http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rutgers-player-quits-coachs-verbal-165833561--ncaaf.html Rutgers' DB quits because of coach's "bullying". That's going to be the term used going forward when a player gets his tail chewed out. Pandora's box has been opened because the Dolphins couldn't keep this in house. I'm sure there will be sweeping legislation at the NFL and NCAA levels now.
If the Rutgers kids allegations are true it is abohrent behavior by the coach. Apparently the coach screamed at him and head butted him at Study Hall. Not practice. And by the way, the minute you go from yelling to physical altercation you cross a line. No coach at any level should put his hands or his head in this case on a player
Still....think about it. Coaches yell...they curse. So..now...all someone has to do is say....he cursed and yelled at me...that's bullying. Totally agree with KB. Your gonna see a rash of lawsuits by Lawyers now....seeing an opportunity before legislation sets parameters. The problem is.....what is bullying? Theres not set definition....
The matter happened in study hall in front of an academic advisor, who reported the matter, not the player. The head coach then acknowledged it was wrong, disciplined the assistant and apologized to the player. Maybe the player doesn't want to return but that's his choice. You can call it bullying or whatever else you want but it seems everyone in agreement that the assistant was wrong.
This incident occurred during the Mike Rice saga which was roughly April of this year. The coach then continued to treat the player "unfairly" which is why he quit. Marquess Wilson quit on Washington State due to supposed mistreatment. AJ Barker quit Minnesota due to alleged verbal abuse and unfair treatment by Jerry Kill. There was the entire saga with Adam James and Mike Leach. And of course the aforementioned Mike Rice problems at Rutgers. I think any link to the Dolphins/Martin is tenuous as best and potential 'sweeping changes' to the NCAA and NFL are likely overstated. This stuff isn't new.
Maybe that style of coaching going by the wayside is ... not a bad thing? I mean some general yelling is to be expected, but I think it is very easy to go overboard, especially below the pro level where people aren't getting paid to take it.
It's one thing to get yelled at during a practice or game in the heat if the moment. It's quite another for it to happen in study hall in front of people not on the team. And the whole red faced screaming coach thing is done. It's stupid. You can be intense and passionate without being an ***
Let's just make skirts a requirement at the college level like they already do with NFL QBs and WRs. It's a brutal sport. And I like it. These kids need to man up already. The woosification of the USA sickens me...
I coach youth baseball (16 year olds now). Have had to core of my team together since they were 12… I am a yeller… My kids dont like it but they also know I have their backs… I have a had a few families leave over the years but the ones that have stuck around love me… Is that style of coaching going by the way side? I think so, America is turning into a nation of sissy lala's
If this sort of thing had been around back in the 50 and 60's, Bear Bryant would have been kicked out of coaching...
I can deal with physical mistakes… just not mental or lack of hustle. You know… hit and run and one of the two doesnt do what they are suppose to do… or a squeeze play where the hitter doesnt bunt...
I just disagree with yelling in baseball. You think that your yelling makes that hitter understand better that he missed a sign, more then just telling him he missed it and going through the signs again? Baseball isn't a game of constant intensity like football.
I have been doing this for a while (17 years or so) and it works for me and my team. It may not make them understand the signs any better (I have 5 and I have not changed them the entire time the team has been together) but it will make them pay attention. Baseball is a mental game as much as is it physical. You have to think before every pitch about the situation and what you are going to do if or when the ball is put into play. And let me clarify if I may, I am not out there yelling every time a player makes a mistake. My route normally is (in a normal voice): 1. Did you see the play? 2. Why did you not execute? Next time it happens (in a more forceful manner) 1. DId you see the play? 2. If you cant run the plays we are asking you to run you are going to find yourself on the bench. As far as hustle goes no one gets a free pass there… you play hard or I am going to be in your ***... that is just me though…
The NCAA is a tyranny. Sometimes your dictator is benevolent, sometimes he isn't. There's some really demeaning conduct and treatment going on at the college level. I'm really disappointed by most of the posts in this thread. You guys don't see a difference between chewing a player out on the practice field or in the film room versus going to study hall to yell at him and physically threaten him in front of a group of non-football people? Really? No one had a problem with, say, how Mike Sherman chewed out Michael Egnew on Hard Knocks. That happens all the time. No problem. This Rutgers incident is not like that. It's amazing what people will accept because "it's football".
Reading that, its actually easy to interpret the natural vocal tone. As the script reaches the bolded part, its easy to interpret the decibels of that vocal tone, reflecting the more forceful manner.
He's not the first one, nor was Martin. I am sure you remember Marquess Wilson at Wash St last year. He was bullied by their jerk of a coach, and quit.
Kipling is my all time favorite poet by far. "NOW this is the law of the jungle, as old and as true as the sky, And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree trunk, the law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack..."
When I used to coach baseball, seems like ages ago now, I would yell, but generally only at umpires who were inconsistent in their calls. Nothing would get me more pissed off than an ump with a moving strike zone. If ya want to call mid shins a strike, fine, just do it all the time, or they were gonna hear about it from me.
Hustle is everything, can even forget mental errors if they go flat out hard all of the time. Funny story, in youth league Baseball, we had a sign for "swing at the first pitch" basically an arm rub, Coach was at third, gave the arm rub..."Ting" fouled it off. Then Coach gave what was supposed to be the next sign "take the pitch" but mixed in the arm rub "Ting" Fouled it off as I did not realize the "take the pitch" sign meant more than the "swing at the pitch" sign Wound up ripping a double down the 3rd base line..stole third, scored on a WP Coach asked me what the hell I was doing! "Coach, you gave me the arm rub, that meant swing right?"
Why in the hell would you have a "swing at the first pitch" sign. Other then a hit and run, that's a terrible idea.
WTF does that mean? OUR America is becoming a nation of whiny pu$sies. It's 100% true. So, how is this even up for debate?
Lol. Whatever. How about the lazy people get off of their sofa and get a job? I don't want MY tax $$$ going for their Obama Phone. Why exactly does EVERYONE "NEED" a cell phone again?