Tracking Tannehill

Sorry but you can't and if Sturgis makes the kick we win. If we run the ball we probably win... Can't just blame Tannehill.

 

I agree on both points. My biggest fear is the that Tannehill's confidence and the play timing in his head and going to firmly be too fast as he usually only has time for his primary read before having to get rid of it.

The nickle jumped the route for that pick 6 because he knew recognized it and knew what was coming. That was just as much on Sherman and Gibson, but for different reasons. Sherman for being predictable, Gibson for not positioning himself to block the DB, then not making the tackle after Tannehill threw the pass.

 

Tannehill Is Currently On Pace For:

24 TDs
19 INTs
4,205 yds
Rtg 83.1

19 Fumbles
186 rushing yds
0 rushing TDs

His TD:INT ratio will be around 1.3 which to be honest, is acceptable to me for his second year in the league behind this protection.

Kid is playing on track to develop into a good franchise QB. Here's the thing... I don;t know if he reaches these projected numbers because he'll be injured behind this O-line. He's gonna miss time this year, barring a drastic change in the performance of our pass protection.

 

"The goal here is to provide the Qb with a pocket, so he has the time to make a good decision, follow thru on his throw, any time the depth or width of the pocket gets comprised, I have yet to see a Qb play if those things occur"

 

Hate to say it but with that ****** excuse of an OL I would take those stats. Damn shame RT hasn't got a better OL.

 

You haven't seen Luck play yet?

He always seems to make the perfect necessary adjustment to get a throw off.

 

We don't have Luck, we have Jeff Garcia, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning.

He's about as reasonably shifty as Jeff, statuesque under pressure like Brady, and quick with the ball like Manning. Combine all that and you apparently get an 83 rating. Earlier in the season it got a top ten rating though. I just honestly don't know how to peg this team. We're better than our record indicates collectively but set up in a way that allows for one bad play to derail us.

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Luck is going to be the next Manning but with mobility. Watch Luck, watch his legs constantly moving in that pocket. Its beautiful to watch. It reminds me of the very player he replaced at Indy. Players like Luck come around once in a blue moon.

 

I watched him for the first time on Sunday, it was our live game over here at 2am. Good isn't he?

 

Well, just from a practicality pov, the line play will improve as it would be virtually impossible for the unit to play worse than it has.

If people recall the Colombo darkness, he basically got destroyed vs the Bears (as did Jake Long), and early in the year, then improved but by then it was far far to late to save the season.

Would not surprise me, IF THill does not get injured, if he throws 30 Td's or close to it.

 

I don't see it, but man I hope you're right. To get to 30, he'd need to average 2 TD's a game (well that'd get him to 29), and in all likelihood he'd have to have at least 3 more 3+ TD games because I doubt he gets 2 every game. If he got close to 30 TDs, I don't doubt that we'd have a winning record over our remaining 10 games.

 

The thing that bothers me are the fumbles. The interceptions are part of the maturation process IMO. He has to do a better job of ball security.

 

Depends on how often we play from behind the rest of the season, THill unlike Henne, can make things happen in the passing game which will lead to more Td passes.

 

I'm thinking 25/15 at this point which would still be a huge improvement.

 

I don't know about that. I think Tannehill is progressing, even behind the offensive line being as bad as it is. I guess there is the fear out there that if the line continues to fail and Tannehill continues to get hit, that his internal clock will speed up, he'll hurry throws, and he'll morph into some kind of shell-shocked David Carr-ian type of failed quarterback. I'm not totally above those fears, myself, and I also think the offensive line's poor play has contributed into Tannehill going with the quick read at times in the game (like the pick-six which you mentioned) that would probably be less problematic, imo, if he didn't think he needed to get rid of the ball so quick on a third down. But overall, I think he's getting better. He hit Wallace long last game, which keeps that threat alive; the third TD he threw where he escaped from the pocket and hit Gibson was a thing of beauty, which fans are craving to see more of, and his mental mistakes seem to be going down on the whole (the second INT was definitely one of those where he seemed to forget the safety - to me, that was his worst pass of the day). He's definitely better than he was last year, and even though the Buffalo game was his worst game of the season, he actually threw away more balls than I had seen him do all year (which, of course, hurts his percentage but reduces his sack numbers) and he responded from two early INTs with a three-TD game, the first of his career. I don't think his progression has been completely stymied, at least not from a "are Tannehill's talent and job-capability getting better and better?" standpoint.

