Tannehill moves within the pocket just fine. He didn't lose that ability from college to the pros. Matt Waldman has a blog post that highlights Ryan's ability to move within the pocket and his pocket presence.
I'm pretty sure Osi essentially declared in one off-season that sacks are overrated, and fumbles are where it's at, then proceeded to break the record for FF's in a single season. EDIT: It was 2010 and he was tied by Charles Tillman in 2012. He's 20 off the all-time mark behind John Abraham.
Brady has two ways to remedy pressure. Already having thrown the ball and an amazing offensive line. When Brady is pressured under the condition of still having the ball, the results are not pretty and have never been pretty IMO.
I think the major point here, that I personally buy into, is that yes, his peripheral vision and awareness/pocket moves could be better, but at the point in the play that he gets pressured, most QB's aren't pressured yet. Based on the numbers we've seen, Tannehill wants the ball out around 2.5 seconds. If he's trying to meet that goal on every play, he's not looking to shuffle to buy time. Buying time, based on these figures, is to Tannehill a failure on his part to get the ball out. I can forgive him for that personally.
Excellent article, your best one on B/R to date. Interesting that Armando's latest blogpost from last night is on reasons for Tannehill's sacks this season...
Perfectly said ck... and that is an area I think RT has improved TREMENDOUSLY is ball placement. He is generally leading receivers up the field.
I'm sorry but this is absurd and I'm tired of the whole stats vs. tape argument. Stats & tape are equally valuable and you need both to tell the whole story. One is not better than the other and frankly, its ludicrous to argue that either is. You think you see Ryan holding the ball to long, but you have no frame of reference to compare it to. FACT is he's holding less than just about every other QB in the league, to hold it any shorter would require him to throw it the second the ball touches his hands. What we have is legitimate instances of Ryan not avoiding the rush here and there that your eyes saw. Problem is you're letting those cloud your take on every sack. Eyes lie just as much as stats. Put the two together, however, and we have a pretty good idea of what's wrong, as CK pointed out. In the future, if an argument is based on "just trust me" as yours is, then its safe to say it won't hold up.
I think it's a great article because that's what the article does Fin, it makes me objectively look at my own eyes and reevaluate the situation because of the important data that was presented..when I do that and put it all together, it makes sense, a Brady or manning who are getting more time to throw the football look more apt to shuffling in the pocket, it's at least enough evidence to buy myself some time before coming to too many conclusions. The article also tells me He's functioning at a high level under some real crap conditions ( no consistent run game, below average time to throw) and that gets me pumped up.
I've always said, accuracy is not his problem, just like working the middle of the field is a strength, he may of had some off throws last year for some folks to come to those contrary conclusions, but imo that can happen when your trying to match up with the speed of the game, when he is in a relaxed state of mind with the tempo, the dude can put it on you very accurately, and I think this is what were seeing now, the speed of the game is slowing down for him a bit ( zac Taylor said its the reason for his improvement) and his innate talent to be accurate is starting to flash more consistently..
No doubt. i agree. The article is the perfect example of what I'm saying in regards to needing BOTH stats and tape to get a real idea of the issues.
It's interesting that an article which features 6 moving GIFs that show exactly what happened on the football field in detail through the use of coaches tape, is being criticized by Drowning on the basis of "stats suck, use your eyes!" Statistics are just a communications tool used to represent to someone else an account of what happened on the football field. They're fact-based, as opposed to perception-based, so that's an advantage as perceptions are often flawed and wholly inaccurate. For example I saw James Walker of ESPN's AFC East blog do a film review of the Dolphins-Falcons game and on the first drive he stated on Twitter than Ryan Tannehill held the football for 5 full seconds on the first sack. Except I'm able to show that Tannehill had Osi Umenyiora plowing into his back at 2.7 seconds, which isn't even close to 5 seconds. But that's what happens when you're using perception and not precision. On the other hand, because statistics are so precise and fact-based in their communication of what happened on the football field, they're also singularly-focused, whereas a person's perception of a play can take in more elements. This is why people say that facts-...err, I mean stats...can be misleading. Nonetheless the article focused on showing you a fairly significant number of straight forward VIDEO examples of what I was talking about. It was a marriage of the two elements of perception and fact-...err, there I go again, I mean stats. I often find that people who bring out the whole "stats are useless" argument are a little more interested in obfuscating the truth than illuminating it.
