Well.....

You and me both man....you and me both...

I think what we see on this team is a lot of talent, juxtaposed by some truly awful players combined with poor preparation.

Of all the FA signings we had this year, I was probably most excited about Grimes and Wheeler. Grimes has been awesome. Wheeler might be the worst tackling LB I've ever seen.

 

I agree with your thoughts on Marino. He tried this a few years ago and it didn't turn out so well. I'm sure part of his reason for wanting to do it is that he sees the success Elway is having and still wants to compete with him. I just don't think he's a good fit.

It would be interesting to see someone like a Jason Taylor be added into the equation.

As for coaches, I want a Gruden, just not the one everyone else will mention. I think Jay Gruden should be investigated completely and thoroughly. I'm surprised that he hasn't been offered a head coaching position already.

 

I really wanted Philbin to be the guy, he is clearly a very intelligent guy with a good football mind but he just does not seem to be able to get the players fired up, he just seems to stand on the side of the field looking lost, you look at guys like sean payton on the sideline, looking active, calling plays, getting the players fired up looking like the heart of the team, we just don't see that with Philbin. He is clearly more suited to the OC role rather than being a 'leader'

 

You and I have basically disagreed on almost everything over the past few years. Yet after reading your comments here, I thought you were reading my mind. I am sure we will continue to disagree from time to time, but in regards to your comments above, I agree with you 100%. The world just flipped upside down when I made that statement. LOL.

 

LUL, Francis

 

Truer words have never been typed.

 

I'm with you on this one FinD, feel exactly the same. I've always been on the fence about Ireland, but have definitely stepped on to the "get him out of there" side now. I really thought Philbin was going to be our guy, and was sure last night was going to be the game where we came out fired up and showed the NFL what we're about...instead Philbin's hangdog sideline expression seems to have been taken on by the team.

There's no excuse for the way we came out after 11 days prep for this game, it's all on the coaches. I have no faith in Philbin, Sherman or Coyle now, and they should be gone with Ireland.

 

A lot of people still don't know what they're talking about, and I don't think Ireland getting fired inherently proves that they did. The idea that Ireland has done a horrible job of acquiring talent is still very wrong.

 

Don't jump on my Mike Shula train. I don't like agreeing with you.

 

You and I have gone after each other numerous times on this forum. Statements regarding each other have certainly not always been polite and have often been borderline inappropriate, by both of us. Yet I give you credit for coming on here and admitting you have been wrong in some of your assessments regarding the GM and the coaching staff. As you stated, not too many people are willing to come on here and admit they have been wrong.

 

Ugh fin... im with you, brother... this is it... considering ive had this game circled on my own calendar since preseason. Im still sick to my stomach... Ive been behind philbin 110% since the signing.. and like you, he was the coach I wanted out of our options available... but I just dont know anymore after last night. At this point I just want everything burned to the ground.. but I wouldnt be upset if philbin had a shot with a new staff and gm... although thats highly unlikely... Either way....We came out looking like a highschool team. We have talent in place to be a very good team. But alot of players and staff need to go. This just plain sucks and I hate that its come to this. And I have to lol @ the attacks on you. Heaven forbid you use logic in arguments on a forum board.

 

I agree with you Fin D. I have supported Ireland the whole time, but I think it's time to move on. For the record, I don't think this current off the field situation has anything to do with him, but he selected a guy that's not cut out for this sport. I think he has filled many holes on this team, but the OL is his biggest weakness. I still think Pouncey might be in some trouble with the Hernandez investigation.

Marino was a great player, but not a football mind. He needs to stay away. I think Gruden would be a good choice, but think Jay Gruden would be better. I wonder if Cower is fielding any looks, but think he wouldn't do as well as either Gruden.

For me last night, I was willing to let everyone go except:

Defense:
Grimes, R Jones, Starks, D Jordan, Shelby, Vernon, Carroll

Offense:
Tannehill, Gibson, Hartline, Matthews

ST:
Fields, Denney, Sturgis

Everyone else can get the f*** out. Especially the entire coaching staff. The coaches should have been pumping how the media said there were no leaders on this team and had the guys fired up and ready to come out and destroy TB. EPIC FAIL. Toss them all out.

