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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by mcdave21, Nov 1, 2013.

  1. mcdave21

    mcdave21 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What a great win by team!! Exhilirating!! We needed this W for sure. Where do we go from here? I am happy tonight, but I saw so many concerning things tonight. Consider:

    Good
    The run game came to life for the second game in a row. The six man oline really opened things up for miller and thomas
    Lamar Miller looked great, outside of the fumble
    Wallace had a good game and drew the deep pi call in ot. 6 catches, around 86 yards
    Hartline continues to make the very tough catches when needed.
    Matthews had a couple of clutch catches
    Egnew had a strong game run blocking and a couple of rollout catches. Good to see
    Patterson and Grimes, both with picks.
    Grimes magnificent pick 6
    Dline with another mostly great game. Solai, wake, odrick, and starks were good tonight.
    The oline didnt completely get blown up as much as usual tonight in pass pro. Baby steps
    Clabo didn't get tannehill killed tonight.
    The D did an excellent job on the Bengals tight ends.
    Jason Trusnick played several snaps and did a fairly solid job.
    RJ Stanford played some snaps on defense late in the game and was mostly solid.
    The D caused 4 turnovers and scored 9 points including the game winner.

    Bad
    Sherman's playcalling continues to be baffling in critical situations. The six man oline was working wonderful in the first half. What happens in the second half? We don't run out of that formation again?
    Third and short in OT. DT gets stopped in the backfield. Why not qb sneak to get 6 inches with your 6-5 qb? Smh.
    Miller has almost 100 yards in the first half. They take him out after the fumble. SMH. In the 3rd quarter they run a sweep with DT for no gain. Why is Miller not in the game?The refs also had a couple of questionable ball placements tonight. Notably, on the 2nd down DT run in OT and the generous spot on the 4th down.
    The Dolphins D had absolutely awful tackling in this game. Especially in the 2nd half. This has to be corrected. The good news? The last time they had awful tackling, it was much better the next game.
    Phil Wheeler had an absolutely terrible game. He was missing tackles everywhere. Just awful to see. Ellerbe was mostly quiet. Misi looked to be hurt again.
    Reshad Jones continues to underwhelm and just simply not play well. His coverage was ok, but his tackling and lack of playmaking is now concerning.
    It is absolutely mind numbing to see this defense continuously give up 3rd and longs. And it doesn't matter the distance. 3rd and 10, 3rd and 8, 3rd and 16, 3rd and 198. It's something that Coyle absolutely has to fix this. It's maddening!!
    Speaking of which, Dion Jordan is barely seeing the field. WTF???? It is getting to be unreal with some of the decisions that this coaching staff is making.
    Patterson got injured......again.
    Carroll got injured.
    We drafted 2 cornerbacks in the last draft. We have 2 of our top 3 corners injured in this game and neither one of the rooks see the field. I'm so confused. How long do we have to live with Jimmy Wilson getting burnt on 3rd downs. (yes i am aware that wilson's hit on sanu caused the ellerbe interception)
    I hope Sturgis has gotten over his struggles as of late after his 34 yard miss.
    Did I mention that the tackling was atrocious? Thank GOD Bernard got injured.


    What did I miss?
     
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  2. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Your criticisms of Sherman are nitpicking. He called a good game. Of course their gonna take miller out after the fumble, that was a big **** up. They did run out of the six lineman formation, it wasn't as effective in the 2nd half.

    Defense is definitely horrendous on 3rd and long. I am more excited when its 3rd and short than hen it's 3rd and long, we **** it up every. Single. Time.
     
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  3. Dolfan330

    Dolfan330 My wein is so chaffed...

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    I thought Ellerbe had a solid game.
     
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  4. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    No props for Tannehill, who aside from Wake, was perhaps the biggest reason the team won this game. That sideline pass to Hartline to set up the field goal, and that audible for the deep pass PI to Wallace were absolute monster plays.

    In the most important times of the game, in a game that could perhaps have meant the Dolphins season, he stood tall and played with balls, and had zero TO. That deserves a little mention in the Good category.
     
  5. mcdave21

    mcdave21 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    agreed
     
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  6. dWreck

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    Thissssss.
     
  7. finwin

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    Thanks for the pluses and minuses. I think they should bring in another kicker this week. I'm glad Carroll got injured, I think Will Davis or Jamar Taylor need to get on the field.
     
  8. Lt Dan

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    No way should they bring another kicker in. Talk about a confidence killer....I think the rook got his confidence back with that game tying kick. that was money
     
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  9. Jagfish

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    Wheeler just looks like he just dives at ball carriers. He seems like he can't wrap up and tackle. He does do it at high speed tho. Lol Gio looked like Barry Sanders last night.
     
