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Barry Jackson sports buzz: new chatter says Dolphins knew about Martin's issues

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Nov 13, 2013.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The hospital system I work for has an Employee Assistance Program (EAP) that is set up so those employees who have to constantly deal with doctors like me and have emotional stress from it can go get assistance at The Beahavioral Health Center.

    I wonder if NFL teams have this type of assistance program in place? If not, I am curious if this incident is going to have the league mandate this type of EAP going foward?
     
  2. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Le Batard was unclear if he meant the South Florida facility or out in California.
     
  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    So what are the proper accommodations for a football player with depression?

    If Martin told Philbin he had a problem with the culture in the locker room, do the Dolphins have to provide an empty locker room for martin to be in by himself?
     
  4. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Didn't Martin go to the hospital after he left the facility and then go to California after his stay at the hospital?
     
  5. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I specifically heard that Philbin visited Martin at his hospital facility once he returned to South Florida from California.

    Either way none of this is relevant to the six days with which the NFL investigators have apparently concerned themselves.
     
  6. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    It's pretty clear to me that the leaks for Mort and La Canfora's reports were high ranking members of the league office. La Canfora wrote that the league office hopes that this serves as a wake up call to Ross while Mort said that the league office wants to help Ross re-organize and resurrect the team. Mort also kinda made fun of Ross on the Michael Kay show yesterday and I have a feeling that his perception of Ross being an absentee goof is shared by many around the league.
     
  7. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    http://nfllifeline.org/about/

     
  8. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    The league is essentially going to tell Ross that he needs to put someone in place that can run the day to day operations of the organization in his stead, and that's where the recent Dan Marino talk is going to come into play.
     
  9. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I gotta disagree there. If they knew..they should have had a support system in place for him. It would also seem very reasonable to me...having played sports..to know what happens in a locker room..and how that might affect Martin. Certainly...they wouldnt have in any way shape or form had someone toughen him up.

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  10. Fin D

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    Fine. Now, what if what they saw in the locker room was Martin laughing and joking around. participating and hanging out with his fellow linemen? Should they have known that was facade? Are we really requiring coaches and bosses to sit down and see through every employees' barriers?

    The logical conclusion of what people are *****ing about is mind numbing.

    Martin hid how he felt. It is not the coaches job or anyone else's to question the facade he knowingly put forward.
     
  11. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    If it is reported to Police that a person has attempted suicide the Police can have them detained on a 72 hour temporary committal as a threat to themselves or someone else. I handled a bunch of these in 35 years in Law Enforcement. It varies from state to state but I was an officer in South Carolina, Florida and Virginia and they are all very similar. In Florida its called the Baker Act.
     
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  12. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Le Batard is reporting three separate visits. I do think that's relevant, albeit after the fact.
     
  13. ckparrothead

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    I'm sure the Dolphins will say so. But I'm also sure the investigators are going to be more concerned with actions taken by the Dolphins before they knew an independent investigator was going to shove a microscope up their arse.
     
  14. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Just awful....
     
  15. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    How common is it for an NFL owner to live and work far away from the team he owns?

    It keeps being reported by the media that Steve Ross is considered by others in the NFL to basically be an absentee owner. Is that common? It could be that the NFL just disagrees with the manner which Steve Ross has set up his organization, to essentially have three (or now four?) heads that all report to a person...that isn't even there.
     
  16. ET7

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    Let me tell you guys something, whoever that has been in an actual locker room whether it was basketball in HS, or college or football, you very well know that almost EVERYTHING about one another. From who does what per minute at home to who hates who and who hit on whose girl. I mean EVERYTHING is out there in a locker room because its like having 25 brothers that hate each other or love each other and nothing is kept secret. You even know if anyones on anything. People that have been in this setting should be as positive as I am that there is no way on earth that Miami DID NOT know what was going on. tHERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH THAT THEY DIDN'T.

    I think the entire staff including that egg head Philibin should be fired because they all condoned this, and on top of that those actions they ALLOWED to occur have affected our season by losses, distractions, and a fan base that no longer wants to deal with this team.

    Whether Philibin is a sweet heart or the next mother teresa I don't really care, his *** should be gone. How many times will we allow people in this organization to mess up something BIG TIME before we finally let them go?

    I mean Fireland had 3 strikes and one of them being a big embarrassment to the organization with Dez Bryant. Now this? really? Ross loves Philibin? YOU THINK I GIVE A **** AS A FAN IF THEY ARE BEST FRIENDS FOR LIFE or not? Without fans you have no income you big eared ****, for once make a judgement call that is BUSINESS ORIENTATED and not based off your emotions.

    Ross lacks ethics and moral to the highest degree.
     
  17. VManis

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    You got me wondering from your previous post if teams have a Phychiatrist on staff and I found this:

    http://www.mdsports.net/docs/InPSYCH_Fall2012_v5.pdf
     
  18. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Which is why I say the NFL is going to want Ross to have someone who is in Miami as the "acting owner" so to speak. Not sure what the term I'm looking for with that is.
     
