We offered him a competitive contract, he chose StL, that's not us letting him walk. There were reports that we actually offered him more money than the Rams. We let Sean Smith walk, his agent said we didn't even offer him a deal. We let Bush walk too to a lesser extent.
How exactly do you think deals like that work? Do you think that each team gets only one chance to offer money, like in a government contract? No. What happens is there's opportunity for multiple offers, that's what took so long. And these offers aren't necessarily kept a secret between the teams. We had ample time and money to offer more, but we chose not to. What does that tell you?
Serious question.. 1) were top 10 in youth. 2) we hired a good coach,maybe better 3) found a Qb with hi upside who improving and has all the intangibles and measurables. 4) were three and 0. 5) 2nd year with a whole new staff. 6) Ireland took all the blame for the mistakes that Parcells DID make...cause he did make some and there's was only one guy who could of taken the hit. 7) were 2nd in the NFL in terms of current cap space which bodes well for next year.. 8) Ireland had his first coach hired by his boss who obviously couldn't develop talent and has proven incapable of X's and O's. You want the GM replaced is that right?
Where are you getting that? The beat writers at the time and since have reported the offers to be similar but St. Louis offered more "guaranteed" money. I know trusting them is difficult but if you have an independent source, that would be news to me. I have thought all along that Jake Long simply wanted out for whatever reason. Unless out offer was overwhelmingly better he was gone. As to Smith and Bush. Since KC had tampered and had a huge offer on the table early, we simply chose not to play. With Bush, reading between the tea leaves we thought Miller and Thomas were healthier, younger, cheaper, and less likely to lose yards because of dancing before hitting the hole. All these are the judgments a GM has to make and rarely does anyone get them all right. This year though Ireland seems to have hit on more than he missed. But any GM, ANY GM, is going to be judged by "what have you done for me lately!"
According to his wife on twitter, it was very competitive...they had a hard time deciding, but in the end Long had decided to move on, it was rather transparent...
Perhaps so, but that's not the point. The point is he had, in his mind, decided to move on. He wanted a better scheme that fit his strengths, that certainly was not here. I have no qualms about him moving on, as it was his decision, not anything Ireland/Philbin did to push him out... That is the point...
That scheme excuse is BS imo Larry...if you can play ball at left tackle and your a player that you can adapt to any scheme, it doesn't matter enough to uproot your family, unless you know your washed up and your trying to scam the team making you the highest offer.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/19/3292665/offensive-tackle-jake-long-leaves.html http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/sports/football/miami-dolphins-new-task-replace-jake-long/nWwqN/ This is getting outbid. $8 million isn't peanuts. If St. Louis offered $7.5 million and Jake took our offer, he'd be here. That's not letting him walk. Is Jake Long worth $8 million a year? If not, it's not a good decision by Jeff Ireland, it's a stroke of luck STL offered him more.
Jake is only guaranteed $12 million, and it's essentially a 2 year deal unless Jake rips the doors off http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...tually-more-complex-than-originally-believed/
By this logic: we were $40 million under the cap so we could have offered him $39 million a year, but if STL offered him $39.5M, we let him walk. Absurd yes. But that's the natural extension of your argument. Letting him walk is, not offering him a contract at all. Offering him anything is trying to sign him. Being outbid by 10% or less is just barely losing out on him. Telling the media you don't know why he didn't sign here is more evidence we didn't let him walk. We "lost out on him." You have to ask him why he signed over there. Ireland flat out said we tried to sign him, that he put out a competitive offer, and got outbid. But you consider this "letting him walk." Ridiculous.
The funny thing is, if Jake Long was killing it in St. Louis, and Jonathan Martin was getting Tanny killed, all this "we let him walk" stuff would magically be "we got outbid but we tried." If Jeff Ireland knew Jake Long was going to suck he wouldn't offer $8 million. $8 million is the valuation of a very solid left tackle. When we drafted Martin: Local and national beat writers reported similar financial terms between Miami and STL. Where is the evidence this isn't the case? Hard evidence we did not offer a competitive contact. I have seen talk about it, but no links. Not saying they aren't out there, but I haven't seen them.
Would you pay $20 for a Big Mac? It doesn't mean that you don't really want that Big Mac. I think we can all agree that things seemed to have worked out for the best as of right now. But we were in the hunt and tried to retain his over priced services, getting outbid by what seems to be not much. It's jakes ego that definitely did us a favor on this one.
None of that is true. We had money to actually spend without going into cap issues, unlike your analogy. We had room but we had a price in mind for Jake that we weren't going to go over, or we knew what they offered and we went underneath it to put the onus on him to leave. Let's not pretend that seriously low balling Jake or not even trying to sign him would have been the gas on a PR fire that would have burned all the good generated prior. Do you really think that if the issue was money and we wanted him THAT bad, we couldn't have gotten him? Really?
If I had lots of money but wasn't willing to pay $20 for a Big Mac, did I lose the Big Mac or did I choose not to pay that much for a hamburger?
I can only say ireland was smart not to go over what he offered for big jake. That's somewhat a victory for him. But, he did still try to resign him.
I tend to think Ireland deserves credit for not signing him. I think he offered enough to look interested in him and to avoid critism for not trying try to resign a fan favorite while dumping off dead weight onto another team. Just a hunch
could be. From what I remember as being leaked though, he offered about the same. It could be bs, but I'm going by what little info we have.
which is what I said at the beginning. I don't really see it as a failure nor a victory. He made an offer equal, but he didn't get in a bidding war.
Look, we all know what happened...Ireland ate Long's Big Mac and Jake got mad and left for St. Louis because he thought the arch was where they made ALL the Big Macs. Needless to say. By isn't happy about his surroundings these days.
No, the point is, if Miami had offered more guaranteed money, that for better or worse, today he would be a Dolphin. Period. End of story.
