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Opinion: Jeff Ireland Will Not Survive to 2014

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ckparrothead, Nov 9, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    I wish he wouldnt survive 11/10/13
     
  3. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The thing that really gets in my head is why didn't he sign McKinnie earlier. It cost us, potentially, two games. Those 2 games and we are a game ahead, record-wise for the sixth seed and that much closer to the Patriots.

    So goddamn frustrating.
     
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  4. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Very well written article, CK. Nothing to add, you covered everything much more eloquently than I ever could. Glad to see Gil Brandt chiming in on the 2013 draft class. It's one thing that's really been glossed over about Ireland this year. To get so little contribution out of an entire draft class is pretty much unacceptable for a guy who has had so little success as an NFL GM.
     
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  5. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I think one game. I doubt very much the Ravens would have traded McKinnie to us in time to turn around and play him at left tackle in our game against them. But arguably, McKinnie could have been the margin that would have won us a very tight Bills game. It's arguable...but let's keep in mind that Jonathan Martin sucked as bad as Clabo in his one game at right tackle....so hard to say.
     
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  6. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I felt like I was only scratching the surface to be honest. But this is an article, not a doctoral dissertation.
     
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  7. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sorry, I forgot he was a trade and not a FA pickup.
     
  8. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Well, yes. To be honest I did notice you left out a proper analysis of Ireland's pasty white legs and failed to mention that he is, in fact, a nerdy ball boy ginger who lacks a soul.
     
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  9. RoninFin4

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    Great write up Chris. Would love to read more if this is just "scratching the surface". I thought the poll results were pretty telling within your article.
     
  10. Vendigo

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    People are going to point out that it's way too early to judge this class.

    In my experience, people saying that it was way too early to judge this class is pretty compelling evidence that the class sucks :shifty:
     
  11. P h i N s A N i T y

    P h i N s A N i T y My Porpoise in Life

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    He's been evaluated and retained the past two offseasons, I don't think they'll change their minds from what they've seen this season. It would have to involve a lot of dirty evidence against him they can't look past, for him to be canned IMO.
     
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  12. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Certainly possible. While I don't think he's been as bad as some believe... he hasn't exactly been awesome either. There is room for improvement. The question is, can we find someone better?

    My main concern about switching GMs is that a new one would want to bring in his own coach... and even more troubling would be the infamous "own QB". And I honestly believe we have ours that I want us to build around, and don't want to start over again.
     
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  13. Caps

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    I agree with you here, I think Russ Ball should be on the short list for this reason. This is assuming we don't finish under 500 though, in which case I think Philbin should go. I don't think there are any surefire franchise QB's on the market this year, so Tanny will get a full season to prove his stuff to a new staff.
     
  14. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    I just want stability around Tanny during his development. I don't want turnover in the coaching staff right now...
     
  15. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    Didn't Channing Crowder "retire" partially to avoid playing on a Jeff Ireland team?

    He was hardly an all-star but called out plays at middle linebacker and the defense suffered noticeably without him.

    Edit: Here it is.
     
  16. byroan

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    Wasn't he cut?

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  17. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    Yes, after getting a three year extension. He at least claimed that he'd never come back to a Jeff Ireland team if given the choice.

    Extensions are the kiss of death on this team. Jeff Ireland just received an extension.
     
  18. PlanB

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    The whole fiasco really is his fault when you think about it. He never should have drafted Martin.
     
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  20. GMJohnson

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    I'm pretty much indifferent about Jeff Ireland, there's no point forming an opinion with half the season remaining to be played.
     
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  21. slickj101

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    lol Oh really? Funny bc I heard a few people try to tell me the opposite the other day. Of course there were sources and no actual info but you get the idea.

    And are you really telling me that Jeff Ireland isn't a clinically certified psychologist? That right there should be grounds for stoning.
     
  22. slickj101

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    You get that logic out of here, sir.
     
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  23. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    And he let Yeremiah Bell go :cry:
     
  24. GMJohnson

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    I'm still pissed about how he never traded for Kyle Orton and failed to sign Matt Flynn.

    I mean, Ryan Mallett and Mark Ingram were sitting right there and Ireland took Mike Pouncey instead.

    I can't believe they haven't fired him by now.
     
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  25. slickj101

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    Don't remind me that still stings.
     
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  26. slickj101

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    [​IMG]
     
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  27. jim1

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    Very good article. I didn't realize that the Ricky Williams piece was from a radio interview- not only were his comments the most insightful, eloquent, rational and thought provoking as per the Martin/Incognito situation, he comments were spoken, live and on the fly as compared to the other more planned out written pieces from others. What athlete in recent years, or ever, is more eloquent than Ricky Williams? He was and still is one of my favorites, I'm always interested in what he has to say.
     
