I'm saying every team in the NFL has dealt with injuries, that Miami's are not comparatively worse, and that you seem to be serially overstating the injury situation to make a point.
that's true, most teams do deal with injury, but the ones that are hit by an abundance at one time usually don't play at a top level. Look at how many players are missing on the Bears defense from last year's awesome squad. Now they rank 26th in scoring at 28 pts/game. How about the Broncos w/o Von Miller, Dumervil, and the 35 year old Bailey, and Ihenacho playing through injury? They allow 28 pts/game after being the #2 scoring D last year. So when I say I believe it mattered during the 2nd half of the Ravens game to be without Wake, Ellerbe, Patterson, and Carroll, and with Soliai, Misi, and Clemons playing through legitimate injury, I mean it, especially considering the Ravens scored 20 points during the second half, moved the ball 302 yards (including Miami defensive penalties), rushed the ball successfully (80 yards & 2 TDs), and saw zero Flacco sacks. If anyone can show me it's a typical afternoon for defenses around the league to be without that many players and have that many playing hurt, then I'll get on board with it, even more so if the defense's performance isn't affected by it.
Their defense looks impressive but I think we're looking at an Atlanta team that's falling a part and that decent started with the Dolphins loss. Geno had a good game but so has every QB playing that team so far this season. They should have lost to the Bills and Bucs. The Jets defense got torched when it counted, when the Dolphins defense got tougher in their game against the Falcons. Also if Mike Smith wasn't an idiot and just taken the points at the end of the first half Geno would have had to go the field at the end of the game instead of just get into field goal range. We'll know a lot more about both teams when they finally get to play though. Jets get the horrible Steelers this week though.
Totally disagree that they should have lost to Buffalo. Agree about TB. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk now Free
no, that's why I threw in the "shifty" smiley b/c I actually had no clue what happened on the play but pretended it was a big deal. lol
I dont think the Jets are better then Miami but I will give credit where its due. As I told my friends who are jet fans since grade school, I think the Jets are where Miami was last year. I think the Jets have a better coached D then Miami did last year and that may keep them in a lot of games and win a few that people dont really expect them to win. 5-8 wins is probably the best and worst case scenarios. I also think Rex is a very good DC and he can confuse most QBs and as long as his own offense doesnt bury him with turnovers his teams find ways to kepe it close. And another thing I will say for Rex is that players play their *** off for him. Last year they gave up a little at times but for the most he maximizes talent. Other aspects we can question but not that. PS....I dont think Baltimore has a good offense but they find ways to win. I was speaking to the quality of the opponent not their offense
whoever said the JETS are better than us should be banned for 4 weeks. No the JETS ARE NOT BETTER than the MIAMI DOLPHINS they are in fact absolutely unequivocally EQUAL to the DOLPHINS in every manner of speaking, save for QB since GENO SMITH is the biggest bust in JETS History. The JETS might as well be the Ugly Twin Sister to the Dolphins.
Geno Smith has played a total of 5 NFL games. I'm not sure how you can declare him a bust, let alone the biggest bust is Jets history. Since I'm not sure how old you are, I'll give you 3. Johnny "Lam" Jones, Blair Thomas, and Vernon Gholson. That should hit the major eras or errors. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk now Free
The Atlanta game alone, not to mention his draft position, has solidified Geno as a non bust from here on out IMO. It's a reverse trollish notion to say he is a bust at this point. But Big Vern Gholston...couldn't even get on for special teams...top 5 pick. That was a colossal bust.
That's really not fair as obvious troll started this thread and got it on the ground running. Shame on us I suppose for keeping it going as long as it has. But hey, both teams are 3-2. I'm still pissed about the raven game. Hard to sit on that through a bi week.
Dunno about the Falcons game, but there was a noticable difference when he was out in Ravens game. Flacco had a 14 yard scramble and Rice was able to run... http://www.fancloud.com/articles/in...b-dannell-ellerbe-shoulder-is-questionable-to The twitter remarks from the reporters were interesting. Nice to see Darlington pointing out how much more of an impact Ellerbe has had than Dansby...
I don't know how Smith's career as the Jets QB will eventually work out, but the fact he was drafted to replace a still very young Mark Sanchez would seem to lead one think that it is perhaps Sanchez who has been the biggest bust so far. Especially since the Jets traded up in the first round a few years ago to draft Sanchez as their future franchise QB. The Jets also signed Sanchez to a huge contract when they drafted him and another huge contract when they extended him. Smith was a second round pick. He isn't costing them much, compared to QB's who were drafted in the first round. If he doesn't work out for them over the next few years, he wouldn't have cost them much against the salary cap and they can always use a first round pick on a QB to replace him. If on the other hand he turns out to be a solid QB for the Jets, they will have gotten the steal of the 2013 draft. It is far too early in his rookie year to be calling him a bust. Especially when the Jets have a 3-2 record with him as their starting QB.
Considering they have both been labelled "stars" by the media at some point already, let's just Geno is half the QB that Sanchez was...
"Ellerbe has nursed his ribs, torso, pectoral, knee, and NOW shoulder injury in the first five games." Just an average day for an NFL player. Clemons has battled hamstring, quad, and glute issues all season, with the hammy issue leaving him as questionable heading into the Atlanta game, not probable but questionable. Misi's injured shoulder, the thing he tackles with and uses to control his arm, had him on the sideline the 2nd half against Atlanta and is the reason why he only saw 23 snaps vs New Orleans. I'm guessing he played through it against Baltimore. Soliai's injured knee cost him the Atlanta game and is the reason he saw limited snaps [22] against New Orleans after initially being expected to not suit up. Obviously the knee of a 340 pound man takes more than 2 weeks to recover, meaning it most likely hindered him during Baltimore. Carroll missed 25 plays against New Orleans and missed the 2nd half against Baltimore, compounded by the fact Patterson is already out. CK should be familiar with most of my post. I pulled it from his week 5 Bleacher Report article. Add Wake & Patterson to the list and it's grounds for what is likely the most injury plagued defense the past 3 weeks.
