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What the heck are we doing with all these ridiculous short passes?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by NyPhinfan, Nov 24, 2013.

  1. NyPhinfan

    NyPhinfan Season Ticket Holder

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    Every game I find myself screaming at the television when I see these 2-3 yd passes we complete on 3rd and 3s and 3rd and 4s(dont even get me started on 3rds and longs) I cant remember a season where I have seen so many completed by the Dolphins for such short gains. After todays debacle I had so much pent up anger and disgust...I went back and looked at all of our completed passes. Here is what I found from todays game:

    I just looked at the passes that were completed for 5 yds or less(anything over that I considered reasonable)

    Tannehill completed 28 passes today. 13 of them...almost 50% went for 5yds or less

    The total yardage of those 13 completions went for a grand total of 34 yards.

    That is an AVG of 2.6 per completion for those 13 passes

    Most of these came in the 2nd half when we were leading and in desperate need of first downs or any type of score

    The part that really confuses and befuddles me is this. Just think of all the work needed just to get that 2.6 yds per completion on those 13 throws. the dropbacks...the protection..the throwing and placement of the ball..etc...Just to get 2.6 yds

    This does not even take into consideration the passes that were attempted under 5yds that were INCOMPLETE.

    How in Lords name can we be expected to score when half of our completions are for 5yds or less

    Btw only one of those 13 went for 5 yds. all others were 4 and under

    Who does this fall on? the QB? Sherman?? Mind boggling
     
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  2. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    maybe you should give it some thought before you throw out your rant/question. The offense is designed around very quick short passes because the coaching staff likely has no trust in the league's worst offensive line to provide any protection for Tannehill.
     
  3. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    bad oline = short passes.
    bad running game = short passes

    We can't consistently go deeper than 10+ yards cause the oline cant consistently give Thill that much time. Our glorious speedster at RB is avg 1.8 yards a carry in his last 3 games.

    Those short passes are essentially our running game. its all we have. we;re one dimensional and its amazing its working as often as it does.
     
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  4. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    My favorite was the third and 20 dump off to Mike Wallace for about three yards and the ensuing tweet from the official Miami Dolphins twitter feed where they said Wallace "came up short."

    Yeah, about 17 yards short...bunch of dummies.
     
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  5. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think its a way to offset the lack of pass protection, but its also a safe, high percentage way to gain short bits of yardage to make your 3rd downs manageable. Most teams would do this with a running game, however we severely lack one of those, so its short quick passes.
     
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  6. NyPhinfan

    NyPhinfan Season Ticket Holder

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    Matter of fact I gave it plenty of thought. I know what this offense is designed around. My point is that it is not working very well. Probably going to cost some people their jobs. Completing 2 yds passes on 3rd and 4s...or attempting to complete 1 yd passes on 3rd and 4s is not what I consider efficient. I know our oline is terrible...and we need to get the ball out quickly. Just does not add up to much of a winning formula or mind bending problems for opposing defenses
     
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  7. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Of course it's not working well. It's not working well because our Oline sucks. No offensive philosophy is going to work well if your line can't run or pass block.
    Our line, even with Pouncey, at mid-season was arguably the worst in the league. Then we lost Incognito and Pouncey. Our backup to Cogs is playing center. and his backup got hurt today. leaving us with a 4th string guard playing opposite to John Jerry - who is a 2nd string guard on any other team. Right now, McKinnie is probably the only guy that could start for a couple of other teams in the league. No one else who played today can make that claim.
     
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  8. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    then why has this been going on for the past decade?
     
  9. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    Reading tweets during the game? Really. Why would anyone care.
     
  10. Ludacris

    Ludacris Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So the solution to doing something that doesn't work is to keep doing it again and again...insanity? I mean it didn't work for the last several games and the philosophy is to be stubborn about it? We need to take shots and demand this OL to step up and protect a second longer. I rather challenge them to block their guy one on one than to ask a WR or RB to catch a 3 yard pass and beat 6 guys.
     
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  11. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    this is true.
    This is agenda.
     
  12. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    you're comparing crappiness across regimes? so completely irrelevant. diff owner, diff coaches, diff QBs, diff WRs, diff RBs, diff TEs, diff Olinemen, did I leave anything out?
     
