Shocked after I went back and rewatched the Ravens game

And I don't have one, because they told me how they do it in a conversation, directly.

 

When the problems are from every unit and eery position doing a bit of everything wrong I gotta blame the coaching.

 

That's a great question and one for the coaches. They should be held accountable, considering how bad the offensive line is at pass protection.

 

That must mean he has the worst O line in the league.

 

I think the question is easy honestly. our line is just as bad in run blocking department. We have a much better chance, like we have already seen this year in the Colts, Falcons, and even the Ravens game, of winning the game as long as Tannehill has the ball in his hands. Obviously, slight more amount of runs would be better to take a little pressure of Tannehill. But like it or not. Our best chance lies within this 2nd year QB. With what...35 career starts at the position? Id say it says something about this kid. But I think its scary when you think of it like that, and how often he is being smacked around.

 

What's your opinion of the job Philbin has done so far?

 

Partially, the other portion is, an overall lack of PROVEN talent.

Consider Dio has his first real playing time, #3 overall pick, forces Pick 6 int by our newly resigned FS Jones.

So far so good

Look at the offensive skill players, granted we added Gibson, Wallace and Clabo, otherwise it's Charles Clay and Bline and really not much else who has shown they can play at a high level.

Thus the stoink off of Clay's hands this after he burned the Ravens for a long gain, that sort of consistency that comes from being a proven veteran (who is good) just is not there across the board yet.

Do not even speak about consistency at Rb, that is not there either.

 

Everybody's always picking on Todd...

 

How would that even the slightest bit of sense to keep as a statistic, then?

 

We lead the league in times sacked..... by far.

Good blocking theory destroyed.

 

If he is not going to get 3 or 4 secs to allow the play to develop then we need to change the routes so they take less time. Remember Danny only held the ball an average of 2.3 sec. I am not comparing Tanne to Danny just saying it can be done.

 

I don't think that's really true to be honest. Our tailbacks are averaging about 3.7 yards per carry. Lamar Miller averages more than that. The league average for tailbacks is 4.00 yards per carry this season. Are they below average? Sure. But they're not as putrid in that department as they are in pass protection.

 

I like some of his philosophies for how to structure a pass offense schematically. I'm pretty certain he knew what he was doing when he asked for a bigger slot receiver like Brandon Gibson. He seems to know what he's doing with a tight end like Charles Clay as well.

But there are definitely some other things that concern me. Consistent lack of commitment to the ground game is one of them. There might be some under appreciation for play makers somewhere in there too.

 

Consider this. The 3 games which Miami ran for good average. ATL(19th), Indy(27th), and NO(32nd). Those are yards per carry against. So the 2 games we actually played a halfway good rush defense, Miller was shut down for 0.3 YPC and 2.1 YPC. BTW, even though I am not a fan of doing this, it works. You take the one run away from him against ATL and Miller averages 3.3 YPC. One single rush and all the sudden Miller is well below average.

 

Shocked to find out that Tannehill is a guy with a small amount of starting Qb experience in college and the pros and needs work with his pocket awareness and escaping the rush? Shocking.

 

Hey CK, just wondering: are you hand timing the snap to sack/ball release?

Thanks

*Didn't have the gumption to read through the entire thread, so apologies if you've already answered.

 

The one thing still frames tell me is that Martin and Clabo are godawful.

 

Yeah, that's a puzzler. Like was said elsewhere, Brees didn't have a 300 yard game until year 3. For Tanny that's like year 6 or 7 if you also count his college games. In reality, he's ahead of schedule.

 

I really don't know what you're arguing. It sounds like argumentation for its own purpose. Is your point that the Dolphins run blocking is less than perfect? Point taken. I already said that. You're pointing out that the ground game can only achieve efficient marks against lower tier run defense. Ok. Point taken. Already pretty much admitted that the run blocking is below average.

But the Dolphins are allowing pass rush pressure to every team. Every single one. The Atlanta Falcons would rank dead last in the NFL in sacks per game if they hadn't played us. We gave them 5 sacks. The Indianapolis Colts would rank #23 in sacks per game if they hadn't played us. We allowed them 5 sacks. The New Orleans Saints would rank #15 in the league in sacks per game, really just an average sack producing team, had they not collected 4 sacks against the Dolphins.

So my point stands. I say the coaches should be answerable to their decision to never run the ball and always pass it considering how poor the pass protection is. You say yes but the run blocking is poor too. Given, it's below average. But it's not near as poor-performing comparatively with the rest of the league as the pass protection. No amount of "oh but that defense weren't any good" or slicing off successful runs is going to refute that.

 

Point taken. But I think the stats show, against decent to good run defenses, our run blocking is just as bad. 0.3 vs. Cleveland and 2.1 against Ravens. You could fall forward for that. I would abandon the run too.

 

To reinforce your point, we're 20th in yards per rush (and surprisingly tied for 6th in rushing TDs).

 

The Ravens weren't setting any rushing records against us but they kept running.....and won...

 

Gotcha. Great athletic ability, bad decision making

 

I don't know how someone can look at this and say the QB is doing a good job managing the pocket.