  19. Vertical Limit

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    It doesn't matter what the fans think whether Jonathan is right or wrong on how he brought this about, fact of the matter is listening to Ross' press conference it is pretty clear he is on Jonathan Martin's side. Ross will forever be a corporate guy that has thousands under his employee tree, and there has always been a code of conduct and it is something he will want even the locker room to follow.

    I honestly expect Jonathan Martin back in the Dolphins' active roster once he's "healed". I don't want him nor Incognito back but Ross will go for what he thinks looks best for his organization and inviting Incognito back to the team will definitely have more negatives than positives.
     
  20. Serpico Jones

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    Seems like that may have already happened. Reports are that CEO Tom Garfinkle is in Davie watching practice which is very unusual because the Dolphins have an abnormal policy put in place by Parcells that the business side is not allowed in Davie. Reportedly, Jeff Ireland hasn't been seen in Davie all week.
     
  21. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Consigliere?
     
  22. DrAstroZoom

    DrAstroZoom Canary in a Coal Mine Luxury Box

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    The sticky part of the ADA is that you have to be able to perform the duties your job calls for despite your disability for the reasonable accommodation requirement to kick in. If Martin's mental illness left him unable to play football, the ADA would not apply.
     
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  23. Stringer Bell

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    Very uncommon for an owner to be active in other businesses. Most of the owners are essentially "retired" so to speak. Big reason why it took so long for the NFL to even approve Ross to become an owner.

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  24. Serpico Jones

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    That's interesting.
     
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  26. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I have to attend a legal update seminar once a year and reasonable accommodation is always covered. Zoom has it right. The problem is "reasonable" accommodation can be very subjective. Better for employers to always err on the side of caution.
     
  27. DOLPHAN1

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    Disagree. not his responsibility to do that. suggest those things and offer access to what ever the organization has to use. his responsibility is then to report to position coaches and his superiors as well as Ireland. if Ireland did nothing to support this situation like, i don't know, bring in some solid help as backup/replacement then I'd say this falls on Ireland.
     
  28. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The core story has always, IMO, been about the Dolphins organization.
     
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  29. Dorfdad

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    and rightly so.. Listen I dont dislike Philbin I just think he's not the right man for this team going forward. I think we need to overhaul the coaching, GM and scouting teams blow it all up and get Cowher or Chuckie in here and let them shape the team.... We have to have someone with respectability cowher would bring that instantly.
     
  30. DOLPHAN1

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    yea and that is the frustrating thing. otherwise this would be a non issue and be handled behind closed doors and not in the media.
     
  31. ToddPhin

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    I know right. What is this, fourth grade we're talking about here? :lol:
     
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  32. Stringer Bell

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    If the NFL is going to push for anyone, its going to be Dawn Aponte, IMO. Very good chance that the next GM is reporting directly to her, not Ross.
     
  33. KB21

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    Unless Dawn is somehow implicated as part of this issue. Also, if Dawn is appointed, there is little chance that our media policies will change, and those need to change.

    The paradigm has to change though. The business side and football operations need to fall under one person, and at this point, that does not need to be Stephen Ross.
     
  34. Stringer Bell

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    I don't see how she could be implicated in this. I highly doubt she is actively speaking to players. Ultimately the choice on media policy isn't hers to make.

    I'm not sure that needs to be happen, but Aponte is more than qualified in both areas. Her skillset is extremely rare.
     
  35. Stringer Bell

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    I worked at Goldman when Ross was buying the team, and we actually did a lot of work in terms of due diligence for him. The NFL definitely does not like owners that are active in other businesses.
     
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  36. Serpico Jones

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    Armando Salguero reported that she was the one who put together the golf course cover up. Also if Ireland gets fired I would imagine a new GM will want his own front office people. I don't think she survives this.
     
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  37. KB21

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    As far as the media policies go, those were essentially set up by Bill Parcells when he came in, and Dawn Aponte is more of a Parcells acolyte than Jeff Ireland is at this point. I'm not real sure that by making Aponte the first female head of football operations in football that Miami regains any credibility.
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    How was there a cover up? The police report was public.
     
  39. Serpico Jones

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    It was made public now. It wasn't made public when it happened because the team, led by Aponte, paid the woman to go away and keep her mouth shut. I believe this is also a violation of the personal conduct policy.
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    She is a lawyer. She should be the person that handles the type of issues like the golf course one. I'm not sure that it could be described as a cover up, unless we get more details. She resolved the matter to the satisfaction of the parties involved. I'm not sure thats a negative. There have also been reports that they were close to cutting Incognito. That very well could have been something she pushed for. We don't know.

    I highly doubt either way that the GM is going to be deciding Aponte's fate. There is no way that an NFL GM is qualified enough to evaluate what Dawn Aponte does. She is heavily involved in finance, and a lot of what she does is something that the owner needs to be evaluating himself.
     
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