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Panthers@Dolphins game thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Disgustipate, Nov 24, 2013.

  1. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, this game has certainly followed the script of so many other games this year. Miami gets up multiple scores on a quality opponent, then puts the game in cruise control or ****s the bed and can't pull it out in the end. It's long since stopped being a coincidence.

    Tannehill had a solid '13 Tannehill game. He didn't make any egregarious mistakes, had some nice plays, etc., but nothing phenomenal either. He's a pretty good young quarterback at this point, and we're not likely to see a leap forward this year. He's doing a much better job in the pocket, though, today is an example of what we should have been seeing more of all year. The guy has the instincts and escapability to make the offensive line much less of an issue than it is. He should be set loose in the backfield.

    Bad day from the rushing team, but then again, it's so mismanaged I'm not sure what the difference is. They ignore the hot hand they had in Daniel Thomas, even when Lamar Miller isn't working, and Mike Sherman disappears up his own ******* again with 13 carries to 42 pass attempts in a game you lead for all but 10 minutes. Nice to see Miller get some work as a checkdown, though.

    Mike Wallace I think today illustrated how his failures are multi-faceted- So many people have focused on "chemistry", and ignored how bad he is when you ask him to do something in the clutch. Despite the flashy numbers, he ****ed up in key situations when he could have won us the game.

    Hartline had a nice bounce back after a bad game last week, and Matthews I don't even remember besides the helmet to helmet hit that got picked up off the ground.

    The offensive line wasn't good, but it wasn't nightmare scenario either given the defensive matchup, and how keen Mike Sherman is on making sure opposing defenses know we're running 5-man protection schemes in passing situations.

    The defensive line for the most part played a hell of a game. They got tired towards the end, and let Cam Newton out a couple of times(Wake and Vernon specifically), but they really dominated up front for the most part., and it was all around.

    I don't know Jordan got snaps than he has, but the guy clearly has a lot of upside. He's still working to put it together, but when/if he does I think he'll be really good. I think I was most impressed by how blanketed he had Greg Olsen when Newton scrambled that side, stared him down, and had to throw it away. Again, Pandarilla is owed apologies I think.

    The linebackers didn't have too bad or too good a game today. I don't think I remember a lot of missed tackles except on Newton by edge rushers.

    Nolan Carroll played a really excellent game today, and I think he's really someone who gets unfairly maligned around here. He's had his growing pains, but he's also looked like a good starting corner at times. That interception was amazing, I was looking at that area of the field the entire play and it happened right in front of my section and it was still a "holy ****" type thing that he broke on the ball like that.

    What in the hell was that Reshad Jones personnel foul? I don't really see how he could have played that differently, you've got to make sure Newton went out of bounds and it's not like he hauled off and blasted him.

    Caleb Sturgis I think needs some competition in the off-season.

    Marcus Thigpen needs a replacement. He's been such a disappointment as a returner.
     
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  2. Ohio Fanatic

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    I can at least understand how the refs messed up that personal foul penalty at the end, in full speed it looked like a foul.
    outside of the running game, I thought we played well most everywhere.
     
  3. Rocky Raccoon

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    D-Pate, the voice of reason. I agree with all of this. I do think Vernon and Jordan had outstanding games. Good things coming from those two.
     
  4. DePhinistr8

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    Spot-on
     
  5. evz

    evz Feral Druid Club Member

    I don't understand the coaching at some key points in this game. The hail mary prevent at the end of the first quarter was really a bad call - basically handed them the field goal. The 53 yard field goal try I was yelling at them to punt. And the timeouts at the end of the game - instead of forcing them to hurry and kick the FG we gave them time to regroup and score the TD... WTF?
     
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  6. Jakob

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    Knocking a QB down when he is out of bounds no matter how hard or soft is a foul. I'm all for rougher hits on a QB during a play but, I've seen too many QB's. Tear an acl on plays just like that. If that was tannehill it should of been the same call.
     
  7. Rocky Raccoon

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    No. Newton slipped. Jones didn't do anything wrong.
     