I don't think the national media has labeled Smith a star, regardless of the NY Daily News headline. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk now Free
He won a bunch of road playoff games and never played bad in any of them. Bust would be a strong term. He just didn't pan out. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk now Free
Actually I agree with you. My response was more a jab at the person who called Smith the biggest bust in Jets history after only five games as the Jets starter. Especially when Smith has led his team to three wins in those five games. I will admit that Sanchez was never better than an average QB in the NFL, who was blessed to be playing with a superior defense in the years the Jets made the playoffs. The fact that he was the QB that led the Jets to two consecutive AFC championship games, would certainly omit him from being considered a bust as an NFL QB for the Jets.
Qb, Five years removed top 10 pick no longer part of your teams plans...bust...don't care if he handed the ball to the #1 rushing attack or sat on the sidelines while the #1 defense helped you get to the playoffs a couple years. Don't worry, our bust was Jake long.
I'm not sure how you compare Sanchez and Long and call them busts for their respective teams. Like it or not, Sanchez was the QB for the Jets who led them to two consecutive AFC Championship games. This is far more than many QB's who have been in the NFL for a lot longer have ever done and they aren't considered busts. I don't think he was worth a first round pick and I don't consider him anything but a very mediocre NFL QB, but when you consider the first round draft picks who have come into the league over the past decade and done absolutely nothing once they came into the league, there is no way Sanchez can be considered a bust. As far as Long is concerned, he was one of the top offensive tackles in the NFL during his first three years in the league. Injuries are what has caused his play to decline the past few years. He is still a much better LT than Martin is right now. So if you consider Long a bust for the Dolphins, what does that make Martin?
Sanchez being dragged along by those team's coattails is a far cry from "leading" them... No one is disputing how good Long was to begin with, but he has been benched in StL already this season and is NOT a "much better" LT than Martin right now. As far as what that makes Martin, it remains - a young player, in his first season as the starting LT. Martin has youth, health, and upside. Long has none of that at this point.
Ok. I'm not going to pretend I know much about QB mechanics. Because I don't. I did read up on Smith before the draft and don't recall reading that, but I'm sure you know what you're talking about. I've read enough of your posts to know you have a solid understanding of the game. Hopefully it is correctable. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk now Free
All of which is more than what Jamarcus Russell, Rick Mirer, Tim Couch, Cade McNown, David Klingler, or Akili Smith ever did. Those guys were busts. Go look at the personnel at those Jets teams and tell me they were great teams. They weren't the 2000 Ravens and Sanchez wasn't Trent Dilfer. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk now Free
it is but it's not easy...the hitch is part of his timing now like cocking a gun before shooting...he can get rid of it but it will mean breaking down and rebuilding his mechanics...honestly no hate it would preclude me from drafting a QB...personally a hitch is a deal breaker for me.
If you get signed to an extension, or huge second contract, you cannot be a bust. Neither guy is a bust. Sometimes the wheels fall off the wagon.
LOL @ fans still whining about drafting a left tackle who was well on his way to a Hall of Fame career before injuries derailed him. ........ and LOL @ the hindsight fans who are so quick to forget that Matt Ryan was NOT a unanimous #1 overall pick. He wasn't even a goddam unanimous #2 overall pick, as the desperately QB-needy Rams passed on him as well. Even at #3 overall there were concerns at the time that Atlanta made a mistake by taking Ryan over McFadden. but noooo, because some fans think it conveniently aligns with their anti-Ireland views they drudge along using it as argument ammunition regardless.
rinse repeat, he's a top 10 pick that will be released after 4 years if play, without compensation....BUST from a franchises perspective. Same thing for Jake..1st overall pick with 3 years if great play, gone from the team 5 years later WITHOUT compensation...BUST from a franchises perspective.. Bust from a GM perspective. You don't spend those kind of resources on players that aren't on your team 5 years later WITHOUT comp..
It might be, might not be, it's just gonna cost y'all some strip sacks from time to time, once coordinators and defensive ends pick up on it, it will become more noticeable.
For the team to draft them that high and not be the ones signing them to that extension, lose them without getting anything in return, while both players are still in prime...personal franchise bust imo.
I've heard he has tiny hands for a QB, which probably doesn't help. Love the guy's arm though. After watching some weak arm Jet QB's for a number of years (Pennington who I loved, and Sanchez) it makes Smith look like he has a cannon. Throws a pretty accurate deep ball, which we really surprised me. He so throws a mean interception, lol. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk now Free
Oh, and this is the first place I have ever heard of Jake Long being referred to as a bust. Never would have even crossed my mind.....not even as a way to irritate Phin fans. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk now Free
Has nothing to do with his hands, you don't have to, I'm not sure how to, but if you post some pics of him starting his wind up til finish I'll show you what I'm talking about.
Let me be clear, if I'm a GM, and I take a # 1 overall pick and that player is playing for another team in his 2nd contract, I consider that a personal failure... As for the player, the # 1 overall pick had three great years, nothing since, and on a bad spiral pointing directly downward...relative to draft spot..not good enough..