  13. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    seems more like logic to me.
     
  14. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    The short passes to the outside are what drive me nuts. Dangerous throws for minimal payoff.

    I mean the short out breaking routes, not the bubble screens.
     
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  15. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    Because you can comment on them later in message boards when people report them to you, gramps.

    I will get off your lawn now.
     
  16. NyPhinfan

    NyPhinfan Season Ticket Holder

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    I get the reasoning but how well is it working? How good of a position does it put us in when all of a sudden we need to go 90 yards in a minute and need to score a TD then? So all game it's dink and dunk..take very few chances..sit on a lead...then...ok..let's go attack and get the ball down the field. There comes a time where you have to throw the ball more than 3 yards to get first downs and more importantly points
     
  17. Ludacris

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    It's clearly not working...28th in 1st downs per game (17.4), 25th in 3rd down conversion per game (34%), 23rd in points per game (20.8)
     
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  18. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    I want to bang my head on the wall everytime the Dolphins throw a 2 yard pass on 3rd down when they need 3 or 4 yards for a first down and get tackled right away. You can't make a passing play that goes 5 yards? Or TRY and get something going with the run?

    But the Dolphins do it so often I would get a concussion if I banged my head everytime...and the NFL wouldn't like that.
     
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  19. Vertical Limit

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    Problem is none of our receivers have any playmaking ability after a short pass. Those short passes work well when you have receivers like Welker that can make a play after the catch, we don't have a receiver that can do that, the one that could is out for season unfortunately.
     
  20. djphinfan

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    Need to call different plays...those plays are designed for the receptor to make the first guy miss, we nonos have those type of players, and I'd like to see Ryan look it off when he sees tight coverage and make a play.
     
  21. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    What I really wanted to know, was why the $?!& did we throw three straight passes with a lead and 5:30 or so to go in the game? Wouldn't you want to take some time off the clock, even if you didn't think you could run the ball?

    Sherman's play calling has been suspect late in games all season long....it's like he gets tired late in games....give us a break...
     
  22. Phinatic74

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    It ultimately falls on Jeff Ireland. It seems people are so tired of ripping into Jeff Ireland now they need a new scapegoat for the losses and Ryan is in their line of sights. Unfortunately it's not really all his fault, I do believe we have to put energy into getting Ireland fired. Tannehill might just thrive under a new direction, a new offense, maybe a new coaching staff. If Ireland doesn't get canned, it could derail Ryan's career. Can Ireland get fired as soon as NFLs investigation is over? I'd like him gone sooner rather than later. Hopefully we have new GM position available after NY JETS game.
     
  23. invid

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    The problem is the offense is predictable, hence less RAC.
     
  24. jdang307

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    Tanehill is no Peyton Manning, but Peyton gets the ball out quicker I think. No problem with long passes.
     
  25. southbeachbeast

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    mike sherman is a ****ing idiot
     
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  26. OkiePhin

    OkiePhin Well-Known Member

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    Oline we demand you do better! No, I know we have been saying it all season but now we really demand it! There, problem solved...
     
  27. Ludacris

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    Yeah because losing is sooo much better
     
  28. cdz12250

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    It's a process of elimination. The line can't run-block and can't pass-block. The team has to go out there when its turn comes to be on offense, so it has to do something. These quick short passes require no pass blocking and no drive blocking. What you are seeing is the only thing that's left to do. It's either that or forfeit the game, because we can't do anything else.

    What frosts my posterior is that these absolute morons we have as coaches and GM knew by the third of five preseason games that the offensive line was a train wreck and did nothing -- NOTHING-- to sign the offensive line free agents not named Tyson Clabo who came in for workouts, because they didn't want to "overpay." You are witnessing the highly predictable results.

    I hope that this is part of a genius master scheme to forget about this season, spend it on developing the new receiving corps, QB, defense, and backups, and address the offensive line with the saved cap room next offseason, taking us all the way to the Super Bowl. But when I look at Philbin's fish-like facial expression on the sideline, I don't see genius happening there, although giving credit where credit is due, his challenges were spot on.
     

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