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Yeah. It would certainly help the down and distance if we aren't going to be running the ball very much. It's the long hand-off theory I suppose. Sometimes they give him outlets, but usually to the sidelines. I'd like to see more of TEs chipping and then releasing over the middle. You might get lucky with some YAC, but even a short gainer can relieve some pressure

 

I remember a press conference with Sherman maybe a week ago when he was asked how valuable pass-run balance was to him, and he pretty much said that for him he saw some value in maintaining balance ( eat up the clock, etc. ), but that Joe couldn't really care less about the balance, whatever the defense gives you you play to that weakness. Honestly it didn't sound like either of them really saw the long-term value of being a power running team like the Ravens showed, where 2-3 yard runs become 4-5 runs later.

 

It just comes down to math. First, which strategy gives the most yards per play, run or pass ( even with sacks factored in ). My guess is passing still averages more than 3.7 yards per play...

There is also the question of distribution of outcomes. Even though most teams have a higher per-play yardage figure when passing vs. running, running tends to have narrower distributions of yards gained/lost. So this leads to more consistency, and if that figure exceeds the magic 4 yards or so, then drives can be sustained without burst plays. In short, we need to do the math on both sides of the ball to figure out if their run-pass distribution is justified; the logic above is not enough.

Btw, it seems that with Miami, Lamar Miller's runs looks a little more like a typical passing game in this respect: a big gain interspersed with several below-average runs. So, another reason weighing against running it more is that we don't seem to have the reliable power runner who can consistently move the chains and build drives.

 

I want to know what happened to the guy on Clay in those frames? He's on top of Clay in Frame 1, and completely gone by 2.

 

I don't know how you could say the QB is not. The pocket collapsed in the time it took for Charles Clay to run 5 yards. That's what 1 second?

 

I'm not sure how you can look at that set of pictures and say that the OL is doing a "decent" job. in less than 3 of Clays steps the pocket is done and and Thill is expected to have any play develop by then. I'm no expert but every week I watch and I see Thill with big bodies in his face or surrounding him. Thill has no pocket presence...right. I'm sure he is being instructed to let things develop but the OL can't consistently run block and a decent pass pro is giving him2.3-2.5 seconds for things to develop. He isn't gonna develop any real sense of "pocket" until he able to experience what real pocket protection is. As long as our OL continues to suck as bad as it has Tanny is gonna continue to perform just as he has. Don't expect him to get much better until his OL does...

 

I've read every response in this thread. Appreciate the work and the pictures. But I still cannot understand how anyone can watch that game and come to the conclusion that the pass protection was even close to resembling anything approaching "not bad". Still frames can paint any picture you want, but when the game is sped up and you account for the fact that the OL is not controlling the line of scrimmage and collapsing in an alarmingly short period of time, the only conclusion you can come to is this unit is doing a pretty poor job.

 

Philbin commenting on when Ryan HAS escaped the pocket..hmmm.

Man, this sh&$ is tough to evaluate..how much has this strict philosophy affected his own style..and if you are so damn adamant on teaching the dude to stay in the pocket and running your offense from it, then do a better job protecting him..

I see GMs point, and I have felt the same about Ryan, but who the hell knows how he is translating the info from the coaches to the field, hell, he's running a lot less than last year..coincidence?, I don't think so.

Hell if Dpate wasn't right, he's been saying this all offseason and I just couldn't get myself to believe it..

 

I think Tannehill can definitely do a much better job of avoiding the sack by moving around. What the stats don't tell you is how often a QB moves a foot in either direction before pressure even develops in the area so as to have a precious half a second more to throw.

The OL is clearly bad, but Tannehill is not helping them. He's a fantastic QB in a lot of ways and I'm excited to see his development, but he needs to shuffle his feet a bit more and get a sense of where he has room in the pocket.

 

No question about that..it's got be this years offseason goal...multitasking thru the pocket..

This offense, no offense, no pocket is always gonna be clean, I know the coaches goal is to strive for that, but clearly there are plays to be made that are not in the rhythm of the offense, the question I keep asking myself and what looks to be more and more evident is that I'm starting to believe that they'd rather take the hit if the pocket collapses instead of breaking the rhythm of the design..and I say that because if you give your Qb the ok to escape, it goes against the big pic of developing him from the pocket...fine line ya know..

 

I don't know why people here exploit a subjective selection of plays and days see I told you RT isn't very good. Is it an ego thing? Who says RT has been perfect? To expect him to be is ridiculous. He may not be as good as Luck st pocket presence, but we had no shot at luck so what's the point?

The question is is tannehill good enough to become a successful NFL super bowl calibur qb? I havnt seen anything to say he won't be.

 

Yeah, from the still images you can't really tell how long it took from one frame to the next... it would be nice if someone could get the time elapsed onto each of those frames so it can paint a better picture.

Or better yet, after doing that, do the same thing with another game, like a Colts game and compare the differences between the time elapsed on each frame, how the pockets look, and how the QB's maneuver in the pocket.