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the making or beaking of Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by the 23rd, Oct 8, 2013.

  1. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    ... more important than anything else in 2013 is not making the playoffs but surviving the season???

    "The Dolphins essentially have three options: Change their personnel, change their scheme or simply play better.
    Philbin all but ruled out the first solution Monday. And if they start max protecting with two tight ends, that would take Brandon Gibson, one of the team’s best offensive players, off the field.
    That leaves only one way to fix that problem: Have the five guys on the line do their job better.
    “He’s the No. 1 priority for us as linemen,” Jerry said. “We have to protect him better. We have to do a better job to help Tanny out.”
    If not, they could end up with a broken quarterback, either mentally or physically. It’s not uncommon for quarterbacks who get bombarded with pressure to eventually start seeing ghosts. Tannehill said that hasn’t happened to him up to this point.
    “I really don’t feel a mental toll,” Tannehill said. “Obviously, we have an issue. It’s been well-documented.
    “We talked about it a lot inside the building,” he added. “It’s something we’re going to continue to work and use this bye week to lock in some ways, screens, quick game, moving the pocket. We’ll use this time to really do that, move forward and cut down those numbers.”

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/08/3677638/injury-becomes-concern-as-miami.html#storylink=cpy

    ... what to do?
     
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  2. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    yes, it is a rhetorical question. having said that, it begs to be answered & addressed. if RT is a sacked another 3 or 4 times against Buffalo, it may be time to consider Moore for the start... not like Moore is chopped-liver. however tough as Tannehilll appears to be, no one can survive being sacked 77 times in a season, especially an inexperienced (developing) qb.
    in my mind 77 sacks & the potential loss of a franchise-in-the making QB makes absolutely no sense. don't want to jump the gun on this one, but it has become obvious to me that we (Philbin) may need to bridle (his) ambitions for 2013 to survive & thrive in 2014.
     
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  3. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    philbin saying they won't change personnel doesn't mean they aren't. as others have said, it's more likely he wanted to discuss that with his fellow coaches abd players before the media
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    We are 5 games in and Frozen Wooly Mammoth just got the memo that "gosh, we have to block for Tanny".

    Perhaps he could text Martin and Clabo this astonishing observation.

    BTW, before last game, Philbin said the same damn thing.


    *Quietly in a corner Lamar Miller and Daniel Thomas meekly raise hands as well
     
  5. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    How does that conversation go? "Hey Matt. Our offensive line is really struggling and we really don't want to see Ryan get hurt. So suit up and give 'em hell!"
     
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  6. gunsmithx

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    I would love to be a fly on the wall for that pep talk lol, not that it would ever happen.
     
  7. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the conversation would be:
    "Matt, this is a career opportunity, make it work."
    Moore is a starter sitting on the bench. he's turned things around before... he is paid to play football & would welcome the opportunity to showcase his abilities.

    just another unsofiscated, pedestrian observation but Garner (at least) should be given a shot at right tackle or guard in the line-up. this group has had 4 games to get it together, which is enough time to gel & show results.
    it's obvious to me that there is either a chemistry, coaching or talent deficit that must be addressed.. if there is no obvious turn around in game six, considering Moore is an option in my book, destroying Tannehill is not.
     
  8. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    Philbin also said Miami didn't need a number#1 wide receiver, but they sure paid a lot of money to Wallace to be a #2 or #3. I hope he's not serious if Claybo keeps playing up to his high standard. It almost seems like some of our offensive linemen are allergic to blocking.
     
  9. padre31

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    I'd think there would be a cig and a blindfold involved in that conversation
     
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    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    or the destruction of a first round draft choice that has already demonstrated to be of franchise quality?

    Moore get's my vote for the execution & I'm sure he would welcome the opportunity. sometimes you have to take a step backward to move two steps forward. let's see what they come up with in the bye week.
    game six will be the crucible. I'm sure the coaching cadre is aware of the situation & will govern themselves accordingly... just don't be surprised if it happens
     
  11. BicketyBam

    BicketyBam No Fist Pumps Allowed

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    You sure you don't want to coax Pennington out of retirement?
     
  12. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    personally, I'd like to coax Pennington out of retirement & into the coaching-cadre for Miami.

