tannehill seems underrated.

    I like the development curve we are seeing with Tannehill. I'd like to see him with a new QB Coach and playcaller though.

    I like Andrew Luck and think he will be the best of the bunch but we are seeing his is mortal playing behind a poor offensive line and no Reggie Wayne. RG3 is overrated. Without his running ability I think he's very mediocre. Kaepernick, in my opinion is RG3 without getting hurt yet. Wilson is fantastic but, and I think it's a huge one, he fell into a fantastic situation. Awesome run game, great defense, home field advantage like no other.

    If Tannehill ends up where I think he could be, just below Luck and Wilson (who will be the top tier), in the 4-8 range I think we will all be pleased.

    Mostly.

    Someone will always have something to complain about with him. Hell, some Patriot fans complain about Brady and he's top 5 All Time.
     
  39. rtl1334

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    I was a big Andrew Luck guy the past few years but I am seeing some cracks in his abilities. He has two troubling tendencies...he has a habit of overshooting his receivers and he's not showing the patience in the pocket to go through his progressions. I blame the latter on the Colts over-reliance on his freakish athleticism.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    And this is the exact point where the evaluation of Ryan becomes gray for me personally, could it be that the training from the get to make Ryan hang in the pocket to go thru these strict progressions in this offense could actually make him a better long term Qb, even if it means going thru extra growing pains in the interim..

    I hold out hope that the lethargy we see from Ryan in the pocket is directly attributed to the training involved in a progression read offense.
     

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