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Kevin Coyle states Dion Jordan struggling.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phinatic74, Nov 15, 2013.

  1. Phinatic74

    Phinatic74 New Member

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    See more at: http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...on-jordan-the-remainder-of-the-season-wpoll/I

    still don't understand Tannehills throws of 10+ yards being under 50%, why does he lack accuracy at that distance. 21+ every QB has similar numbers comp % unless your name is Nick Foles. But it's that 11-20 area Tannehill needs to improve, and get into that 50-54% range, I don't expect Rodgers or Luck-like 58% from that range but you can't win throwing 44-48% from 11-20, he HAS to show improvement by end of season or else next season may also be very long. Can it be coaching, thus precipitating a coaching change?
     
  2. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Things that are easier to read than this:

    Women
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    The concept of illiteracy
     
  3. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I'm waiting for the follow up piece: "Kevin Coyle states that Kevin Coyle is struggling"
     
  4. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dude...no freakin WAY...are you gonna get someone to read that.
     
  5. The Rev

    The Rev Totus Tuus Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box Club Member

    Cut it down a bit but still should not be posting full articles.
     
  6. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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  7. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    Some guys perform with the lights on, wish they'd just start the kid and let him ****ing play. I hate this babying stuff.
     
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  8. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    The way things are going, the staff will be cleared soon enough, and maybe we'll get a staff that doesn't turtle and play risk averse.
     
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  9. anlgp

    anlgp ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A

    I don't think #3 overall picks, especially picks that were traded up for, should be taken out of the game. The player was traded up to get and drafted at #3. That shows that they thought he was football-worthy enough to A) trade up to get him and B) take him high in the 1st round. Neither of those two things suggest that he should be taken off the field during run downs struggling or not. He's the #3 pick. Let him struggle if he struggles. Find out exactly what, when, how, why he struggles and correct in the off-season. Get your trade value worth. Get your #3 pick overall worth. If he can't play due to legit reasons (injury etc) then yes keep him out for long term, but don't take the guy out on run downs because he "can't play the run". He won't improve otherwise IMO.

    The best experience is practical experience.
     
  10. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    IMO one of the failings of this coaching staff has been their failure trust the young guys. I think they trust the system over the players too much. You have to have a sound system, but in the NFL you also need to get plays from your playmakers. You can't expect to just out-scheme people and win. That's what made the Steelers and Ravens defenses so good. They had sound systems, but they also let their playmakers use their instincts. It's the same on offense. Yes, RT has to be able to get the ball out on time the majority of the time, but in key situations he has to trust his own athleticism. He has to try to extend the play. That's how great QBs make their OL and WRs look better than they are. My impression is that they don't give RT the freedom to do that.
     
  11. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Honestly, I think the guy is not 100%, and instead of just admitting that they drafted a player who was too injured to make much of an impact in his first year, they are simply using some practice issues they have seen to bury him on the bench. This is Miami's archaic media policies and injury reporting policies at play here.

    Dion Jordan's run stop percentage is 5%. Cameron Wake's is 5%. Olivier Vernon's is 3.9%. Vernon's overall run defense grade is -1.4. Dion Jordan's is only -0.5.

    It's a small sample size, but if that small sample size is any indication of future outcomes, then Dion Jordan is ALREADY a better run defender than Olivier Vernon, yet they continue to play Vernon.

    The other problem with this theory that Jordan isn't playing more because he isn't a great run defender is this. The biggest single contributing factor to wins and losses in the NFL is your pass efficiency differential, and from a defensive standpoint, you effect the oppositions pass efficiency by pressuring the quarterback and forcing turnovers. Joe Philbin knows this, because the first thing he talked about when he got this job was how he really looked at pass efficiency differential. It's why this team is a heavy blitz team, even though the timing of those blitzes are off at times.

    Really, the only thing that makes sense to me is that he is getting limited snaps because he is hurt, and they don't want him to become "more hurt".
     
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  12. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Hit the nail on the head, from my pov Philbin and Co run very complex schemes that are difficult for rookies to learn, rather than simplify them, they simply go with Vets who may not have the physical ability but do know the System.

    I see Dallas Thomas and have to seriously ask myself if he could possibly be worse than Tyson Clabo, objectively I don't see how that could be possible, a shopping cart would be more effective then the worst RT in the league, and yet Clabo will march out on Sunday, Thomas will ride the pine pony.

    It makes zero sense unless it just boils down to a "trust the System" over a "trust the more physically talented player".

    As for Jordan, it would be difficult for me to believe he would not be more effective than Wheeler on every down, and be less effective than say Shelby on obvious passing downs, yet the Staff just does not trust him.
     
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  13. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Isn't this the same old article explaining why Dion only played so few snaps Monday, reassuring us that it wasn't his fault?
     
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  14. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    The really fun part is when we go to something like 4-8 and all hope is lost and they still won't play the rookies.
     
