If Ryan Tannehill averages 186.5 yards passing for the remainder of the season...

If Ryan Tannehill averages 222 yards passing for the remainder of the season...

Did you not take a frame out of your pictures? Hartline puts his hand up and runs probably 4 more yards before Tannehill "throws back shoulder". That's not a correct back shoulder throw. I don't care what you try and illustrate by pictures. The correct throw and read 100% was to lead hartline.

This is what I meant by your original post being ridiculous. Why is it people go out of their way to try and prove Tannehill didn't do a bad job on this throw? CK your making it to difficult. That was a bad idea and a bad throw. Or it was just a bad throw. Pick one and move on to the next decision.

Guys! It's okay if you admit every once in a while Tannehill ****ed something up. It's not the end of the world.

 

What you just wrote is complete bull sh-t. Debate the point but don't pretend it's ridiculous when there's such obvious parallels between what happened on this play and what happens on back shoulder throws in the exact same offense in Green Bay.

You're making it difficult to take you seriously.

 

If Ryan Tannehill averages 222 yards passing for the remainder of the season...

You don't have to take me serious CK. It doesn't matter to me. I'm here to talk Dolphin football. I don't look for cosigns. I'm here to express my opinion. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I realize you want to get into an argument but it wouldn't matter. How many times do you see people change their opinion on here or any other message board?

I appreciate your work and knowledge of the game and dolphins. Doesn't mean I have to agree with everything you say.

 

I think you have the right of it here. We really don't know until we talk to Tannehill and/or Hartline about it. And even then, these guys are usually in a hurry to accept blame for one another so that might be difficult to weed through.

If you actually research back shoulder throws and the markers that tend to precede them, this play had all of the markers of a back shoulder attempt. That doesn't mean the players were on the same page, or that Tannehill didn't hold onto the ball half a beat too long, or that the throw ended up a little further than a back shoulder should've been. All of those could be true. But it certainly looks like a back shoulder read and I don't know why some people are choosing to act ignorantly as if that's the most preposterous idea in history.

 

Lets not forget he also drafted that Odrick guy too....

 

There's a difference between disagreement (which is perfectly OK to me) and disrespect (which is not). You should meditate on it.

 

Back shoulder passes are usually called in the play. Even if it was a back shoulder throw, Tannenhill threw an awful throw then. It can really only be solved once talking to Tannenhill or Hartline.

 

Why?

I mean at least explain why you think its ridiculous, because what he said made sense to me.

(Never mind....I see you explained it further in the thread.)

I do still think its not a bad explanation of what happened.

 

Ryan Tannehill is legit and capable of being an upper echelon qb for us for a long time. Anyone still arguing this point? Simple up down vote

 

If Ryan Tannehill averages 222 yards passing for the remainder of the season...

I did. Because hartline got even and got Millners back turned early. That's when you throw a back shoulder throw. Not when your WR has beat his defender by 3 yards with no over the top help.

If it was a back shoulder throw, which I admit I thought that as well live, and it could be. I'm not saying it's ridiculous that it was a back shoulder throw. I think it's ridiculous to say it was the right thing to do.

If it was a back shoulder throw it was the wrong decision and a bad throw. If it wasn't it was an awful throw.

 

For what its worth...

I keep reading Ryan Tannehill misses 2 or 3 throws a game.

So does Tom Brady. Ive seen him make some absolutely horrible throws at times.

 

it only looks awful if the receiver is not expecting it

 

If Ryan Tannehill averages 222 yards passing for the remainder of the season...

What I think your talking about is posters saying he misses two or three big throws a game. He misses many more during the game. As does most QBs.

I mean hell, the first half Rich Gannon probably pointed out 4 or 5 throws that should of been made. I think I remember disagreeing with him on one. But either way.

Also, I want to point out, I like what I've seen from Tannehill the past couple games. Doesn't mean his beyond criticism.

 

He does, actually I counted 5 missed throws/improperly placed throws in the first half

Second half he caught fire and BLine and Wallace picked him up

No one saw Bline housing a slant coming

 

Tannehill should have lead Hartline like he did in the Browns game. Not a lot of air, fit it in there on the run, have Hartline caught from behind per usual. Rinse. Repeat.

 

Seems to me manning has missed some huge throws throughout his career. But am not going to go back and research each one. Why they aren't etched in our brain? Well probably because while we like to watch them, we are watching with our heads, our hearts don't have a vested interest.

I look at big picture, we have no offense at all w/o Ryan period. He is a second yr qb carrying this team.

 

1) Hartline didn't have three yards of separation. You're off by about two yards on that.
2) You don't know it's the wrong throw unless you know the play and what the two practice in those situations.

 

If Ryan Tannehill averages 222 yards passing for the remainder of the season...