The larger issue, however, that the bad offensive line does contribute to, imo, is wins and losses... and it's wins that are being stifled (certainly in the Ravens and Bills games). And QBs get judged on wins and losses in the end. In that way, perhaps, the OL is stymying the perception of Tannehill by fans and the general public.

 

Agreed. The fumbles are problematic, way too many of them overall. And that's without me really blaming the last one on him too much. On that particular one, he sets up in his drop, and starts his arm motion to throw. By the time he does that, his throwing arm gets clubbed by Williams. That probably happens to most QBs. But the fumble on his scramble in the Saints game really hurt, because up until that point we were in that game and driving, moving the ball. That play sabotaged a lot of the good we had done up until that point, and later we had to rely our weakness (o-line protection) to try to catch up, and that didn't work too well. But even in the wins, ATL had a short field and scored a TD because of weak ball security. He has like a lost fumble a game average and almost 1 1/2 fumbles a game. And what were red flag in early game are now problems come to roost as the contribute to losing games.

Ball security has to be a point of emphasis going forward. I mean, this is shades of Dave Krieg! Fumbles piggy-backing INTs are not what you want from your franchise quarterback. I love Tannehill, his demeanor, and his talent, and I think with the right team, he can lead the Dolphins where we all want them to go. But he still needs to reduce the INTs and put to rest the fumbling issue.

 

The fumbles is something he needs to keep an eye on and figure out, however even saying this, many of the fumbles are again byproducts of the terrible offensive line. A few are his fault, certainly the one against the Saints, but when your tackles are playing so poorly, you are getting pressure from the places you are least able to predict, see, and evade. You cannot have players constantly coming in from your sides swatting at your arms as you try to keep the ball high to have a quick release.

Tackle play for our team has been just beyond disastrous.

 

A high number of INTs and fumbles aren't a new issue for fledgling QBs. I worry we all have too high of expectations for Tannehill.

For numbers sake and just because he is the best of the AFCE -- Brady sat his first season behind Bledsoe, but his first 3 seasons starting, he threw 38 INTs and had 36 fumbles. That is just under 1 INT and 1 fumble per game. It was his fourth season as a starter he put it all together and cut these down significantly.

Also, last season, Andrew Luck had 18 INTs and 10 fumbles. Tannehill had 13 INTs and 9 fumbles last season. Yes Luck threw more TDs, but then you expect more out of Luck as the 1# overall pick going to a former playoff team with a better supporting cast.

 

Don't quite see this as of yet with Ryan.

 

He's not accurate enough. He's a mobile Brett Favre to me.

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Luck doesn't make those ill advised throws that farve would make at least once a week which made you really scratch you head and say "what the hell was that?"

I felt like farve would just close his eyes and heave up a duck every so often, like the ones in the playoffs. I don't see Luck making mistake's like that even only being a 2nd year player.

 

I'm more referring to ceiling. He's gonna have to brute force his way into the hall of fame.

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Agreed. If McKinnie can shore up the left side, then Tannehill really needs to bounce back after that poor start last week and make a statement with his play for all 4 qtrs against the Pats.

My concerns are that the slow first half starts will continue to dog him as we continue into division play. He tends to stand too flat footed at he completes his dropbacks. As noted, Luck's legs never stop moving until he fires, neither does Wilson's.

Tannehill really needs a strong showing in prime time next Thursday against the Bengals as well. He needs to lead the team to wins over both the Pats and the Bengals to help salvage the season.

 

He sure does, and no matter what the oline is doing, he needs to trust his read and throw the ball even if it's into a tight window, just get the ball off on time...He did take two sacks last week on plays where he hesitated on the throws..if he were to release the ball at the proper moment, and was accurate doing so, both plays would of worked and no sacks would of happened.

Just saw some clips that proved that point.

 

Yes, it's puzzling why we haven't had him rolling out or running boot legs as much as last season. Especially if the OLine has been this bad. He has always shown good escapability and accuracy when doing so. Much of what he had done from the pocket this season as opposed to last has felt forced. Everything feels as though the coaches were Hell bent on proving something rather than putting him and the team in the best position to win games.

 

Favre? He's a lock.....seriously....beit right or wring.

 

No. Luck is going to have to force his way in. Statistically I don't see him capable of having an all time great season. I could always be wrong but I really don't see it.

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How many total yards now?

 

His QB rating the last three weeks....94.2, 95.5, 120.6

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Its almost as if the light kind of came on, and the game slowed down for him. Obviously the protection has been better, but he looks so poised and in control out there now. I'm loving what I'm seeing from Tannehill.

 

please, continue.

 

Tannehill's passer rating today: 120.6...

Brady's: 85.7....