Homeland

I wonder where they go from here though. I mean I can't see how Season 3 can be just about Carrie trying to clear Brody's name but that's obviously what will happen. I really thought they were going to kill off Brody, it wrapped up everything with his family and Mike. I was shocked when the bomb went off though, and the anticipation of what could happen next was great. But I just felt let down by the end. It will be interesting to hear what Carrie's excuse was as to where she was etc.

 

I dont know if anyone noticed or if I am reading too much into it but when Brody parked his car on the way to the funeral he did not lock the car and walked away with the keys in his hand .As he walked up the steps he handshaked an apparent military man and the next scene shows him without his car keys in his hands.

IMO it was not a coincidence that Brody stepped away from the ceremony inviting Claire on some pretext and then act surprised that his car had been moved.

 

I didn't notice anything with Brody and the car keys, whether he locked the car or not. However, and maybe I'm wrong, but didn't Carrie motion to Brody to leave the ceremony?

 

I'm not sure it will be about Carrie trying to clear Brody's name. I think for the most part, Brody is done as a main character. Saul is heading the CIA now, and I'm not sure its necessary for Carrie to give him anything but the truth. I think season 3 will mostly be about Saul/Carrie trying to figure out how exactly all this happened, and getting those responsible.

To be honest, the bomb didn't surprise me. I had a theory that Brody had been playing Carrie, and would blow himself up at the funeral. Instead, it turns out that basically everyone had been played by Nazir. Thats a little more far-fetched, but still worked IMO.

Really the theme behind all this is that those that tried to be good people ended up getting played the worst. Estes had a ****ed up worldview, where killing Brody was justified. In the end, that world-view was ultimately validated. The way the show portrays the perpetuation of terrorism and violence is very true to real-life.

 

Yeah, I thought Carrie was the one that motioned for Brody to leave.

 

I really hope Brody is gone as his character is meaningless now but I have a feeling he'll be back. It seems like the writers just love the actor and character too much to write him off. Originally his plan was suppose to work in the last episode of Season 1 but the writers changed it to the daughter talking him out of it because they loved Damien Lewis' work too much. I also heard rumors he was suppose to get knocked off in the middle of season 2 but again they kept him around because of his acting abilities. So I guess we'll see.

Personally I was let down by season 2 because it felt more like 24 than Season 1 did in terms of realism. There were just a lot of holes and common sense things that just never happened and I simply couldn't stand any romantic scenes with Brody and Carrie as it was just too unbelieveble. Here's hoping Season 3 is better.

 

I would be very shocked or surprised if it turned out Quinn was bad or was the one that moved the car.

 

What I'm curious about is who released the video of Brody? Nazir's guys had it before Carrie found it, so who knows if there are copies out there. I think it's obvious that the CIA didn't release it, and the mole is responsible for the video and the bomb.


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The guys that claimed responsibility for the bomb. At least thats what it seemed like to me.

 

I'm not sure I buy some type of massive conspiracy where high-level CIA officials are in on this. Obviously there needed to been something that caused the car to move, but it could have been anything that caused that, not necessarily some type of mole.

I also think Quinn didn't kill Brody IMO because he felt it was morally wrong. This was the major theme of the finale IMO, and what made it so good. They did a great job of setting this up, and portraying the war on terrorism exactly how it is in real life. Quite often the decisions most based on morality are the ones that end up costing American lives. Almost every action taken by most of the main characters can be viewed as morally just and morally reprehensible. People try and save the lives of those they deem innocent, and in the process end up destroying more lives of the innocent. David Estes looked like a scumbag for trying to have Brody assassinated, but in hindsight that would have saved 200+ lives.

These are precisely the challenges that our society faces today, and despite a lot of things that seem rather far-fetched, the show has done a great job of portraying the struggle.

 

I think we will see Brody again. I do not believe it will be as a main character though. He may make a few small appearances IMO.

Season 2 was definitely not very realistic. I think if you get focused on the realism though, you end up losing focus of what the show is really about. I think its a great portrayal of how there really are only losers in the fight against terrorism. Despite achieving what appears to be a victory, there has and always will be lives being destroyed. The show goes to great lengths to give us the emotional aspect of whats going on. At times it makes the plot rather unbelievable, but IMO its well worth it to set in place the themes of the show.

 

I thought Season 1 was pretty realistic (as TV shows/movies can be) and seemed like something that could happen. I mean we didn't get any of the 24 type plots i.e. a SWAT team of terrorists taking out a US/Government SWAT team in the US to steal a bomb.

 

It's now been confirmed that Brody will indeed be back for Season 3. I personally think its a mistake, simply because I don't see how there's any reasonable explaination as to why he'd be back or how he'd be even useful to the storyline now but then again I'm not a writer so who knows. I just think its going to end up being too much like 24 where they keep bringing characters back with no real logical explaination (it worked for 24 because everyone loved Jack but got comical after the 15th time he was fired by CTU but happened to be at the right place at the right time and was the only guy they could count on).