  10. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    :confused1: Misi had a very good game. He was everywhere.
     
  11. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Sherman's calls in the second half were embarrassing. He has little to no understanding on how to use his personnel in certain down and distance situations.



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  12. padre31

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    My complaint against Wheeler:

    On Bernard's incredible Td run, Wheeler and Grimes missed him, Grimes got up and missed again down inside the 5 or so, Wheeler could not beat Soliai down the field to try to make the tackle again.

    He did not hustle.
     
  13. schmolioot

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    I agreed. the win was nice, but we did the exact same things in the second half last night that we did during the losing streak. Last night, we managed to hang in against a team trying to give us the game that had its best defenders dropping like flies.

    The two Daniel Thomas calls on 2nd and 3rd and short were atrocious.

    It was fun to win and it ended in an exciting way, but we didn't play all that different. We just managed to hold onto the ball. We were embaressingly outgained again and the offense scored all of 13 points.
     
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  14. padre31

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    I think a legitimate criticism of Sherman was the timeout, bring in Egnew, still not get the play in, then run a play where Egnew brings his defender into the intended Wr's area for the incompletion.

    THAT was amateur hour.

    Think Sherman also did not have all that many opportunities to call much of anything in the final 3 qtrs, we held the ball for 30 seconds in the third, in the 4th we had a nice drive ended by the Bline BS PI call and the Bengals sustained drives against us in the 2nd half.

    As for short ydg, keep in mind Garner was playing for Richie, and McKinnie is a newb, and Clabo has been poor this year, so uhm, who exactly do they run behind to pick up short yds?
     
  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    smh.
     
  16. vt_dolfan

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    On Bernards run for the TD....

    There was an obvious block in the back that should have negated the run.
     
  17. schmolioot

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    So one win and all problems are solved I guess?
     
  18. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I'd like to know, on the deep shot to Wallace, if that was a called play by Sherman or a Tanny audible.

    To me, it looked like Tannehill saw the coverage and changed the play. If so, that's huge.

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  19. schmolioot

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    It looked like a check. Mayock mentioned it during the broadcast
     
  20. Fin D

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    Sigh. Who said that?

    I just think if you actually watched the game last night, you'd have seen it wasn't like we had been playing. One example, we ran more than we passed last night.
     
  21. padre31

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    I've seen some of them solved, LT, run the ball more, try to hit Wallace on big plays, he had what two 25+ yd plays last night.

    Think our Db's still leak to much, they create turnovers, they still have poor ball skills when it comes to defensing passes.

    AFAIK, Miller has had back to back 100 yd rushing games
     
  22. NyPhinfan

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    When they showed that play from the overhead.. check out Ellerbe and Reshard Jones. An embarrassment of lack of hustle and drive. Put as much effort into avoiding getting to the play as getting there
     
  23. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    Your Pro-Bowl Center.

    QB Sneak is massivily underused by this team.
     
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  24. rdhstlr23

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    This. It's exciting to win. It's nice to be 4-4 and hope for playoffs.

    But, it was exactly what we've seen time and and time again.

    I didn't mind going to the pass in the 2nd half. Things were fine.
    Mike Wallace doesn't get the right depth on the slant and we're short on a 1st down. Nobody's fault but Wallace's

    Sherman was good and bad like he always is. The defense was poor as hell on 3rd down, especially 3rd and long.
     
  25. padre31

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    Good way to get your Qb injured as well.
     
  26. mcdave21

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    I didn't mean he had a bad game. He must have gotten injured because trusnick was out there a lot in the second half.
     
  27. mcdave21

    mcdave21 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This
     
  28. mcdave21

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    Not sure the odds of the qb getting injured on a sneak?
     
  29. Rhody Phins Fan

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    I'm glad somebody else noticed that too. That really annoyed me.
     
  30. Berezo

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    Sherman was bad again in the 2nd half. He has no clue how to get creative with motion and personnel and is really predictable. I am so tired of seeing empty sets in the backfield when you have been able to run the ball well the whole game. Keep a back in the backfield so the defense doesn't know what s coming. I still don't get it....I agree with 3rd and longs.
     
  31. darefugee

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    I'm as happy as anyone that we won and are now back on the right track. But I sure find it concerning that for the second week in a row, we blew a 2-touchdown lead in the second half. Where's the "step on their throat" mentality?
     
  32. Berezo

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    Tannehill checked to that pass.
     
  33. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    Just throwing out there that the percentage of QBs getting injured on a play where they fall foward behind a dominating Center is pretty low.
     
