Jordan outperformed by Mingo and Ansah

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  1. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    Well youre two of few and I'm too lazy to go back to the draft day threads :lol:
     
  2. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    And again, I've been saying this all season long: This shouldn't be a Vernon vs. Jordan thing, it should be a Vernon AND Jordan thing. The key should be to get them on the field together. We've seen more of that the past few weeks which makes me happy.
     
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  3. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I started a thread on him September 2012, asking if anyone else thought he could turn into a good pass rusher. I thought he showed promise back then. Very few agreed. And a few even laughed at the notion.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Jordan is going on pure instinct as he rushes the passer, he has no plan. No set up, and he's too preoccupied with what the Qb is doing..

    It's why I've been adamant since predraft in making him a player that does it all..I want this guy and expect him to be great, I'm gonna hold him to that standard.
     
  5. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    How ironic considering we can't stop the run without him
     
  6. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Call my cynical..but ..when someones asks a question like this...it smells less of a question..and more of another I'm bored so lets start another Fire Ireland thread.

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  7. mroz

    mroz Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    really should be combined with the Nolan thread… :-/
     
  8. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    /End thread
     
  9. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I find it hard to believe so many buy into this statistic. There are significant flaws in this. A) There's no way to determine whether Jordan would be better given more reps and whether he'd get more sacks; B) Jordan has been used much more exclusively on passing downs which means he's doing nothing but rushing the passer. What would be a better stat would be to compare their stats on pass-rush reps alone. It may be he's much closer to the same number of pass rush reps as Ansah. C) Pressures are important but they also can be over-rated - and are often so among stat-mavens. Sacks are game changers. A lot of good QBs can take pressure and still perform. Actually getting to the QB is a big deal. Much bigger deal than pressures. Hits would come second to sacks. I think a better way would be to give a weighted rating (with Sacks getting much greater weight; then hits; then pressures lower).

    Perhaps it is on the coaching staff for not using him. Perhaps it is his shoulder injury that hindered him. But it may also be that he's just not effective against the run and so does not play those downs. Or, it may be that he's not performing as well on pass rush as Ansah in getting to the QB.

    Jordan simply has not had a huge impact. There are certainly times I would put it on the coaching staff. The thing I really don't understand is when it is a passing situation and Olivier Vernon is still in there while Jordan is on the bench. Yet, at other spots in the same game he'll be in there on 3rd down. What the crap is that?

    This whole team is utterly dysfunctional, imo. I don't totally dislike Philbin. And, would be willing to give him another year. But, the GM, the OL coach, and possibly the DC has to go. Maybe the entire FO/Staff has to go.
     
  10. Silverphin

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    A). While it doesn't show that Jordan would be better, it does show that, given the amount of snaps they have received, Mingo and Ansah aren't outperforming Jordan by much.

    B). While he is in on passing downs, he has been used in coverage as of lately, so that mean he's not always rushing the passer.

    C). If you're not generating pressures, then you're not much of a pass rusher.
     
  11. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    Would you be kind enough to add vernon's stats good sir?
     

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