 

Gruden sure seemed to be reminiscing when he talked about being a coach and dealing with the outside noise and pressure..Almost like he missed it. Would love him here in Miami.

 

I'm curious where you stand, in that case?

I'd say that Ireland didn't necessarily do a horrible job of acquiring talent...but I would say he's been horribly inconsistent in judging and acquiring talent. More importantly, I think we just lack a solid vision across the board. This team really doesn't seem to be anything. Perhaps you can blame that on the philosophy shift half way through the guys career, but I think thats a bit of a scapegoat effort as well. Across the board it seems like we just grasp at straws rather than finding players that fit into some kind of end goal.

As for the lack of game day identity...I'm not really sure if thats coaching or talent at the core...there was certainly a lot of that game last night that felt like nothing more than going through the motions. Maybe we need more patience, thats a completely fair sentiment...but we've been through it so many times and can see the signs early, patience feels impossible. I mean...if you know you dont like a girl, how long do you keep her around in hopes she becomes "the one"? Most that have been in the game for a while cut the losses as soon as possible. Is that a solid football philosophy? **** if I know...

 

All I know is Ireland had draft picks and $$$ in March, and what do we have to show for it? Either crappy talent, or badly coached talent, or a combo of the two. Fireland!

 

Well this is the worst kind of crow to be dining on.

FinD, will you kindly pass the gravy?

 

Really? Outside of striking gold on Wake(or was that Parcells), there is not much to write home about.

Half a decade spent under .500

Glaring problems at critical positions in today's NFL(o-line, WR,TE) and how many picks and millions did he dump into the line and WR position...just utterly whiffing at making a decent unit?

Not a single 2nd round pick has hit, and lord knows we've had a lot of them.

2 first round picks are no longer here.

And the icing? He embarrassed the front office on numerous occasions and acted unprofessionally and quite frankly, like and *******.

I fell hard into the Fireland side when we sent Sparano packing, but kept him. The house should've been cleaned back then. It's been more of the same sub .500 nonsense.

 

LMAO this is classic. People got ripped in this forum forever for saying ANYTHING wrong about Ireland. If we said one strand of ginger was outta place and we were horrible fans/stupid/low football knowledge/trolls/everyname in the book.

Now a regular poster known for his ireland ball swinging, admits he was wrong and noe wants a medal for it?

Lol "it took stones to admi t I'm wrong"

No that's a cop out. It takes "stones" to not call someone an idiot when they dont agree with your opinion. Especially thr jeff Ireland is a diety train of thought.

Lolol what a joke.

 

Jeff Ireland deserves to be fired because he hasn't been able to put together a coherent roster. Every year there is a unit that collapses, and the next year he's putting out fires, and there's too much reaction and not enough pro-active roster building. Combined with his accumulated negative public relations, and a terrible Mike Wallace decision.

I think he could be a quite good GM if he gets another chance and changes some things. I don't think he can stay here though, especially if he's indicted in the Incognito thing.

 

That's not really true at all. There's been quite a few high quality players.

Not Ireland.

Every year you're going to have holes, but I noted my problem with the nature of them.

Neither of these are good points. Most 1st round picks are only going to be here for their rookie contract, and it's not really a good standard of success. He's been above average on draft pick success rate, too.

 

Ireland might not have done a "horrible" job at acquiring talent, but he has done a poor job at it. The o-line alone is a complete debacle that has been dragged from years past and has been held with toothpick scaffolding and is finally imploding and dragging everyone down with it.

If with you're directing your statement towards people who huffed and puffed that Ireland was a "horrible" GM, then you have a point. But if your statement is to imply that Ireland is not an average at best, more likely a below average GM with baggage, then I have to strongly disagree.

 

How would Ireland be indicted in the Martin fiasco?

 

Well said my friend......

That being said, how does our 3rd overall pick have 11 ELEVEN tackles on the year, and it is Week 11.....??

 

I'd agree in general with this. Fin D, you tend to belittle those with whom you disagree, and in this case now with whom you agree.

That said, welcome aboard.