  34. invid

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    I think if Lamar Miller scores on that fumble run and Sturgis makes the chip-shot field goal, we aren't talking much about Sherman. While his playcalling late in the game was a little sketchy, he put the team in position to score 10 more points than they actually did in the beginning of the game. This is coming from a major Sherman doubter, but the players kept themselves from having a bigger lead over the Bengals than they did.
     
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  35. hazed819

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    But did you see the play were Wallace blew the top off and the CB had to decide whether to risk him catching the ball or taking the PI, I need to see that more. I dont know if its camera angle or what but I never see Wallace run a go route. He can do that atleast 1-2 times a game but coverage either crumbles or Sherman never calls it. Thats what I want to see Wallace doing.
     
  36. Finrunner

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    Agreed. Don't think injury is even a concern. And we weren't afraid to do it at the goal line, and we were rewarded with a TD. However, several times (well, at least a few) this year, we've had third (or fourth maybe once) and six inches or less, and we haven't used the QB sneak on those occasions that I can remember. And we've been stuffed in the backfield too many times. Tannehill is fairly athletic as a QB and should be relied upon to get inches behind our best blocker. When did the shortest distance between two points not become a straight line?
     
  37. KB21

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    The play that basically changed the game was the play where Ryan checked the play and threw the ball up top to Mike Wallace, who drew a TD saving pass interference penalty on Terrence Newman. Prior to that play, Cincinnati had a 60% win probability. On that one play, Cincinnati's win probability dropped from 60% to 28%.
     
  38. Vertical Limit

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    Don't know the odds but Tannehill did take a hit on a sneak to the head that looked ugly but thankfully he got up. Looked like his neck was pushed inside his body.
     
  39. Pariah

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    What irks me about Sherman is his playcalling comes across as stubborn (just my opinion), and that he resists changing the foundation of his plan. Examples are the resistance towards rolling Tannehill out, or his short yardage calls. He seems to try to squeeze players into his system, rather than work his system around the players. But, there are times where I am impressed by his calls, but overall I get frustrated more than I get excited. And this is is a sentiment shared by a roomful of Phins fans that all have a pretty serious football background and have been watching the game for over 30 years.

    Someone else said it here, that he is just a mediocre OC, and I agree with that wholeheartedly. I would love for this team to have a young, innovative OC who might take some risks, but isn't stuck on a system.
     
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  40. CantinaJack

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    Good:
    Dimitre Patterson - dude is a cross between Darrelle Revis and Sam Jackson from "Unbreakable"... Is there an update on his injury?

    Brent Grimes - the best FA pick up of the season for us. The pick six was amazing, but the skeptic in me thinks it hurt us more than helped us, our D was gassed after that and ended up giving up two strait touchdowns on the ground. I know you always take the points, but I just wished he got tackled on the 30 yard line or so lol.

    Michael Egnew - the butt of most jokes last year is making a name for himself in the run blocking department.

    RT - I'm sorry haters, but he is our guy. If given just an average oline this guy will be great.

    Miller - the fumble was bad especially since he had the entire left side of the field to run too, but he is starting to make Ireland look good for not picking up a veteran RB in FA or resigning Bush.

    Odrick - Finally proving he deserved to be drafted in the first round.

    Vernon - I've been impressed with his play this year.


    Bad:

    Sherman -
    the guy just might be too smart for his own good, he outthinks himself on play calling. He is the type that says, "well they are going to expect the QB sneak, so instead I'll do what they think I won't do, and that is run it to the side where my starting LG went out and now the backup has to make a key block in overtime". Just stupid man... I would have run two QB sneaks in a row if the first one didnt get it.

    Wheeler
    - I can forgive not being able to cover a guy like Gio Bernard out of the backfield, that is just a bad defensive scheme if you ask me, but damnit if I can forgive all of the missed tackles. This guy made BGE look like frickin Barry Sanders out there with all the wiffs on the spin moves, last I checked BGE is a frickin power runner guys! Not a good look for us.

    Carrol/Wilson
    - these guys are garbage. Carroll is just bad, but Wilson can play safety, NOT THE SLOT COYLE.

    Jones - I don't know whats up with him this year, but he just doesnt seem like the same guy. And what is with the arguing with Clemons right before the snap? Just weird stuff.


    final thoughts/questions:
    Do you guys think Hartline got two feet down on that final drive in the 4th qtr? I don't think he did, but his ankle and calve may have rolled enough onto the ground to count as two feet? what do you guys think?

    Was the deep ball PI to Wallace an overthrow? IMO I think he would have had to make a spectacular diving catch on that one. Your thoughts?

    Does anyone have an injury update on Incog?

    I can't wait to see how the individual oline grades out, especially for whoever replaced Incog (garner I think) and Clabo.

    No one has been talking about John Jerry lately... For an olinemen this is a good thing no?
     
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