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Dolphins trade for Bryant Mckinnie

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  1. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I would love to see Lamar Miller play in 12 personnel, (oh my god this man is advocating Egnew or Sims to be on the field) and get the ball handed to him....have Tanny throw out of it with the extra crutch of another TE to block.
     
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  2. padre31

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    Or the Te can go out into a pattern..gasp I know..think it would work well.
     
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  4. Nappy Roots

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    Does anyone know what we gave up for him? If its anything more then a 7th Im gonna be pissed
     
  5. byroan

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    It was a late conditional. My guess is a 7th that could be a 6th based on playing time or could even be based on us making the playoffs.
     
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  6. ASOT

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    Omar Kelly (I know not exactly a great source) is saying on WQAM's Joe Rose Show, that this trade came about due to a pow-wow that occurred after the game in the locker room where Steven Ross was extremely angry and wanted answers and fast. He called this trade "desperation" by Ireland and Philbin.

    Draw from this what you wish
     
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  7. PhinsRock

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    OK, putting foot on first step of ladder up bandwagon Fireland. He can't really be serious here, can he?
     
  8. ASOT

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    Oh another tidbit, Kelly says that McKinnie will not be starting this NE game, that you will see Claybo one more week. Not enough time for Bryant and Martin to have practiced, especially to play against a team the caliber of NE.
     
  9. ASOT

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    Well considering what Omar Kelly just said on Joe Rose's show this action was pretty much dictated by Ross, that something needed to happen and fast, and this was the easiest trade to make.
     
  10. PhinsRock

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    :sidelol: sorry, just the thought of this team making the playoffs seems rather funny right now. I put that loss as much on Tannehill as I do the OL.
     
  11. ASOT

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    He (Kelly) said Ross said that he feels after spending the money he did in the off-season, that he expects the playoffs, and anything less puts Philbin & Ireland in a very, very hot seat.

    I hope Ireland doesn't play the "I just pick 'em, he coaches them" game and talks his way into being allowed to stay and maybe even pick another coach. At some point it must dawn on Ross its not the coaches, its the GM !
     
  12. Den54

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    He needed to go Jerry Jones on their ***.
     
  13. Section126

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    I am for one...GLAD that Stephen Ross thinks this way.

    No CAN HIS *** (Ireland) if we don't make the playoffs. Simple as that. Because..at this rate..if we miss the playoffs..we will miss them by 1 game or so....The Offensive Line is easily responsible for that 1-2 games.
     
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  14. PhinsRock

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    Exactly as it should have been, except Mike Sherman should've been in there too. And honestly I think Coyle as well, we can't stop any team on 3rd & 9-10.
     
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  15. josh

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    I think we were all feeling the exact same way. I know I was hoping for Ross to do just that. I mean, how many games can you go out there and get Tannehill killed without making a change?
     
  16. GridIronKing34

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    6 hopefully...
     
  17. ckparrothead

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    I think it's important to draw a line of distinction between Steve Ross holding a "come to Jesus" meeting with Philbin and Ireland after a home loss that pretty much nobody expected, and the assertion that Steve Ross demanded they execute this trade.

    Those are not the same thing. Steve Ross "demanded answers" according to Omar. That doesn't mean he demanded a trade. If the coaches had conviction that the players they have were going to get the job done they could have doubled down in front of their boss and said the problems are fixable and we're going to do that. Instead, Ireland made the decision to grab McKinnie.

    And I share Section126's opinion on this. I am glad that Ross has shown his displeasure. They need to see that. They needed some goddamn urgency put in them because too many of the coaches' answers on the field were the same answers that resulted in losses or a near-loss against Atlanta. Too many of the holes in the roster are due to pure stubbornness, or lack of effort (see: not knowing that Eugene Monroe was available in trade).
     
  18. Section126

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    Hate to bring them into this..but I will.

    In Pat Riley's office.....there is this large board with every single player in the league "ranked" by position. Once a week, they mock availability and touch bases with other GM's to see what they are thinking.

    Pat Riley got this idea from Jimmy Johnson after visiting the Davie Facility shortly after Jimmy arrived here.

    I am told Jeff Ireland does not have this as a feature in his office. WHY THE **** NOT?
     
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    This is what I thought would happen, meaning Clabo has his "one last chance" game.

    He knows it, let's see what he is made of
     
  20. Den54

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    Why, so he can fail us the following week?
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    I mostly see the Eugene Monroe thing used as an excuse. The question being, why didn't you trade for Eugene Monroe? The answer being, well 90% of the league didn't know he was actually available in trade.