    Moore is more than competent if called upon to start.

    it's taken too long to acquire a franchise QB to allow him to self-destruct in hopes of play-off bragging rights.

    maybe I've got it all wrong, but I don't think so...
    let's see if Philbin doesn't pull a rabbit out of his hat during the bye. we have two weeks. if the sacks continue at this rate, I think he has to consider pulling Tannehill for the future of the franchise.
     
  13. padre31

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    Would say, he is heading for a 4k yd season.

    MMoore is fine as starter, not for us, THill is the guy and they will just have to do things better.

    It is one of my Dictums that Staffs, and GM's, are far far to cautious when it comes to both player moves and benching players, I think they should make a move especially at RG as it is low hanging fruit.

    Staffs on the other hand, will happily march out a Marc Colombo no matter how crappy he is playing b/c they buy in to that player, it's foolish, it is how the league works
     
  14. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    What should these lineman/coaches/etc... say? I think people take these interviews far too seriously. While Philbin and Co. aren't Nick Saban, they certainly see the media as an adversary and don't feel the need to say everything that pops into their heads. This isn't a bad thing.

    Can I get a list of QB's who were "mentally broken," 23? I'm pretty sure there were other forces (talent for one) at play with any such names you could bring up. I've never believed that line of thought before. These guys are professionals. They've been hit (hard) more times than they can count their whole lives.
     
  15. djphinfan

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    Nah they were talking the same stuff last week..and they got whipped pretty good...
     
  16. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    many more than one, but we can start with David Carr
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Carr
     
  17. djphinfan

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    I think Tannehill has the makeup to not let it affect his mentals, in fact, I actually go in the direction that if you have someone who has a strong mentality, and memory loss is part of their repertoire, it might actually be the best thing dealing and learning with great chaos in the pocket from the get and have your starting point start there ya know, fu&$ teaching someone while there all happy and chillin back there, I say fu&$ with his soul like ether, then that little extra time he hopefully gets once we add more talent to protect, will seem like infinity.
     
  18. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Interesting. According to Texans fans, it was total lack of pocket presence, leadership, work ethic, and ability to read defenses that ruined David Carr. When Carr was let go, the media leaked tons of stories about all of the above. In addition, Tony Banks put up a QB rating 14 points higher in 2003 with the same oline.

    There's far more evidence that David Carr ruined David Carr. Just another strong armed QB without the mental capability to play the position.
     
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  19. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    hubris...
    you asked a question, you got an answer
    now, you list the developing QB's that have recovered from 77 sacks to go on to excel in the NFL
     
  20. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    It was also interesting when Rich Gannon said Philbin had to stop last Friday's practice because it was going horribly and he spent ten minutes ripping the team. These guys need to get their act together.
     
  21. Rhody Phins Fan

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    It's pretty tough to definitively show that a quarterback was "broken." How does one prove that their failure wasn't just because of lack of ability?
     
  22. bberg

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    don't forget to mention we'll probably get rid of him by the start of next season...

    go get 'em tiger.
     
  23. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    And the answer you gave was easily explained otherwise. Randall Cunningham to answer yours.
     
  24. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    beaking?....

    [​IMG]

    WADR, this isn't addition by subtraction.
     
  25. What about maybe dealing moore to a team for one of there lineman?
     
  26. evz

    evz Feral Druid Club Member

    I eagerly read this thread looking for a spot to crack a joke regarding "beaking", but I can't top that :D
     
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  27. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    fellow dolfanfan Clark Kent:

    John Elway is the most sacked NFL quarterback of all time, at 516 sacks, followed by Dave Krieg with 494 and Randall Cunningham with 484.
    Favre was another great QB with an inordinate amount of career sacks, but like Cunningham was extremely mobile.

    help me out on this one, I don't see any other franchise quarterbacks sacked over 70 times as a rookie, only Cunningham.

    Elway is probably the ultimate success story & a NFL legend. he was sacked his first year 23 times & in his second year 28 times.
    Cunningham would seem to fit the conversation, he was sacked 72 times in his second year in the NFL. having said that, he was the exception not the rule & not a pocket QB. i.e. he was a scrambler & running threat from day one.

    so, I gave you one example & you gave me another. the reality is that it is a rarity for a young QB to survive & thrive after seventy (plus) sacks in year two of a career in the NFL.