This is the core logic of the Fireland group. He doesn't manage the roster correctly. You claim that the Fireland people think Ireland hasn't added any talent, but that's false. We recognize that he has added individual players who are good, and maybe one or two who are great. The problem is that his misfires outweigh his successes, and his successes are not large or numerous enough to make a true impact on games. Basically, his successes are micro, not macro.

He also seems to believe in quick fixes. Mike Wallace was supposed to be the quick fix for the WR unit and the passing game. Ellerbe and Wheeler were supposed to be the quick fix for the pass rush. Bryant McKinnie was supposed to be the quick fix for the offensive line. Etc, etc.

Ireland can sit down, watch film on a player, and individually recognize if he is good or not good. He cannot assemble enough of those players through a coherent, planned, managed process. The former is the job of a scout, the latter is the job of a GM.

For all the ridicule the Fireland crowd gets—everything from lacking supporting detail to just preferring the GM be anyone but Jeff Ireland—they were fundamentally correct about Ireland's inability to do his current job. Let's lay off the "I agree with you but you're still stupid" crap.

 

I dont think hes done a horrible job of getting talent. I think we have some very good pieces to work with. But..something just isnt working. Theres something missing from our team..and to be honest, I dont know what it is.

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Dude this isn't a dick pulling I told you so competition okay? Just cool out with the rhetoric.....and that goes for everybody on here.....wtf difference does it make, are we really going to fight about this all week??

I am honestly sad, disappointed and overall just not in a great frame of mind about my football team right now (like really ****ing depressed), I dont know how to fix it, but I damn sure aren't looking at the pro-Ireland posters for blood.....I was with a bunch of fellas last night, 2 brothers that got fueled up and started fighting each other cuz the other one busted his godamn coffeetable after Wheeler turned into the loser he is...last night was very stressful......

I get nothing out of it....

 

Oh ok. Not selecting 1 good 2nd rounder isn't a good point? Rodger that.

And yeah, you're right, last 5 years? The pro bowl has been flooded with dolphin helmets(sigh).

Every retort was wrong.

 

There is a point to this.

We were wrong to want Irish fired when we did. And many of us are still wrong about it.


Yet...you were wrong?


Francis...do explain.

 

Isn't that banner flying overhead against SD this weekend?

Fire Ireland one?

 

So its ok to be bashed for weeks and weeks for speaking out against ireland. Yet now that EVERYONE wants ireland fired you want the posters who got **** on to say nothing? Not the ireland bashers are picking on the poor baby ireland a supporters? Lol come on dude

 

What. Difference. Does. It. Make?

 

Fin D has ripped me constantly over the past two years because of my comments regarding Ireland and the overall lack of talent on this roster. So it should be easy for me to now turn on him because his position regarding Ireland and the coaching staff is more in line with my feelings. That would be absurd on my part if I gloated over his change of position.

He is being man enough to admit that he now agrees with the majority of the individuals on this forum who want to see massive changes in the Dolphin organization. Instead of dwelling on my conflicts with Fin D in the past, I merely welcome his new insight regarding what needs to happen to turn this organization around.

I'm not sure what he took before going to sleep last night, but maybe all of us need some of it if we can't just get over past disagreements and instead look forward to what will hopefully be a brighter future for the Dolphins, once changes are implemented. Now we just need Ross to get on with the business of hiring the best individuals to turn this team into a SB contender.

 

Everyone here should respect the rules and not attack Fin D. Regardless of the user, and regardless of the outcome of last night's game we're all supposed to be better than quibbling. Be the bigger man (or woman).

 

Just because he has gotten SOME talent doesn't mean he didn't do a bad job of being a GM. Our OL is terrible. Awful. Obviously. Our line backing crew is awful. That was a terrible job by him. He had a couple above average guys and let them go for a crap ones.

His 2nd, 3rd, 3rd and 5th rounders were inactive yesterday. Week 10. His #3 pick isn't making enough plays to show why he was he #3. I don't care about one play a game. He's made about 4 plays all year. I don't care how limited his time is. The kicker he DRAFTED has been crap. That draft has been beyond terrible. His drafts so far since being 100% control has been average before this years.

His free agencies has been bad. This past off season no different. Bringing in talent is one thing. Bringing in the right talent, and better talent is the other thing. He's been pretty bad at that.