The Dropsies

Is Mike Wallace really at 6 drops? That's ridiculous. Clay's drops are high too. The rest are average I believe.

 

I thought Gibson officially had 3 for the year, but the sources all vary. The Washington Post, which is usually OK, has Hartline leading the team in drops right now with 2 so I know they're out they damn minds on this one.

 

Who are the sources Emo? I think WaPo uses Stats LLC who are widely used when it comes to stats.

 

Yep, its STATS for the post. They've got Tayvon Austin leading the league in drops right now, but Wallace isn't even on the list. The Gibson drops stat came from Barry Jackson I think, in an article prior to the Ravens game (the context was Wallace and Gibson were tied with 3 prior to the game).

 

Has anyone ever looked to see if varying the QB was more a factor than varying a QB's WRs?

I feel like QB sensing the right timing and touch for a situation and pass have as much or more to do with drops than his WR corps do.

If you look at Manning, Brees or Brady's drops across their careers with varying WRs is there more variance in drops than by trying to compare across QBs (which is challenging if not impossible since to have a fair comparison they would need to be throwing to the same WRs).

 

Offensive playcalling/scheme is another interesting one.

What affect does OC change have on drops given the same QB and WRs. If Sherman's system requires certain routes, QB drops, timing and playcalling then could it contribute.

 

Gibson has at least three...so move'em up the ranks.

 

So Tannehill is leading the league in sacks.

Has suffered from the 3rd most drops.

And has the 5th least rushing yards per game in the league.

It's hard not to get excited about how well he's played considering all of that.

I wonder how we are doing in terms of YAC? I would have to assume we're below average in that category as well - reinforcing the idea that Tannehill is carrying the entire offense.

 

According to ESPN, we've got 495 yards to our opponents 677, with Clay in the lead with 127. Give me a minute to try to check some other teams out...

 

With all these stats beit drops and watching Tannehill trying to pass behind that O-Line regarding sacks and hurries, hits and no running game im beginning to have RT's back no matter what negative bs some guys on here put up with opinions against Tanny. Its not fair on #17 to be expected to lead that Offense with so many negative obstacles. Seriously.

 

I think Lamar Miller has more than 1 drop. Of the top of my head, I remember 2 drops from passes to the flat, each one to a different side of the field.

 

I believe the one you are thinking of was in the preseason

 

Oh..I give up. **** this team.

(Did some advanced numbers work this morning for the fins as well....it is a VERY depressing time to be a fan of advanced metrics and this team)

 

It could very well be.

 

And we are 3-2. Unreal.

 

dumb question - what is the "foot roll" out of bounds "catch" by Mike Wallace considered? That's a play he should have made....

 

Maybe coincidence, but didn't Tannehill have a high number of his passes dropped at TAMU too?
He was 11th in drops last year, but the top ten in drops all had far more attempts.

 

They are hitting Wallace w/some drops mainly b/c they have not played Wr before.

At some point, people realize when your momentum is going one way, and the ball is coming the opposite way, but still in the area, it is more than likely not getting caught.

Think of it as stepping out your front door, then realizing you left your wallet on the table next to the door, in mid step reach back and snatch your wallet.

 

Especially in the NOLA game, wow he went full on Ted Ginn at times.

Thought he had two or so vs the Ravens, think much of it is THill has erratic area accuracy.

 

What's sad is Clay should have more than 4, imo...

 

Back to back weeks with at least 1 play for over 40 yds that was largely YAC, Thigpen and Clay spring to mind.

 

And what are the various attempts per team? Are we also 1st in that? Wouldn't be surprised.

Our inconsistency w our receivers and OL really makes me like Tanny that much more. He gets that pocket awareness down and he's gonna be a monster.

 

Well the definition of a dropped pass is usually "normal effort." But the problem is, what is normal for one person is not normal for the other. The pass to Wallace down the middle where he had to reach back for I would not count as a dropped pass. Perhaps it was Wallace's fault. Perhaps he should have gotten his head around faster. Perhaps he was right and Tanny just made a bad throw. Doesn't matter. We don't have that information. If the catch is made it's a great catch. To me, by definition if it would have been a great catch, it's not a drop.

That said, when I watched the replay I noticed how fast Wallace zoomed across the screen even in slow mo. Once those two get their timing right it's going to be great.

 

Thing is Jd, if the ball is out front, it will most likely be caught w/momentum going down hill.

This, I suspect is why THill has seen so many drops on his resume', it has followed him to the pros, it is still the same story.

Not down on him b/c his missed throws are not wildly off and intercepted, or even tipped into the air for Int's, it is a factor in the drops.

As for Wallace, the last game showed why Philbin mentioned this offense is not meant for the ball to go to one Wr predominately, they were pumping the ball to Wallace and we did nothing, once it was spread around the offense looked great.

 

IMHO that pass down the middle on Sunday was Wallace's fault. I think he was supposed to and Tannehill expected him to squat, instead he kept on running, hence why the ball was behind.

We saw a few poor route running situation by Wallace on Sunday. To mind come the pass towards the endzone where Wallace blocked instead of going for the ball and the result was a ball that appeared to go to no one. Then the late pass where Tannehill expected Wallace to cut to the sideline and made the pass there but Wallace did not cut outside.

I think there is certainly communication and execution issues between these two, however I do expect more from Wallace by now.

 

I think Sims dropped a pass, it was his first pass coming at him.

 

Pretty sure his first pass was the TD (he only has two targets). There was definitely a drop versus the Saints though down the seam. So I do believe you identified the final drop's culprit.

 

Comes back to the offensive line and timing on most. Such as Wallace vs the ravens. That counts as a drop for Wallace but was really a timing error rather than a drop. ( sure he could of caught it but asking a receiver to go against momentum and reach back is never going to be a should of 100 percent caught it even for like a calvin Johnson. Don't think the wideouts are the problem and I can't remember in the last 15 years or so a better group. Wicked impressed by gibsons yard after catch so far since everyone was ragging about that this offseason when we signed him saying he was just a possession receiver. Wallace has stretched the field and the most important thing will be for tannehill to develop timing with Wallace. This guys speed is no joke. He's been open on atleast 5-6 over/under throws. As for Hartline that drop hurt but I can't remember the last time hartline dropped a ball like that. Clay had been a pleasant surprise. Jimmy graham is considered the best pass catching tight end in the league. Calvin is the best wide receiver and guess who was 1 and 2 last year in drops? Yup the best tight end and wr in the league. Even the best drop passes, it happens. These guys are all young and if we can develop a good oline even decent and get a running game then this offense had the potential to be scary good.

 

It seems as if drops are a problem year in and year out for this team.

 

Gates probably has all 8. God, that guy has hands of stone. And he's a lousy kick returner.