Ed Werder: Dolphins discouraged with Ryan Tannehill

Couldn't agree more. I thought he did a much better job of stepping up to avoid the outside rush vs Nawlins but I wish he'd do away with the slow roll to the outside, especially when the pressure is coming from the left side.

 

much to do about not much...
the simple truth is we had a top four veteran team playing at home in an infamously difficult stadium on a MondayNight against an inexperienced but very talented team. it was a reality check & learning experience. did anyone really expect an undefeated season this year?
will be interesting to see how we come back after being overwhelmed to battle another very good team, that also knows how to win in the NFL. be assured, Balto will bring their best to Miami after suffering a humiliating loss to buffalo.
this has been a brutal start to a schedule for an unseasoned team to play. 3 & 1 is a good thing, 4 &1 will be even better.
I believe we will be a far better team in December than in September. the Dolphin upside will eventually overtake the skepticism & negativity. we are on the right track with the right QB & head coach.
stop whining & enjoy the season.

 

Back to the theory that Ryan Tannehill hold's the football TOO LONG, the following are relevant data points:

1. Ryan Tannehill's average time elapsed before a throw attempt is 2.29 seconds, 3rd-fastest in the league.
2. Ryan Tannehill's average time elapsed before a sack (measured at whistle) is 3.62 seconds, 7th-fastest in the league.
3. Ryan Tannehill's average time elapsed before a scramble is 4.30 seconds, 6th-fastest in the league.
4. Ryan Tannehill scrambles on 5.5% of drop backs where he is pressured. League average is 5.8%.
5. Ryan Tannehill holds the football longer than 2.5 seconds only 36.8% of drop backs, 4th-least in the league.
6. Ryan Tannehill is sacked on 30.0% of drop backs where he holds the ball longer than 2.5 seconds, by far the most in the league.

Now if you want to say that Tannehill doesn't move and shake in the pocket as well as he could, that's fine. But the above shows pretty clearly, damn near mathematically, that the rush is getting to him in the pocket more quickly than elsewhere in the league.

Here's something else for you.

Mathematically, the average time elapsed before a QB throws the football on average is correlating 71.8% with the percentage of drop backs where a quarterback is faced with pressure. Regressing the data points gives us an equation that predicts the percentage of a QB's snaps where he will face pressure.

Subtracting the percentage of time the quarterback actually faces pressure from the percentage of time the formula predicts he will face pressure may give us a view of how quickly the offensive line is letting the pass rush get to the quarterback. In this measure, the Dolphins rank 9th in the league...which means Tannehill is pressured much more often than his average time to throw would predict.

 

Incidentally when it comes to that measure, the top ten offensive lines look like this:

1. Houston
2. Atlanta
3. Arizona
4. Indianapolis
5. Tennessee
6. Cleveland
7. Pittsburgh
8. New York Giants
9. Miami
10. Baltimore

Most of those offensive lines have very well known, very well publicized issues protecting their quarterbacks right now.

 

Seems to show that w/ moderately more time that he could really be putting up some even better numbers.

 

He does hold on to the ball too long sometimes. That is not the only reason he gets sacked. Blown blocks have occurred all along the line and backfield. My confidence in this coaching staff would be tested if I had evidence they, including Ireland, believed they had a good offensive line. Jerry appears to have regressed. Clabo is not the answer on the right side. And I take the top 10 ranking into consideration.

 

So what is your takeaway from this? That D's are ahead of O's?

 

No more than just about any other quarterback in the National Football League, and significantly less than most.

 

I agree this report is BS, and also the Dolphins have not yet played a "Big Game" with Ryan Tannehill yet.

 

That our OL is not good enough right now.

I personally feel like Tannehill is playing much better and faster than he was last year, yet for some reason he's getting sacked 11.3% of the time as opposed to the 6.7% he got last year. Maybe part of it is he isn't tucking and running as much (I really don't know), but certainly can't be enough to cause a 4.6% increase.