 

So what did folks think about todays beginning episode of Season 3?

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Kinda sad to see the CIA throw Carrie under the bus but it was expected. Someone has to be the goat in this. Shame it was the one that told everyone that Brody is a traitor & no one believed her.

 

Huh? Season 3 doesn't start until the end of September.

 

Really, I was able to torrent S3E01 last night so I thought the season started. Good thing I used a spoiler tag though I only wrote a few sentences.

 

Oh ok. No big deal. I thought I missed the first episode airing.

 

So what did folks think?

 

I thought it was slow but good. I still think it would have been for the best if Brody set the bomb off in Season 1 as I think the weakest parts of the show is the Carrie/Brody relationship.

 

So is no one watching the new season? I thought it started out well with the first episode but I wasn't real impressed with the 2nd. Really curious to see what Saul's plan is though from what he hinted to Quinn, could be some crazy twist about why he's throwing Carrey under the bus.

 

Seems rather predictable. Saul is throwing Carrie under the bus in order to save the agency. Eventually they'll find out who is responsible for the bombing then Carrie will be exonerated.

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Yeah I can see that, but I would expect more from the writers of this show. They have to come up with a better season premis than that, kinda seems like Saul knows something.

 

And no doubt that the CIA will need to bring her back into the mix for an other special mission.

 

I honestly have mixed opinions of this season. The first episode was decent, the 2nd was just kind of there. I don't really find the Dana storyline interesting at all and not really looking forward to seeing Brody back again only because the weakest stuff is his relationship with Carrie.

 

Yah I agree, the Dana **** is killing me. Speaking of which, does anybody know where the boy friend is from he looks really familar.

 

The last season of Dexter. He was the kid Dexter was teaching the code to, I think his name was Zack.

 

I found the last episode painful to watch. Very slow, very boring. No clue where any of this is going.

 

Yeah, I think it was made just for symbolic value. Carrie and Brody are kind of in the same boat right now, alone with no one on in their corner.

 

I honestly don't even know if I like this show anymore but just watch it because there's no much else out there. I am interested in seeing where everything is headed but I wonder realistically how long this series can keep going on with Carrie and Brody as main characters for obvious reasons. I don't think the writers have the stones to switch focus and make someone like Saul the main focus and slowly write Carrie and Brody off.

 

Since I download and time shift most of what I watch ,I do some skipping of the uninteresting parts and I found myself skipping too much of the last episode .I just dont find Brodies family very interesting especially Danas role and there was too much of it during the last episode .Hopefully their roles will be reduced.

Brodie reappearance in venezuela is breathing new life to what looked like a ho hum season.
Having been in Venezuela several times and speaking spanish I had to cringe a few times at the stereotypes and inaccuracies but most people are more interested in the entertainment value rather than accuracy .

 

Same here. Having been to Vzla about 4-5 times, I can say that I've never once woke up in the morning and heard nothing but Muslim chants. Although I've never been to Caracas, I do know that a white guy (especially a pale ginger like Brody) would stick out like a sore thumb, and the whole city would look at him as an easy mark.......even without the $10M bounty in his head.



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I really liked that episode, I knew Saul had something up his sleeve.

 

Should have known the former 24 writers would do something to bring Carrie back into things. I mean on one hand yeah it was a good twist on the other it's like more of the same. Strange there was no Brody in the episode though.

Anyone else rooting for that kid to kill Dana?

 

Yes. If he could take out Brody's entire family - even better. They are ruining the show for me. This season kinda sorta sucks pretty bad in my humble opinion. The twist in this week's episode didn't do much for me. What about the reactions to everything when Carrie was alone? If she knew it was the plan, why would she react surprised to seeing Sol's testimony on TV? Maybe she was brought into the loop after that? I don't know. I'm not enjoying it but I'll keep watching. This show will most likely get stale pretty quick just like 24 did.

 

Yeah I completely agree about the twist. It really just doesn't make sense, storyline wise from what we the viewer has seen Carrie go through and her actions and reactions to things. I guess we are to assume it happened after she got put in the nut house? If so how in the world could Saul even trust her at that point or Carrie to trust Saul? It really doesn't make any sense if you think hard about it.

Also I disagree with taking out Brody's entire family. Please leave the wife alone and let her stay on the show. Everyone else, yeah get rid of. Hell give her a spin off, I could watch a show of her just doing house work for an hour.

 

Here's an interview with the showrunner of Homeland:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/10/21/homeland-season-3-interview/

Apparently Saul and Carrie thought of the plan after the attacks in Season 2 and that the writing team had this planned out before the season started. I'm sorry but I don't really buy it, I think the writers realized they backed themselves into a corner and put Carrie too far out of the loop that this was the only thing they could do to bring her back.

Here's another good article on the twist:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2013/10/21/238991294/homeland-and-the-delicate-art-of-withholding