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  15. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Geeze poco... these coaches have policies about playing rookies, dammit. You can't expect them to just start doing things differently cause we're losing. Gah... that's just craaaazieee. And they can't all surprise the coaching staff like Matthews did. Sherman proly thinks that was a fluke. :shifty:
     
  16. PHINANALYST

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    i don't take it as an issue of 'trust' per se ... i see it mostly an issue of strength - and we new that Jordan had to get stronger, but couldn't this year. Next year, i see him more of the JT style player on the field almost on all snaps and much stronger.

    yes, i do remember that JT was terrible against the run, really for most - if not all of his career .... but if we have players that can stand up against the run better -- why would we run him out there.

    we KNEW from the draft that both Jordan and Thomas were coming off injury and would need the next offseason to get stronger.

    my problem with Croyle and our defense is that Carroll is still on this team ... could add Wilson as well - but he at least does contribute here and there, but they both just have not developed and need to go. Taylor or Davis can't do any worse .... catches were being made on Taylor, but he wasn't getting burned - he was there and they were just nice throws for the most part ....
     
  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i agree..

    In the Cleveland game he reinjured that shoulder bad...I watched the play 10 times, I watched his reaction, the body, and the way he babied it..I don't think it was a stinger like some suggested, I think there is a real problem there..I hope the kid is gonna be alright, hope this offseason he gets it fixed again.
     
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  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yes....
     
  19. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    It is an inaccurate statement to say that Carroll shouldn't still be on this team. He has overall played very well, especially when he gets to play in the nickle back role. He gets exploited some as a starter at times, but for the most part, he has had a career year to this point. I think the issue with Jamar Taylor and Will Davis is that they simply aren't as good as the three guys in front of them right now.

    Consider this. There are 60 starting corner backs in the NFL. Miami currently has three corners rated in the top 45 of all corners in the NFL overall and 4 in the top 40 relative to coverage. Nolan Carroll is also 29th among corners in opposing QB rating in his coverage area. I'm not trying to say our coaching staff is making all the right decisions here, but the only reason one continues to criticize Nolan Carroll for his play this year is because he is has been so poor in previous seasons that you have not let go of that despite the fact that he has made monumental improvement this year.

    I don't get the feeling that Miami fans really understand just how good Dimitri Patterson has been this year either. If that guy could stay healthy, Miami's likely got two top 10 corners in the entire NFL.
     
  20. PlanB

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    Welcome to the New NFL courtesy of J. Martn and his Lawyer mom..............
     
  21. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    totally unrelated issues, totally.
     
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  22. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Two great points there!

    Patterson has been lights out on the field. Him and Grimes are cat-like quick when the ball is coming to their area.
     
  23. sports24/7

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    What's interesting to me is Coyle's Xs and Os are very good IMO. I think he game plans well, and I think he makes good adjustments. He puts the defense in a position to win. However, I really don't get some of his personnel decisions. The Jordan thing really just makes you scratch your head. Maybe he's not doing a whole lot in practice, but he looks pretty darned good in his brief game time. Jason Trusnik's playing time is the most befuddling to me though. This guy is awful. I realize the Dolphins don't have a ton of LB depth, and they have had to deal with injuries, but there's no reason he should be playing as much as he has. I think even as a rookie, Jelani Jenkins is a better player. Heck, I thought Lee Robinson looked better in preseason than Trusnik. My last gripe is not as big as the others, but when you hear about Will Davis making plays all over camp, then he makes plays in the preseason, yet despite the Dolphins being paper thin at CB, he has yet to see the field at all this season.
     
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  24. mcdave21

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    Lol!
     
  25. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    I must be weird, but I read it.

    Agree it's a text wall though. Could use some line breaks.
     
  26. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Agree.

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  27. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Then why the hell is he playing special teams?
     
  28. jpep13

    jpep13 Coach Of The Year Club Member

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    Dion should have been more involved this season especially the last few games. Clueless coaching or they still working him in slowly.
    Move up to draft him #2 play the guy.
     
  29. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    The shoulder injury was a set back, no doubt. He reagrivated it and it took longer to heal than projected. And it's hard to add strength, especially the type of strength you need as a DE with a shoulder injury. Dion was selected for the long term. And while you would have liked to have seen more production out of him in the short term, you can watch him and see what they like about him long term...
     
  30. mlb1399

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    I hope Dion can develop into a great player. I have to admit this is one of the most disappointing drafts in recent history.

    We had 5 draft picks in the first 3 rounds and 3 had limited to no impact and our 1st pick played sparingly. I can't imagine any team got less out of their draft than us.
     
  31. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    I'll have to do some digging, but outside of some of the worse teams in the league, I can't disagree.
     
  32. JMORGAN6977

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    And we keep wondering why players leave Miami and perform better.... Dansby had a career year in AZ before and after he was a Phin. Blame who you want it comes down to Wayne bailing and sticking us with an effin bag if dycks to run my favorite franchise into the ground. No wonder Florida does not want to spend the money on a new stadium for 2 real teams to play in it every 6 years. There would be a better chance Florida would build an Olympic village for a one time wonder than a stadium for the has been dolphins. Tb and jax will be relevant again before the phins :-(

    29 years of fan hood and heart and soul and belief in this franchise and I feel like someone just back handed me in the nuts yesterday. That was awful and no excuses. It's like we got a death sentence or something. Wtf!
     
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  33. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I've been there for the exact same amount of time. And I feel for ya brother. I remember being 7 and getting grounded after we lost the Super Bowl because I punched a wall. It's been nothing but heart break ever since.
     
  34. bigbry

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    Cant argue that either. Trade up to get an injured player, yeah its the coaches fault.
     
  35. VanDolPhan

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    Dansby got fat and lazy after his big contract. Now that he's just trying to hold a spot and get paid again he got himself back into shape and lost a bunch of weight.
     
  36. jdang307

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    Philbin's emotion?
     
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