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Well, the precedent has been set.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KB21, Nov 16, 2013.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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  2. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If the Rutgers kids allegations are true it is abohrent behavior by the coach.

    Apparently the coach screamed at him and head butted him at Study Hall. Not practice.

    And by the way, the minute you go from yelling to physical altercation you cross a line. No coach at any level should put his hands or his head in this case on a player
     
  3. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Pretty sure the same thing happened to Marques Wilson during last year's Washington season.
     
  4. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Still....think about it.

    Coaches yell...they curse.

    So..now...all someone has to do is say....he cursed and yelled at me...that's bullying. Totally agree with KB. Your gonna see a rash of lawsuits by Lawyers now....seeing an opportunity before legislation sets parameters.

    The problem is.....what is bullying? Theres not set definition....
     
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  5. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The matter happened in study hall in front of an academic advisor, who reported the matter, not the player.

    The head coach then acknowledged it was wrong, disciplined the assistant and apologized to the player.

    Maybe the player doesn't want to return but that's his choice. You can call it bullying or whatever else you want but it seems everyone in agreement that the assistant was wrong.
     
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  6. NUGap

    NUGap Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This incident occurred during the Mike Rice saga which was roughly April of this year. The coach then continued to treat the player "unfairly" which is why he quit.

    Marquess Wilson quit on Washington State due to supposed mistreatment. AJ Barker quit Minnesota due to alleged verbal abuse and unfair treatment by Jerry Kill. There was the entire saga with Adam James and Mike Leach. And of course the aforementioned Mike Rice problems at Rutgers. I think any link to the Dolphins/Martin is tenuous as best and potential 'sweeping changes' to the NCAA and NFL are likely overstated. This stuff isn't new.
     
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  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Law of the Jungle baby
     
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  8. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Maybe that style of coaching going by the wayside is ... not a bad thing? I mean some general yelling is to be expected, but I think it is very easy to go overboard, especially below the pro level where people aren't getting paid to take it.
     
  9. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    Kids get yelled at in the youth leagues.
     
  10. PlanB

    PlanB New Member

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    Looks like J Martins Mom has created a new Niche for Lawyers
    ........
     
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  11. Ludacris

    Ludacris Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I wonder if Manny Wright can sue Saban retrospectively...
     
  12. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's one thing to get yelled at during a practice or game in the heat if the moment. It's quite another for it to happen in study hall in front of people not on the team.

    And the whole red faced screaming coach thing is done. It's stupid. You can be intense and passionate without being an ***
     
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  13. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Let's just make skirts a requirement at the college level like they already do with NFL QBs and WRs. It's a brutal sport. And I like it. These kids need to man up already. The woosification of the USA sickens me...
     
  14. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Stupid America....making a brother wait till his hottest cousin turns 18 to be legal. :pity:
     
  15. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I coach youth baseball (16 year olds now). Have had to core of my team together since they were 12… I am a yeller… My kids dont like it but they also know I have their backs… I have a had a few families leave over the years but the ones that have stuck around love me… :)

    Is that style of coaching going by the way side? I think so, America is turning into a nation of sissy lala's
     
  16. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    What good does yelling do within baseball? A game of failures?
     
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  17. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    If this sort of thing had been around back in the 50 and 60's, Bear Bryant would have been kicked out of coaching...
     
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  18. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    I bet Jim Leavitt is glad this didn't happen years ago.
     
  19. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I'm watching hockey and soccer only .
     
  20. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I can deal with physical mistakes… just not mental or lack of hustle. You know… hit and run and one of the two doesnt do what they are suppose to do… or a squeeze play where the hitter doesnt bunt...
     
  21. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    How does Red Beaulieu from University of Louisiana still have his job after bullying the waterboy?
     
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  22. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    I just disagree with yelling in baseball. You think that your yelling makes that hitter understand better that he missed a sign, more then just telling him he missed it and going through the signs again? Baseball isn't a game of constant intensity like football.
     
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  23. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I have been doing this for a while (17 years or so) and it works for me and my team. It may not make them understand the signs any better (I have 5 and I have not changed them the entire time the team has been together) but it will make them pay attention. Baseball is a mental game as much as is it physical. You have to think before every pitch about the situation and what you are going to do if or when the ball is put into play.

    And let me clarify if I may, I am not out there yelling every time a player makes a mistake. My route normally is (in a normal voice):

    1. Did you see the play?
    2. Why did you not execute?

    Next time it happens (in a more forceful manner)

    1. DId you see the play?
    2. If you cant run the plays we are asking you to run you are going to find yourself on the bench.

    As far as hustle goes no one gets a free pass there… you play hard or I am going to be in your ***...

    that is just me though… :)
     
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  24. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    West Virginia should secede.
     
  25. Desides

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    The NCAA is a tyranny. Sometimes your dictator is benevolent, sometimes he isn't. There's some really demeaning conduct and treatment going on at the college level.

    I'm really disappointed by most of the posts in this thread. You guys don't see a difference between chewing a player out on the practice field or in the film room versus going to study hall to yell at him and physically threaten him in front of a group of non-football people? Really? No one had a problem with, say, how Mike Sherman chewed out Michael Egnew on Hard Knocks. That happens all the time. No problem. This Rutgers incident is not like that.

    It's amazing what people will accept because "it's football".
     
  26. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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  27. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And your grounds for talking about these people is what, exactly?

    What have you done?
     
  28. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Thank you!
     
  29. Califin

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    Reading that, its actually easy to interpret the natural vocal tone. As the script reaches the bolded part, its easy to interpret the decibels of that vocal tone, reflecting the more forceful manner.
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He's not the first one, nor was Martin. I am sure you remember Marquess Wilson at Wash St last year. He was bullied by their jerk of a coach, and quit.
     
  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Kipling is my all time favorite poet by far.

    "NOW this is the law of the jungle, as old and as true as the sky,
    And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.

    As the creeper that girdles the tree trunk, the law runneth forward and back;
    For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack..."
     
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  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    When I used to coach baseball, seems like ages ago now, I would yell, but generally only at umpires who were inconsistent in their calls. Nothing would get me more pissed off than an ump with a moving strike zone. If ya want to call mid shins a strike, fine, just do it all the time, or they were gonna hear about it from me.
     
  33. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Hustle is everything, can even forget mental errors if they go flat out hard all of the time.

    Funny story, in youth league Baseball, we had a sign for "swing at the first pitch" basically an arm rub, Coach was at third, gave the arm rub..."Ting" fouled it off.

    Then Coach gave what was supposed to be the next sign "take the pitch" but mixed in the arm rub

    "Ting"

    Fouled it off as I did not realize the "take the pitch" sign meant more than the "swing at the pitch" sign

    Wound up ripping a double down the 3rd base line..stole third, scored on a WP

    Coach asked me what the hell I was doing!


    "Coach, you gave me the arm rub, that meant swing right?"

    :lol:
     
  34. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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  35. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    Bully
     
  36. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Why in the hell would you have a "swing at the first pitch" sign. Other then a hit and run, that's a terrible idea.
     
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  37. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    hostile workplace lawsuits have been around for a while. so no.
     
  38. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    dude...........he watches it on tv. Don't you know. he feels their pain bro.
     
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  39. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    WTF does that mean? OUR America is becoming a nation of whiny pu$sies. It's 100% true. So, how is this even up for debate?
     
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  40. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Lol. Whatever. How about the lazy people get off of their sofa and get a job? I don't want MY tax $$$ going for their Obama Phone. Why exactly does EVERYONE "NEED" a cell phone again?
     

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