  8. Jakob

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    I've watched the replay 20 times from three different angles. He just happened to slip when jones put his hands on him?
     
  9. dolfan22

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    Slip sliding away , that was an awful call , I agree on protecting QB's but that was not the issue there. As mentioned he slipped on the different surface and to be honest you and your team got very lucky on that wrong call.
     
  10. Fin-Omenal

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    Yep Pete is right, we lost because of Mike Wallace.


    Lololololololol
     
  11. Rocky Raccoon

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    Jones is allowed to put his hands on him. He didn't shove him or tackle him. And everyone agreed on the broadcast.

    It wasn't why we lost though, so I don't really care.
     
  12. dolfan22

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    You need more than two replays to see it was when a coincidence? And the answer of course is , yes... put his hand on him , not pushed him ... and as the announcers said Jones looked to be trying to hold him up much more than he was pushing him . Terrible call , but hey we are used to that.
     
  13. Jakob

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    Im sure the Miami dolphins announcers agreed. The fox announcers had no problem with it.
     
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  15. dolfan22

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    They actually thought it was a bogus call , so what exactly do you mean they had no problem with it?
     
  16. Rocky Raccoon

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    What? The FOX announcers and Mike Pereira said it was a bad call.
     
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  17. Jakob

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    The only time mike pereira was on my tv was when he said he refs made the right call on the no helmet to helmet.
     
  18. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Cam made a good flop on that play. Jones put his hands on him as he was going through the motions, Cam flopped, got the flag, and smiled ear to ear. It was a good play by Cam because he capitalized on how flag happy the officials are with those sort of calls in today's NFL.
     
  19. Ludacris

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    Again... Now I understand the issues with refs and I think they are valid. I also see that the defense is a good one that tries to put the team in position to win. Carroll probably had his best game of his career. He's stepped up, an up and down season but overall a decent one.

    Now the offense consistently cannot move the chains when they really need to. The second half is usually the worse at moving the ball than the first half. I don't know if it's Sherman or Tannehill or the WRs or OL but they need to get their asses in gear. They need more intensity and urgency in the second half. 4/16 (25%) on third down conversion is piss poor effort. They are 35% on the season, 8th last in the league.

    I also understand that Wallace got paid a tonne of money and there is a lot of focus on him but the the offense in general is a problem. They bought top dollar for a thoroughbred so they need to use him as a track horse. He's not a plow horse. Thomas got hurt but I'm not sure how bad it is...Miller needs to stop running backwards but it was nice to see Tannehill finally noticing him on the outlet pass.

    Special teams was not special. Sturgis is starting to infuriate me. Thigpen wasn't running well but he also didn't get a lot of blocking in front of him either.
     
  20. brandon27

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    That was a soccer play from Newton pal. He was touched, that's all, slipped on the plastic on the field and did a nice acting job.
     
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  21. dolfan22

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    So you did watch the game and did hear when they thought it was less than a ticky tacky call then?

    The refs to be fair likely were not watching his footing which was the sole cause of the tumble , not the soft touch .
     
  22. Ludacris

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  23. dolfan22

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    IMO I don't think Cam flopped , I really think it simply was a footing issue.

    Sucks for us but there were other more important factors as to why we lost , again .
     
  24. djphinfan

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    my take on Tannehill..we saw some early anticipation of the rush and movement in the 2nd half and fourth quarter, what he has to learn is to have this sense of urgency very early in the game, you must have your full arsenal at your disposal on the first drop of the game, you must work outside\in, this will soften the d up for the remaining part, that instinct was not the same in the first half, if it was he could of picked up some critical first downs and got us into better position for field goals..13 first downs total in the game tells me he's not instinctively understanding this very salient point..like you said he played pretty well considering he has no oline and a below average running back unit..but don't settle man, be great, take matters into your own hands because if this staff has told him they want him to not bail at all costs thay should be brought up on charges, he damn well better be "let loose" from the pocket with that protection, if not then he should do it himself, just do it from the onset...If im being critical of him relative to a franchise qb, THAT would be my biggest one at this point..set the tone of the game, from the beginning, with your legs, it will help your pass rush, and make the secondary players and backers think. This would also allow tannehim to sustain more drives, less three and outs, and give our defense more rest..so far he's not doing it, and its backfiring later..

