Would you make Dan Marino the GM and replace Ireland?

Somehow, I have to think that the part highlighted had a lot more to do with the sudden decision not to continue in the position for which Wayne hired him. I don't think Wayne had a clearly defined position for Marino as Senior Vice President of Football Operations. Weidmeier was Exec VP/COO, and Eddie Jones was President AND Dave Wannstedt was Coach, who up to that point had been in charge of the Draft and personnel. Add that to the fact that Rick Spielman was on staff (he was promoted to GM after Marino resigned, and jumped over Wannstedt's head in the pecking order) - and I sense a great disturbance in the force within the organization. Just who would report to who and where was each on in the pecking order between the football team and Wayne? The Dolphins were looking for anything to draw attention to the walking Mongolian cluster**** that was Dave Wannstedt - so - as I see it - Wayne pulled out the magic Marino Card. And if my suspicions about the lack of clarity of authority is correct - then Dan was right to bail! Just getting the organization straightened out as far as who reported to who about what and when did Wayne get involved would have been a pain in the posterior! I really don't think that Wayne told Dan "Everything from the head coach on down is yours! Have at it."

 

In all seriousness, I think this thread goes a long way to identifying common misconceptions regarding general managers and football executives. A General Manager likely spends only a small fraction of his time actually scouting players. He is spending his time managing and evaluating the entire scouting department, which is about 20 people. He also has to manage the coaching staff, which is around another 20 people. He also has to manage the strength and conditioning staff, the training staff, the medical staff, etc. which is likely another 20-30. He has to manage the equipment staff. Theres likely a video staff that he has to manage as well. You're looking at around 100 people that are working under an NFL general manager.

On top of all of that, he has to interface with the other executives in the organization. The Dawn Apontes, Harvey Greenes, marketing executives, etc. Is this the type or position Dan Marino is cut out for? Has he ever managed close to this many people?

 

I see you still don't have a sense of humor, Jeff.

 

Growing up, Marino was my hero. The first time I got grounded was because I punched the wall after the Dolphins lost to the 49ers in the Super Bowl.

Having said that, I can't imagine he's qualified to be a GM.

 

Because he likes stuffing rubber tubes coated with Vaseline up men's butts?

 

How about "He knows how to play the game!" A whole lot of people can know about finance, administration, legal requirements, and not know the first thing about football - and still manage to administer a corporation - even the business side of the Dolphins. Such people can be found by placing an ad in the right spots for the right universities.

But, none of them know how to PLAY the game - and that is the source of the revenue which will be administered, allocated, applied, and authorized.

Dan knows what it takes to play football. We don't really have that in the organization right now - perhaps on the field - but not above the level of the coaching staff. And I have reached the point - after giving him three years to mold his own vision of the team - at which I think that Ross should stay way, way behind the scenes, and Ireland is in over his head.

 

How about someone who knows both? What position in the organization will emphasize knowing the game, but not any of the other stuff? The only one I can think of would be a scout, or some type of figurehead position.

I also would point out that the Dolphins employ both Don Shula and Nat Moore, at executive level positions. So there are people who have played the game in the organization. As I said earlier, I would have no problem making Marino a chairman.

 

Well Farce, er Farve, does have a lottttt of recent experience hanging out as an "advisor" to a local Highschool football team. That should count. Right?

And maybe it's a fetish.

 

Based on the number of times each of these QB's took his team to a Super Bowl, I would have to say that Marino would have made a mistake by selecting himself over either Kelly or Elway.

Individually Marino was a great QB, but from a team perspective, both Kelly and Elway had much better overall careers.

 

Lol, no but he's obviously went on the record as far as interest..the only advantage I think he brings without knowing his ability to identify talent in others is what he would do to this particular fanbase, and that's get them excited about the team that plays in the city where they live..he's part of our culture and this city would attach itself to it..however thinking he can choose good front office people is pretty much on the hope and faith side yes?

 

Yeah I don't know, but if this current regime tanks, then I'd be up for giving him a shot I think, you?

 

When I say give him a shot by no means do I mean at GM..