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  28. the 23rd

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    ckparrothead: I follow most of your posts/articles & enjoy them. with no disrespect intended, anyone that can read knows you don't like Jeff Ireland.
    having said that, I understand that the man has become a favorite target of many throughout the years of his engagement with the Dolphin organization. justly or unjustly it is what it is... very political & one more piece to the ugliness inflicted upon our franchise.
    I suspect you're right, he won't survive the fall-out nor will Incognito or will Jim Turner... in my unprofessional opinion
    more importantly however, I think the damage inflicted on the team will reach far beyond two or three heads rolling. it will be difficult to move ahead with the present regime & the possibility of the Ross ultimately unloading the franchise is a consideration after more than a decade of mostly negative experiences, controversy, a problematic fan-base & disappointment.

    may God bless Ricky Williams...
     
  29. Aquafin

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    there is one thing to think about and that is many former players and other personel across the league don't have any respect for Ireland so that right there should rase the big red flag.
     
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    To me Jake Long remains the template- he flat out said that the Dolphins didn't have a chance to resign him. Few if any players seem to like Ireland, Dawn Aponte seems straight up obnoxious and Philbin seems to have a DOA personality, he dumped the team leadership, created a void there and was not receptive to the leadership council requests by Jake Long. And he's an OL guy, look at the OL and mess created by dumping J Long and having no player leadership, ie Long, around to control Incognito.

    In other words, the Dolphins FO and coaches pretty much screwed the pooch as per the OL and team overall. Jake Long mentioned that he liked Jeff Fischer, made no mention of Philbin- to me that was telling and an intended omission. Ross should just clean house, get all of the bad mojo out of the building.
     
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  31. muscle979

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    Ireland's been on the job for almost six years now.
     
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    For some nothing will ever be enough to definitively say "Jeff Ireland just has not been that good of a GM." It's because of all the things you can't prove. Logic can point at a million things but there's always 'hey there's no proof!' You can't prove he made any personnel decisions while Parcells was here even though it was supposedly his job. You can't prove that coaches and free agents [Peyton Manning anyone?] have steered away from Miami because of his reputation. Therefore it's clearly not his fault.
     
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  33. pocoloco

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    I think letting Long go rather than raising the offer, and not giving McKinnie the two year contract he was looking for, forced coaches to shoehorn Martin into a tackle position when he wasn't good enough. Then he traded a draft pick of some sort for McKinnie (not sure what). That all contributed to this mess, though the remainder is not Ireland's fault.
     
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  34. CrunchTime

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    I thought it was a mistake to keep the rotten apple in the barrel .I hope we dont comit the same mistake again.
     
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    never ceases to amaze me the sense of entitlement & authority with which some people make inflammatory & inaccurate/incomplete statements... always easy to venture an opinion when you're not held responsible for its repercussions.
    the fact Ireland adjusted & survived this long under so much negativity speaks volumes. personally, I think he's doing an excellent job as GM of an organization under relentless seize, adversity & reconstruction over the last six years... I like the owner & Philbin. the only weakness I perceived early on was Turner as offensive line coach which I voiced a long time ago & continue to believe vehemently.
    I believe the team is very talented, young & has the potential to move forward, eventually, dominating the AFC, becoming a perennial force to be reckoned with in the NFL for many years to come... of course I am not a pundit just an ardent fan. but as a fellow-fan I ask of you, please don't contribute to the final destruction of the franchise with damaging, irresponsible opinions expressed as fact.

    17/10 Miami over Tampa:dolphin:

    I'll be there with my son & a friend. seats: section 100 row L seats 11,12,13. if you're going to the game stop by & say hello!
     
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    Just throwing this out there but, hypothetically, what transpires if we happen to make the playoffs and dare I say win a game?
     
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  37. MikeHoncho

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    Fire Ireland at that point

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  38. Bpk

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    Ireland would be fine as a scout.
     
  39. the 23rd

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    had a sergeant named Samora in boot-camp. the guy was the most outrageous, overbearing, miserable son of ***** & bully imaginable... everybody hated him!
    to my surprise one day, almost a year later in the middle of a combat operation in Vietnam I heard his voice booming over the noise & confusion of a fire fight "phuk up" what are you doing here? I embraced him & said "thank you Sarge." somewhere in the midst of that event was a lesson to be learned. I owe that ignorant spic bastard my life.
     
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    I agree the Ravens probably wouldn't have traded McKinnie any sooner than they did. Yet McKinnie was a free agent in the off season and Ireland decided to sign Clabo to play RT and to leave Martin as the LT, after Long decided to sign with the Rams. The decision to sign Clabo and not McKinnie in the off season is just another case of Ireland making the wrong personnel decision.

    He should have been fired along with Sparano in 2011. If he had been fired at that time, perhaps the Dolphins would be much further along in their rebuilding process than they are at this time. I hate to see what is happening with Martin and Incognito at this time, but if it leads to a major shake-up at the top of the Dolphins organization, something good might just come out of this mess after all.
     

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