    im rewatching the game..perfect example of what im saying...The int on the fist drive..he had no right to throw that ball to hartline when he had a very clear large lane to the right sideline, he could of turned on those jets and ran for a big gain..real big..instead he forces the throw and he guessed where his receiver was going to be, hart was covered so he stopped to juke and ryan threw to where he thought Hart was gonna be..it was a bad decision on two counts, he had an opputunity to set the tone..

    I saw real coaching mistakes Pate..the scheme calls before the half by coyle were imo at fault for the 3 points given, strictly based on scheme..I saw an underutilization of Jordan once again, oo many times on the sideline for 2nd and third and long..also rarely a spy package by coyle..his idea was to have his two backers do some spying, well, newton eventually became the leading rusher, 8 carries for close to 60 yards..so it didn't fuKJin work know what im sayin!!!I can cover the same space with one player as he did with two and i'll take my chances dion doesn't give up 8 yards a carry...damn it..his plan didn't work, newton sucks from the pocket, he beats you with critical situational runs, and dion did not have that chance to showcase...its a shame..

    said it the moment rivera knew he was goin for it..call timeout..their players knew they were gonna go for it when the drive started, our players thought they won the game on third down...our players should of been prepared for that gamble by him, and they weren't...

    the complete lack of vision to know when a player is maxed out and hurting your ballclub..The fact that thigpen is not only our only returner but our 3rd string running back is completely maddening to me and very poorvision by the coaches and Gm, I can show you posts when he first lost it and became hesitant on all kickoffs and returns..it was 5 weeks ago,h'es skittish in the mind and to a returner he might as well be a horse with a broken leg.

    I see a team with deficiencies in their units that are just too much..

    running back unit from top to bottom is poor.

    oline unit is poor, and has no depth players who have upside.

    no one besises Matthews can get any yac in the receiving unit..


    no one in the running back unit can get yac.

    safeties do not make plays on ball.

    field goal kicker has a demon

    return unit is poor.

    this is irleands third year imo with no excuses..

    this team has to win at least 3 out of the next 5.
     
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  25. brandon27

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    Then you're either drunk, or stupid. Pereira clearly said they should have called the penalty on the play, and not picked up the flags. I think its the later...
     
  26. invid

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    It was both. I was complimenting Cam, not making excuses as to why we lost. It was a smart play by him.
     
  27. djphinfan

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    the only td of the game to wallace was very nice play by ryan, he's running right, he squared his body, took an angle while he was rolling out that trajected him to the los, and launched that sucker nicely...theres only a handful of qbs that can make that throw, and these are the things we have been clamoring for since week one..moving the pocket to take full advantage of the dexterity of our qb.

    Dion Jordan needs to be an outside linebacker fulltime..his rush moves at dend are just limited..he's just a much better all around movement player...when he pass rushes he's so consumed on what the qb is doing he forgets that h'es engaged, and just drifts.

    the two plays after the 2nd bomb to Wallace..quick throw where there was a miss communication to Matthews, 2nd time ive seen ryan blindly throwing to a spot..he rushed it..then on 3rd and 5 he throws the out to thigpen for 3 yards..he cannot assume these guys are gonna make yac for him when they cant, give up on it ryan, and go past the sticks, if their training you to just be a distributor their idiots, our skill players do not possess those specific make you miss skills..improve your ypa.


    cut thigpen, sign leon Washington..sticking with him is asinine.
     
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  28. djphinfan

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    Tannehill trusting the call from the sideline on 2nd and two...a wide receiver screen 5 yards behind the Los...

    I would say that calling a wide receiver screen on 2nd and 2 where it take your guy behind the Los is a Bad call no?
     
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  29. djphinfan

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    Said this in the game thread, if wheeler doesn't tip that ball down by the Carolina goalline, it was 6 points going the other way..omgoodness.