 

Beautiful breakdown, CK. Thanks!

 

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Great points. And to the pocket movement thing, Tannehill contributes a tiny bit to this by not climbing the pocket. He sometimes has a tendency to set up right at the point where the tackles are arcing the DE's to.... gotta step up.

Set up at the outside pass rush intersection point... need to slide up a bit as the play progresses. Move up into that pocket, kid.


Maybe he is reluctant because the interior isn't trustworthy either?

 

And...while the timing his dropbacks is cute and all, what really matters is..what is the play call and what do the routes look like.

THill takes a shorter drop with the idea being 1-2 the ball is out to a Wr or Te.

Which is fine, when he holds the ball he is then pressured as the protections are designed for the ball to come out quickly..thus "Tannehill's fault"

Now my quibble with that is why so few check downs to Rb's by Sherman as the safety valve.

 

Holding the ball too long is a crock of crap. Kurt Warner, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Peyton Manning among many other held/hold the ball forever until the play develops and the receiver gets open. Its the lines job to give him at least 3 to 3.5 seconds. If they cant do that GTF off the team. Right now Richie and Pouncey are the only OL worth a poop. I thought Clabo and Martin might be decent enough during the offseason but tackle is definitely a spot to address during the offseason.

 

My anonymous sources have confirmed that indeed Ed Werder has pulled yet another report out of his nether regions.

 

May have answered your own question there.

 

I just sent Ed some love:

 

That's not realistic. No QB's are planning on that kind of time to be able to hold the ball.

Yup. Can't step up w/ Jerry blocking out the sun (the only thing he's blocking).

 

So in a span of three hour he goes from "a franchise quarterback in waiting, having a great year" to "bust that everyone doubts".

This is typical media created bull****. 15 years ago it would have been a bad night from a young quarterback. In the Twitter-verse with instant information everyone wants the next story where they can get hits it "the sky is ****ing falling". **** off Werder.

I told my Wife before the game, "if Ryan has a bad game they are going to tear him apart". He had a rough night. Our pass protection is ****ing awful, his number one receiver was brutal and he was playing in environment where if he made one or two mistakes (which he did) we would lose (and we did).

 

Or that his coordinator is not very bright. The kid needs to be moved around a little bit. Sherman started to do it a little Monday night and then kind of, stopped.

 

Its actually just ed werder. This weeks power rankings were surprisingly understanding of our loss.

...almost too understanding...

 

How is this even controversial? Of course the team is disappointed in RTs performance last week. Monday night was a big game, the first big game of the Philbin Era with RT at QB. He sucked b...s in that game. It was a horrible performance. Hopefully, he's deeply embarrassed and will work much harder to ensure performances like this don't repeat themselves. As for the source, it could have come from Ownership down to a ticket office intern. From top to bottom, Monday nights performance was a disgusting display of football.

 

Oh look it's the ray of sunshine. I guess the season opener against the Falcons was not a big game? Can you had your deep contempt for anything t dolphins?

 

Uhhhhh....what? "Can you had your contempt for anything t dolphins?" I have no idea what you mean by that.

I am not a ray of sunshine or anything else. I think the Phins have a shot (a good chance, actually) to win Sunday vs Ravens. But they must play WAY better thyan they did. I hope they are embarrassed. I hope JP is embarrassed, both coordinators, the QB, Mike Wallace, the DBs, the LBs...they should all be humiliated. And if they have pride, they will redeem themselves.

 

The fact is that there are 16 BIG games every season. Because of the limited amount of regular season games and the fact only six teams make the playoffs in the AFC, every game is as big as the next game.

The NFL is not the NBA or MLB. In those leagues teams can lose many games and still be a playoff team at the end of the season. In the NFL, most years you have to win at least 10 games to even have a chance at the playoffs. Thinking one game is more important than another game in the NFL is absurd. What difference would if make the Dolphins happened to beat the Patriots this season at home, only to lose games against the Jets and Bills on the road?

