Opinion: Jeff Ireland Will Not Survive to 2014

Assembling this abomination of an offensive line is grounds for termination in my book. Pouncey is the only one worth a spit, as a player at least....

 

Exactly. Should have put I was being sarcastic.

 

Do you know who allowed the most sacks and QB hits last year? Should the GMs who put those line together be fired?

 

If that was the only thing Jeff Ireland had done poorly you might have a point.

 

No no I understood, you said it perfectly.

Please make another post about how Belichek should be fired for drafting a murderer, how Carroll should be fired for the PEDs scandal, Denver had two executives arrested for DUI plus Von Miller's suspension, Aldon Smith is in rehab and Ahmad Brooks cracked a teammate in the head with a bottle of liquour, Jacoby Jones was cracked in the head with a bottle by a stripper, Jovan Belcher killed his child's mother then drove to team HQ and blew his brains out.

Riley Cooper threatened to fight every N word in the building, which is kinda misleading considering he was at a country music concert. But whatever. It happened, on camera.

And Ireland won't survive the transcript of a maliciously edited series of voicemails?


That ain't analysis, it's wishful thinking.

 

I agree with CK....

Where Ireland is at fault IMO, besides some obvious issues with his performance as a GM, is that he had done a tremendous amount of research into drafting Jonathan Martin. From the cursery interviews we have seen from previous coaches, teammates, its clear..CLEAR Jonathan Martin was a different kind of football player. As a GM, you have to know this. You have to. The climate of an NFL lockerroom is way to important. I believe he should have had constant communication with Jonathan Martin and those around him since day 1. He chose to make Martin the starting LT this season, even when Martin's play last season indicated otherwise.

You have a plea from fans, and now from the NFL to return the Miami franchise back to its original stature as a premiere team in this league. To do this, you have to have some PR wins, and by far..BY FAR...the biggest and most immediate PR win this team gets, is by firing Jeff Ireland. Preferabley soon.

You can say nobody knew this was bothering Jonathan Martin. Well guess what, Jeff Ireland was paid alot of money TO KNOW. Thats his job, TO KNOW.

 

The Packers have looked awful without Rodgers.

The Colts spent a first round pick on Trent Richardson in the hopes he would boost their run game, instead TRich is hovering around 3 yards per carry with the occasional fumble mixed in. They're getting throttled at home by the Kellen Clemens led Rams right now, 38-6 last I checked.

All teams have multiple issues, even the "good" ones.

 

Now we should fire Ireland because it would be a good P.R. move???

 

The fan base would count it as a positive, yes.

 

The Arizona Cardinals. They also managed an amazing 63.1 QB rating while they were at it.

Actually, he was.

But in case you're referring to the Green Bay Packers (51 sacks allowed compared to Arizona's 58): Aaron Rodgers was sacked on every 11th pass play, on average. Ryan Tannehill is on pace to be sacked on every 8th. Call me a nitpicker, but I think a fresh set of downs between sacks make a pretty significant difference.

 

Speak for yourself.

I think we'd look like idiots for firing anyone over this Johnathon Martin bull****.

 

Is there any scenario under which you think the Dolphins would look good when firing him?

 

As I've said a million times if we finish the season like **** then be my guest in firing him.

 

We already do.

 

You already do what?

 

I guess it's settled then. We keep Ireland.

 

How much of that difference does Aaron Rodgers account for?

 

There is no cost in making such a prediction .

So do tell, CK, when Ireland survives, your penance shall be..what?

Pretend that this never happened, or will it be double down on things you not a damn thing about.

I ask b/c I'm curious, you've already been dead wrong in all of this, is one doubling down now.

 

Having Ireland as a gm another year would be penance enough.

 

Do we have Aaron Rodgers?

 

Ok, that's fair. But just to be hypothetical - Miami finishes 7-9 or worse. Do you still want Ireland to be GM of the team? I won't judge you no matter what the answer I'm just curious as to where the folks who don't yet want Ireland fired will stand if this team suffers another losing season.

 

Nope, in all of this, the one thing that stands out is there is no consequence for making outlandish predictions or prognostications.

 

The difference between 7-9 and, say, 10-6, usually comes down to a handful of favorable calls (or unfavorable ones, for that matter), a catch made or dropped, a block sustained or whiffed. Heck, if it wasn't for some blatant highway robbery in the NE and BAL games and a whiffed block in the BUF one, we might as well be 7-1 now. And if some things didn't fall our way in the first three weeks, we might be 2-6, too.

It's usually a bad idea to evaluate a GM based on a (single) season record. If we'd be 7-1 by now, no one would be calling for Ireland's head. And yet, we'd still have a lousy OL and too many rookies on the inactive list. If we'd be 2-6, on the other hand, pretty much everyone would be calling for Ireland's head. And yet, we'd still have a very promising young quarterback and a pretty scary DL.