    That guy is not very good from the pocket..
     
  30. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I don't understand these running concepts at all. The off-side linemen are not going down field. Instead, they seem to be driving extra traffic into the point of attack. If you're going to do that the RB needs to be looking for a cut back lane and go 1-on-1 with the OLB.

    Like what I'm seeing from Tannehill. He's clearly developing.
     
  31. RoninFin4

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    The sooner the full clearing of the decks happens, the better. I think the priority at this point is to keep Ryan Tannehill healthy for the remainder of the season and get him an actual QB Coach for next year. I'm pretty much numb to both wins and losses at this point so I'm not sure I'll do a 5-6 Thoughts thread. I agree with a lot of what Disgustipate and DJ have said. Just some quick thoughts for now:

    - Ryan Tannehill played pretty well today. I hold out hope that he'll continue to improve the remainder of this season and I think he'll be pretty good next year with a new offense and an actual running game to rely on. I think he would benefit from having a legitimate threat in play-action and being utilized on rollouts/bootlegs.
    - Nice hands from Lamar Miller today. He didn't have much room on the ground.
    - Was there an update on Daniel Thomas' injury?
    - Mike Wallace probably goes down as the worst free agent signing in Dolphins history. Just calling it now.
    - I was impressed by the OL's pass-pro today; I was expecting worse.
    - The front 7 was pretty impressive today. Wake, Vernon, and Jordan all had some fantastic efforts in pass-rush. Run-stopping was better than usual.
    - Nolan Carroll played his best game as a Dolphin today, IMO.
    - Caleb Sturgis might be one and done as a Dolphin. Wouldn't have guessed that during the 3-0 start.
    - The coaching staff as a whole is pretty bad. Kacy Rodgers is about the only one worth his salt. It won't surprise me one bit when a new staff comes in and Miami turns into a playoff team next year.
     
  32. dolfan22

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    I didn't take it as you were saying it was a negative to him , honestly I don't think he flopped trying to draw a call ( which would be fine to do in that situation imo ) I simply think it was a footing issue that caused the tumble. No more , no less.
     
  33. Rocky Raccoon

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    You don't like the coaching staff, so I don't expect to change your mind, but if we even had a DECENT offensive line, we're a playoff team this year.

    This isn't the greatest coaching staff in the world, but with a better offensive line? Yeah, we're definitely a playoff team.
     
  34. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Take off your homer glasses, it's much clearer. Trust me.
     
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  35. RoninFin4

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    I disagree, I think that's trying to put lipstick on a pig. The defense has underachieved all year; and they crumbled today. The special teams has collapsed. The offense can't score points. It's not just the O-line, it's everything. From overall talent to a lack of depth this team is closer to 3-8 than it is to 8-3. Good teams don't come off bye weeks and lose to teams like Buffalo, or blow 13, 14, and 17 point leads with regularity and win. The issues on this team are far more than most care to take notice of; the O-line excuse is just that, an excuse.
     
  36. Anonymous

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    I think the defense is playing much better and I don't expect Coyle to go anywhere, personally. Offensively, Sherman should be gone.
     
  37. RoninFin4

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    That's my fear if Philbin is retained; he won't have the stomach to rid himself of Sherman and Coyle. They ALL need to go.
     
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    I don't agree. I would keep Coyle and fire Sherman. I don't see a problem with Coyle.

    Also I think he would fire Sherman.
     
  39. Rocky Raccoon

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    I agree with this. I'd fire Turner and Taylor too. I think Taylor could make a real good coach one day, but right now I think Tannehill needs a QB coach who is seasoned.

    AKA, Chad Pennington.
     
  40. RoninFin4

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    The problem with Coyle is that he doesn't adapt his scheme to the personnel he has at hand; he's been slow to adapt/adjust in-game all year. In two years, his defense's have gotten worse than what Mike Nolan fielded in 2011 in just about every category. There's too much talent for the defense to be under-performing the way it has all year. I mean, just look at the last drive today. That shouldn't happen. Ever.
     

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