You have the play, mind posting the picture of the separation prior to the throw?

2- so we can't comment or talk about any play at all then. Got it.

 

You're just intentionally trying to be absurd now. I discussed the play rationally. Your response was that I was being "ridiculous" and even multiple times accusing me of intentionally misleading with my show of the data. Oh but now you're sooooo oppressed. We're saying you can't even discuss plays! Oh my god! How awful for you! Would you like a little cheese with your whine?

 

If Ryan Tannehill averages 222 yards passing for the remainder of the season...

Lol CK your the one that said it? I don't know what's wrong with the throw because I don't know the play and what they practice. What would your response like me to be to that?

Oh yes, sorry for discussing the play. Your right I don't know the play or what they practice.

I know it fell incomplete. That will be my only response for now on.

Incomplete pass.


Complete pass.

 

Watch, when Bline's hand goes up...what are we seeing?

He had a yard and a half on Milner, properly thrown ball goes past his oustretched hand to where he is running, ie, 3 yds, that is the window Tannehill had to throw the ball into

9 feet of field to throw the ball and instead THill goes high and to the inside when the throw needed to be high and to the outside, heading down the field

I won't bag on Tannehill for missing that particular throw, will bag on him for consistently missing that throw

It can work out out though, Wallace's Td was high and the Cb was caught in between going for the ball or tackling Wallace, he tried to do both and Wallace housed it

We won't even talk about Tannehill missing Marlon Moore deep down the field...wide open

 

Missing Marlon Moore where he got hit right as he threw it?

 

Stop acting so oppressed. Nobody said you can't discuss the play. I suggested that perhaps you shouldn't shut down such discussion so strenuously by calling it "ridiculous" when there is an actual basis and there are things we don't and can't know that make the discussion valid. And I'm also suggesting you mind your manners and stop acting as if I'm out to fool people by leaving out certain snapshots. In short, don't be a dick.

 

OMG no....hes a second year QB. He would be the first to tell you he isnt beyond criticism. Where I think we should be concerned is if we see him plateau. So far, there isnt anything I have seen from RT that suggests there are flaws beyond coaching up.

 

I dont think there is any question what so ever that Ryan Tannehill isnt carrying this offense. But, thats my opinion.

 

Given all the responsibilities he is given in this offense, I am very pleased by his development. Worst O-Line in football and a very inconsistent running game, yet putting his team in a position to make the playoffs

 

Indeed. Tannehill being hit as he threw accounted for that and the INT that Wallace watched Cromartie make.

The only throw that I was upset with was the EZ miss to Clay. Still not sure if Clay was slow getting out of his break or if Tannehill just flat out put much on it.

 

I was REALLY pissed Wallace didnt fight for that ball at all.

 

Do you think the coaching staff spoke to Wallace about that..unacceptable. I think I had a stroke when I saw that..WOW

 

Whether its tannehill missing or offense not in sync or Oline causing false clock in qbs head, we need to get it together. To that end there is something that should be improving.

But the blame doesn't lay solely at the feet of Tannehill, some of it is on him, dome on receivers. The play to Hartline could be both a back shoulder throw and a bad decision, or could be hartline felt he was supposed to keep going.

My point is this is called growing pains.

 

Is there an acceptable excuse for that effort? I can't fathom that there is .

 

This is why they keep stats.

 

Yeah I mean...take an offensive PI if you need to.

 

one of Ryan's weaknesses is touch throws, I know you might see one here and there, but it's the touch throw that he struggles with.

 

Zak Taylor for OC !!!!

 

We've seen throw some beautiful touch passes from Tannehill. He has hit Clay on that exact play for a TD before and he hit Miller for a lovely touch pass on the sideline just a game or two ago that I recall. I'd need to watch the play again and maybe from a different angle to say for sure on that EZ play as Clay has a tendency to free lance on his routes. We missed a TD against Carolina due to Clay breaking off his route to shove a defender he was already past then try to resume running resulting in an overthrow.

 

Indeed... reminiscent of the Bucs game INT, which was a bad play by Wallace and a bone headed play by Revis as you never catch an INT on 4th down. Revis cost them tons of field position if it had mattered.

 

I'm guessing you didn't watch that video you posted. The tiny handful of passes that traveled over 15 yards were wounded ducks that got to where they were going by miracles and angel farts.

The WildCat was introduced to spark the offense because while Penny managed it like a champ, he was not providing the spark. You could get away with your argument on other team forums, but we all saw those games, we were all here and discussed them. We know what happened, we heard the reports. I'm not sure why you think you can rewrite history in front of a lot of people that were paying attention.

 

I thought that pass was tipped...if so Wallace could have tackled him before he caught it. To let Cromartie catch that while he stood there was pathetic

 

Should have tackeled him regardless. Cromartie should never have come down with that ball.