    I am no pundit, I am not the coach of the team, only an ardent fan. however, after assisting/watching every game the Dolphins have ever played since day one of the franchise, I understand the importance of a franchise QB to our team & how difficult it is to find one.
     
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    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Paul 13 (about breaking)
    like most of us on the board, I played some football & coached at the HS level...
    however, most of my experience has been in boxing & soccer. have also had some experience in working with attack/guard dogs (schutzhund).
    in my limited experience, you never consistently over-match or brutalize an animal or athlete early on in his training... you carefully bring them along at their pace so as not to break their spirit or physically damage them.
    maybe I'm wrong in the case of RT. perhaps, this principle doesn't apply to NFL QB's. I could be just overly concerned, but I don't think so.
    lots of speculation in my comments & it becomes mute if game six is a fix. we shall see. if the brutalization of our developing franchise QB continues, the subject may not only be relevant but be our first & most immediate concern in 2013. would not be too quick to rule this out ...
     
  29. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    it is definitely an idea & a good one if the talent is available.
    however
    what if the trade doesn't fix the situation? what if the problem is coaching not talent?
    at least with Moore, you know you have a chance of not totally trashing the season...

    I'm sure the coaching cadre & front office are on top of it.
     
  30. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    There's only two who've been sacked 70+ times in a season. Carr and Cunningham. Carr was a lazy POS and his career flopped. His heart wasn't in the game. I'm not worried about that with Tannehill. And if he is sacked 70 times, it sucks... but it's what will happen. We're not benching him, period. No coach would ever consider such a thing.
     
  31. evz

    evz Feral Druid Club Member

    Paul13 was just making a joke about the typo in the thread title :)

    As far as your thoughts, I can understand the worry, but i think you'd lose the team if you did it. Hard to convince them to put out their best if we don't keep our best option in there at QB.
     
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  32. Finrunner

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    Shades of Hitchcock! That poor, little girl is being "beaked" to death!!!
     
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  33. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I suppose that when (not if) Tannehill gets hurt this year, you'll be here to say you told us so eh? :wink2:
     
  34. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    I was in favor of drafting RT from the get-go & am 100% in his corner. my hope is that there is a fix for game six, not a tragedy. please don't misconstrue this thread... I'm only voicing what I have been posting over the last couple of weeks, something that honestly concerns me as a dolfan. I'm sure, if there is any validity to the thread, the coaching staff is on top of it. I anxiously await week six...
     
  35. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    you may be right. having agreed with you, I will add that it is better to lose a battle & win the war. these men are paid mercenaries. they are paid to play football & if the coach makes a tactical decision, they will do their utmost to support it out of self-interest.

    I got the joke... very clever. the levity is appreciated.
     
  36. Onehondo

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    Sheeesh! I never knew that Tannehill was Beaked, that must have been painful, will he miss any playing time from it? First the offensive line is letting him get mauled and now he is Beaked, he is having a rough second year isn't he?
     
  37. ToddPhin

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    I'd hate to see Tannehill with a protruding facemask.... so count me against the beaking.
     
  38. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Tannehill looked like he had been seriously beaked in his last post-game interview... looked like a deer caught in the headlights. the pounding may have already started to take its toll. looking for the fix in six. hate to see the kid reduced to road-kill. the birds of misfortune are already circling. there has been only one Randal Cunningham to date in the NFL. we're asking a lot of our franchise QB in-the-making.

    http://www.miamidolphins.com/multim...nference/a88ab0a7-9c7a-4ebf-84b7-c7dbb38d3d61
     
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  39. Stitches

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    So you're saying no more media sessions after games because the reporters surprise him so much?
     
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    Also for a guy "ruined" by sacks, Carr still managed to spend a hell of a long time in the NFL. If it were sacks that ruined him, and not just him not quite being good enough to be a starter, then he'd have not continually made rosters after his time in Houston. Also, if Carr was "ruined" his rookie year by all the sacks, why did he continue to get better the next two years (and then posts two years much better than his rookie year after that)?
     

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