 

We'll then the priorities of the GM are all fu@&ed up..I doubt this to be true relative to the degree your suggesting, every player that is aquired for this team needs to have his stamp of approval, future acquisitions need to be scouted ahead of time so plans of action can be Put in place..

 

McKinnie & John Jerry + Nutrisystem = Probowl

 

Jeff Ireland should always have a position with the Dolphins... Head defensive line scout.

 

Sure, but making the acquisition decisions still comprises a small percentage of the work within football operations. That doesn't mean anything should be prioritized higher, but when you have 100 people working at your direction, you simply don't have the bandwidth to get bogged down in any particular area. And that's really the big challenge of any high level administrative position. Dan Marino may be great at making the big decision, but if he isnt able to orchestrate the 100 people in football operations, he won't be able to make informed decisions.

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His impact on the fanbase would be minimal and it would be eroded the second we start losing because he thinks Player X is the next Damon Huard.

Marino not only has zero experience in running anything even remotely as complicated as a pro franchise, but he also lacks any of the necessary traits and football knowledge.

Marino was an amazing player based 100% on talent. He did not have a head for the game nor did he try to cultivate one.

Hell, he even recently got taken to the cleaners financially. All he brings is a name and that will not carry us any further than we are.

 

yeah Fin, it doesnt excite me from a personnel standpoint, and when it comes to our gm, my main concern is that he sleeps watching tape, and he's very good at it..Thats gt to be the first step, now if theres some other position next to the guy that does all serious decision making on personnell then im all for it.

 

The only decisions Dan is qualified to make are ones that require the football be in his hands and he be on the field.

His business ventures were all Huzienga. His broadcasting gigs are all because of his name. Left to his own devices, he has love children and gets fleeced in investments.

No good comes form Marino coming back. I mean he couldn't even help introduce the new logo and uniforms without being ball hugging drunk.

 

Marino almost went to the front office in 2004. But had a change of heart. Seems like he is more happier in broadcasting and enjoying it!

 

I wouldn't go that far. Each of those little departments you mention has a head guy. That head guy reports to Jeff. Ultimately he's responsible for everyone but he doesn't manage each and every single person lest he be a micro manager. You mention the coaching staff. Don't you think the "head coach" is the one managing them? The Scouting dept. Isn't there a head scout? Strength and conditioning coach? Etc. etc.

It's like any other structured business.

 

Yes. Like the Ravens Ozzie Guillen


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Can't be any worse than what we got

 

Yes it can.

Jesus, you people act like Ireland is the worst GM in the history of the world.

 

Thats exactly my point. The GM is a manager of managers. He can't micromanage any process, because that would detract from the other things. That requires a skillset that is totally separate from knowing football. Thats not even getting into the financial and budgeting issues associated with the job. Think your scouts suck? Well it costs money to replace them. You aren't in complete control over your budget, and there are a lot of constituencies fighting over financial resources. There isn't any real evidence that Marino has the skillset to be a good administrator. Of course knowing the game is imperative, but so are the administrative skills.

 

Why should we assume that the success of defensive lineman is mainly due to Ireland? Very likely could be someone else within the scouting department, or Kacey Rogers, or even a defensive assistant.

 

It was a simpler time, it was a puntier time.

 

Well if your opinion is worth a. Pick me. Ill do it for love.

 

Jamar Fletcher anybody? Howzabout some Eddie mama sloven Moore. Drew who? Anquan Boldin no thanks. I know. Lets let Czonk Warfield and Kiick bail.
How many??? 16? QBs since 13?? I need another drink.

 

Marino was the greatest alltime Dolphin. #13 is center on the ROH for a reason. But to be frank.........WTF has he ever done to deserve to be GM? because Elway did it? If anything you throw some $$$$ at Jimmy Johnson and ask him to evaluate talent for the next 3 yrs. Superbowl city............

 

What has he done to NOT deserve a shot at being GM/football head? What has Dan Marino set out to do and failed at? Name one thing. If Dan was at the top two years ago we have a legit shot at recruiting Peyton Manning. Nobody would be complaining then. The Miami Dolphins sorely need the type of credibility that he would bring.

 

He lasted 3 weeks before he stepped down as Dolphins' senior vice president of football operations

SO NO TO A POSITION AS GM