    Sorry, I don't buy that. 90% of the league don't necessarily need Eugene Monroe. The Dolphins are part of a handful of teams that do. They should have been making calls and checking on availability. It's on them if they weren't doing that, and as a result a really good player that plays a position of need went off to another team for a cheap price tag. It's also on them if they thought it wasn't a position of need and only decided that it was a need some time after the fact.

    When Jeff Ireland is released from his contract later this year, I'm pretty sure Eugene Monroe will be held up as one of the examples of why that is happening.
     
  22. Anonymous

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    Why would we release Ireland out of his contract if we're going to make the playoffs?
     
  23. schmolioot

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    I believe a general check in like this resulted in the Deron Williams trade to NJ/Brooklyn. As I recall, Billy King justcalled Utah after Sloan retired and just asked them if they were interedsted in trading D-Will. While he was shocked that Utah said yes, he was able to quickly complete a major trade before anybody else even knew of the availability. It's being proactive.
     
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  24. ckparrothead

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    Is that a rhetorical question?

    Obviously, I doubt the Dolphins make the playoffs. I don't think 9-7 is going to be good enough for the playoffs in the AFC. As of now the Dolphins are 8th seed. After next week I believe that will be worse as the Dolphins will go below-.500.
     
  25. Anonymous

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    But we are making the playoffs. So, this scenario doesn't work.
     
  26. Stringer Bell

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    Eugene f'n Monroe? Really? They just gave a WR $60MM, and he's not even among the top 20 in the league. They passed on Russell Wilson in favor of Ryan Tannehill. And failing to trade for an average and inconsistent tackle is something that will do Ireland in?
     
  27. schmolioot

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    It's the cumulation of everything. We al agree eugene Monroe is betetr at this stage than Bryant McKinnie. Well, the Ravens got Monroe for not all that much more then we paid for McKinnie, and the issues on the line and with Clabo specifically were just as obvious 3 weeks ago as they were Monday when we made the trade.

    To use Desides' term, it's roster negligence
     
  28. MrClean

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    Monroe is a lot more than average when it comes to pass blocking tackles. He was 15th in PBE last year and 18th the year before. Considering there are 62 starting tackles, being in the top 20 is above average. This year combining Jax and Balt he is about 21st, so still above avg. Had we traded for him, we could have settled our LT position for several years.
     
  29. Stringer Bell

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    Monroe is not the same cost as McKinnie.

    Either way, the RT is way, way down the list of reasons why anyone in the front office should be fired.
     
  30. Stringer Bell

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    He is a FA after this season.

    Monroe is better than what Miami has, but its not even close to near the top of the list of things to criticize the team for.
     
  31. SICK

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    You can't honestly bring Russel Wilson into this can you? Come on. The guy was a 3rd round pick. Every single team in the league passed on him twice. Just stop it.
     
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  32. Nappy Roots

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    Monroe is good enough to win with. I wanted Miami to trade for him since the draft. and hes young.
     
  33. MrClean

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    Far as I'm concerned the only ones who can ***** about taking Tannehill over Wilson are those who were advocating drafting the latter before the draft. Around here, the only one I recall consistently doing that was DJ.
     
  34. Stringer Bell

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    Yes, its a much more valid criticism IMO than complaining about the failure to rent Eugene Monroe for 12 games.
     
  35. Stringer Bell

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    Who is *****ing? We are talking about reasons why Jeff Ireland will be fired. I'm not complaining about Tannehill by any means.
     
  36. SICK

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    No it isnt. We had to take a qb in the first round. We already tried the "take something else in the 1st, and go with 2nd tier qb later" route with long/henne, ginn/beck.
     
  37. SICK

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    Ireland should be fired for many reasons, no one will agree taking tannehill 8th overall, instead of waiting to get Russel Wilson is one of those reasons. Wayyyyyyy too many hypotheticals.
     
  38. MrClean

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    Drafting Tannehill rather than Wilson won't be the reason he gets fired.
     
  39. Stringer Bell

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    No, if the organization is giving into some type of fan sentiment regarding which round to take a certain position, etc., then thats obviously a failure in itself.

    Either way, in hindsight the team should have taken Russell Wilson in the first round, JMO.
     
  40. SICK

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    6 teams before miami "hypothetically" could have agreed, and taken him before us. Again, hypotheticals cant get you fired when 31 other GMs did the same thing twice. Stop it.
     

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