 

It's a fan forum doe

 

I realize that I didn't list every HC in the history of the NFL who have turned a franchise around in two years or less. I was merely giving you an example of what I expect from a quality HC in the NFL.

As far as Sparano being compared to Ryan. While Sparano was the HC in 2008 and it was his first year as the HC, he was fortunate that he has a solid experienced QB for that team and Brady was hurt for the Patriots. Never the less, he did indeed lead the Dolphins to the playoffs in his first year as a HC. Ryan though, led his teams to the AFC championship games in each of his first two seasons as the head coach of the Jets. His QB was Mark Sanchez. So I really don't think there is any real comparison between the head coaching ability of Ryan and Sparano.

As I stated earlier, my problem isn't with Philbin, it's with Ireland. I just don't think he is a good NFL GM. His record as a GM over the past six years clearly shows that he needs to be replaced. The next GM should evaluate Philbin and the job he has done after two seasons. If the new GM wants to keep Philbin as the HC, I have no problem with that. If on the other hand, he wants to bring in his own HC, I have no problem with that either.

The real problem with the franchise is the overall lack of talent. That falls on Ireland and keeping him as the GM, only to ensure Philbin remains the HC beyond this season, makes no sense at all. If you want to see less and less fans in the stands for each Dolphin game, the one sure way for this to happen is for Ireland to be the GM in 2014.

 

It's called freedom of speech. It used to be pretty big.

 

7-9 would be tough to swallow but I'd rather cross that bridge when I get to it.

 

Back before the 2012 Draft, weren't some "gurus" around here stating both in print and on radio that we should take Brandon Weeden with the 8th pick in the draft? That's who we need to replace Ireland with.

 

You are correct, a GM should not be judged on the teams record for a single season. Of course no one is judging him on just one season. We are judging the job he has done as this teams GM for the past six years and the team has a sub 500 record over this six year period. Therefore it is time for him to be replaced.

As far as Tannehill being a promising young QB. Again you are correct, but Tannehill has not taken to giant leap forward that so many people predicted he would this year. He still hasn't proven he is the long term answer at the QB position for the Dolphins. It should be noted that Nick Foles was drafted in the third round of the 2012 draft by the Eagles. He has thrown only one less TD pass in the past two than Tannehill has thrown this entire season. Right now it appears that Tannehill might only be the 5th best QB taken in the 2012 draft.

I'll give Ireland credit for building a solid defensive line. Unfortunately, that is the only unit on the entire team which can be considered a quality unit. There are just far too many weaknesses on the other units on the defense and the offense and that is why this has been a mediocre team for so long.

 

Personally, I also question how Chris Grier, the Dolphins Director of College Scouting has survived without being replaced. He's been with the Dolphins for 14 years, 4 in this current position.

Many of the things we blame Ireland for in the way of poor draft picks are directly attributable to Grier's department. I can't say that I have been happy with the production, or lack thereof, from many of our draft picks once we get beyond round one.

 

Freedom of speech does not indemnify us from consequences for what we say.

What has become clear over this past week is the degree to which "reporters" will spout off with hardwired opinions when they possess only 30-40% of the facts. It's actually quite sad.

 

It still is. No one has been arrested for their texts in this situation.

You have the freedom of speech. You do not have the freedom of consequences from your speech.

 

I was never a Weedon fan, but if I remember correctly, the few Weeden supporters on this forum wanted the Dolphins to trade down and pick up more selections and possibly take Weeden in the later part of the first round or in the second round.

Many of those fans, including me, who didn't want the Dolphins to draft Tannehill in the first round, preferred that the Dolphins take someone like Kuchley with the eight pick and take Wilson in the second round.
There was far more support for taking Wilson in the second or third round than taking Weeden at all by most individuals on this forum.

Obviously the vast majority of the posters on this form were in the draft Tannehill with the 8th overall pick camp.

 

That is a fallacy. There was far more support in taking Wilson in the 4th or 5th round.

 

Ireland is his boss and has obviously not deemed it necessary to get rid of him. This is another reason Ireland and the entire scouting staff needs to be replaced.

 

IIRC, after his so so performance in the Senior Bowl game, most were off the Wilson bandwagon. Besides what I do clearly recall was that the chatter regarding Weeden was far greater than that regarding Wilson.

 

Perhaps you believed that, but most of the Wilson supporters on here never thought he would last until the fourth or fifth round. Obviously there were individuals on here who didn't even think Wilson would make it as an NFL QB and they were the posters who though he would only be worth a late round selection. I don't think even those of us who likes Wilson in the early rounds of the draft expected him to become the quality QB he has so quickly.

 

I never said you did. I merely reacted to the claim that a poster on an internet message board should somehow be held responsible for his predicitions beyond the obviously legitimate course of disagreeing with him.

 

Perhaps i remember that. Wilson supporters on here did think he would last until the fourth and fifth round. The Seahawks taking him in the 3rd was a surprise.

 

Yep, that's very true.
IMO, we got the second best QB in the draft behind Luck.