The NFL is all about making the playoffs. Wins against the Colts and Falcons earlier in the season only become important if the Dolphins can win enough games to eventually be a playoff team after 16 games. Otherwise if the team loses games later in the season against what are now considered winnable games, the only thing these wins would have done is give the Dolphins a draft pick in the middle of next years draft, instead of in the top ten picks.

So far, the Dolphins have played 4 BIG games and they have 12 more BIG regular season games to go. Tannehill and the rest of the team need show that they have what it takes to get this team to the playoffs. Nothing else matters, as far as I am concerned.

 

I agree that a key goal this season should be to win as many games as possible. You are absolutely right that if we lose too many games we may not make the playoffs, so winning is definitely something we want to do.

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The issue to me watching the games, is when he's being run down, he has a chance to throw the ball away and he doesn't. He just tucks it and gets sacked. Those are his fault and his alone. I would like to see him just run away with it more often or throw the ball out of bounds.

 

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Man GTFOH with this nonsense! Three weeks in a row Tannehill seals the deal on knockout punch drives, and has one bad game against the Saints..a super bowl contender...IN THEIR EFFING BUILDING! The O-line is playing like crap, Wallace forgot how to catch the ball (needs to quit pouting). Look I expect a loss at home to the Ravens so we might as well get a cross with some nails ready after that!

So after one bad game the team is concerned with Ryan Tannehill? I bet Ravens and Giants coaches are downright distressed and in need of Xanax over the performance their QB's (two super bowl MVPS) have given thus far.

 

Look, if Tannehill continues to have bad games all the way up until the midway point of the season then i'll say it's time to take a look at Pat Devlin, but the i'd say the chances of that happening are about as slim as me hooking up with Rhianna on a one night stand after meeting her at a bar in the middle of the smoky mountains in East Tennessee.

 

Really? Since when has that stopped being the standard? And provide evidence as to it changing. Always been the benchmark to give 3 seconds

 

I don't disagree with that, they should be pissed.

 

This, THill seems so intent on making something happening he has not mastered the intentional grounding that is just treated as unintentional the ball short hops a Wr by 3 yds or goes over their head by7 feet no flag b/c "Wr in area".

Then again, same last yr until Sherman started moving the pocket.

 

I laughed at what Incognito said "if we give up 72 sacks this season the whole offensive line should be fired". How about if you give up 50 you get fired? So 71 your job is safe huh.

 

I believe!!!


***In the Rhianna part ONLY, that is...

 

I don't think he was trying to hide from anything. He mentioned 72 sacks because that's the literal pace they are on right now with 18 in 4 games, and he was basically saying that if he and his linemates don't get this corrected they deserve firing. I thought it was a good thing for him to say.

 

If the Line can't be corrected soon, and I'm not sure how you do that, save for a couple jaw dropping trades ala the one Cle-Indy pulled off. They may have to wait until offseason to replenish line, but at that point you may just want to add a mobile quarterback like Marcus Mariotta or Taj Boyd (clemson kid) to be able escape continuous pressure while tinkering with the line, saving money for other areas. To fix the line you would have to rely a particular guy in the front office (wont say his name) to rebuild ALMOST an entire O-line, including depth, in one offseason. Some of the names we can start targeting, Michael Oher, Alex Mack, Brandon Albert, Eugene Monroe in FA. Cyril Richardson, Gabe Jackson, Jake Matthews, Taylor Lewin in the draft. But if we go through draft, it might not be until 2015 until cohesion sets in.

 

The thing about Tannehill that does scare me is that his game has resembled David Carr's career, so far. People like to compare him to Aaron Rodgers but on games like this, he's David Carr. I'm not calling him a bust but he's got the mobility and accuracy just like Carr, which is actually a good thing. Those turnovers and all the sacks, granted the offensive line shares blame but there are some coverage sacks. I mean Carr had great moments too but the bad games were really, really bad.