"I don't care what your stats say, Peyton Manning isn't great because I saw him choke in the playoffs." Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk 2
Screw your GIFs. Here are videos Stolen from a PDF (weird?) on phinfever by someone named JP. You can read his take here. Posted yesterday ... http://www.phinfever.com/newsite/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=1002 Sack #1 [video=youtube;G0K17pmOlE8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0K17pmOlE8[/video] Sack #2 [video=youtube;2TJ8kuGrPeI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TJ8kuGrPeI[/video] Sack #3 [video=youtube;5pe5pMVoSCI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pe5pMVoSCI[/video] Sack #4 [video=youtube;fKeuoooph5M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKeuoooph5M[/video] Sack #5 [video=youtube;b-vYUdYZnvw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-vYUdYZnvw[/video]
I personally like the GIFs better because I can really isolate and magnify certain details of what's going on during the plays.
That first one sure looked like he was locked in, maybe not to one receiver but definitely to one side. If he would have scanned the field perhaps he'd see (a) receiver open, (b) the free defender. I would ALMOST pin point that on Tanny. Second one is a whiff by Sims. Third one is borderline. Should Tanny have seen that blitzer as he's peering to the left side? Or maybe, his head is there but his eyeballs are to the right Fin D style! Daniel Thomas is getting Tanny killed.
Third one if you pause the video, you can see his head is around and still has some time to try to throw the ball. He clearly looks at the wr being wide open on a cross...
The part about Sack #3 that not enough people pay attention to is how Richie Incognito slammed into Tannehill during his pull. Tannehill is blamed for not being able to get the ball into the vacated zone but the fact of the matter is Incognito threw him off balance, knocked him off his spot and out of rhythm and he just didn't have enough time to recover and locate the receiver as the blitzer came in untouched. His thumb is a little slow on some of those plays. I had a freeze frame of Tannehill being contacted by Osi Umenyiora at about 2.6 to 2.7 seconds, not 3.0 seconds.
No doubt about that. It really threw him off. The question is, whose fault on the bump? I keep watching it and I can't decide. Tanny knows Cog's is going to pull, right? Is he to slow to step back? Does he turn to the wrong side? Etc. etc. Or, "sh** happens"
I've been confused by that play as well wondering what went wrong. Regardless, should RT have seen that blitz and gotten out of that play? There was one other time in particular that he ran the ball into the "stacked" side of the D which I thought was a bad call.
It's kind of an everyone thing but I did put it more on Incognito than Tannehill. You can nitpick Tannehill and say that his first step out from under center wasn't long or quick enough. Looked pretty normal to me, though. Incognito floated back too far on his pull, and it doesn't help that his half a breath delay before he starts the pull was more like a quarter breath. Mike Sherman essentially blamed himself completely for the play and I'm inclined to agree.
A) It might not have been a play Tannehill was allowed to get out of, or at least the defense might not have been showing something that allowed for him to get out of the play. B) If you really look the corner did an excellent job disguising the blitz until the final moment. He never even moved his head. He reacted purely off the movement of the receivers. Tannehill didn't have any reason to think the guy was blitzing and by the time he could have noticed, he'd been knocked around by Incognito and had a little trouble re-locating the defense.
Sack #1 is nowhere near 3 seconds. I've measured it 10 times just now and consistently come up with 2.65 - 2.75.
Very clear, and timely article CK, that well defines a problem that not only has limited the acheivements this team has struggled to attain, but threatens its very opportunity of continuing to compete at this level. Its fair to conclude we've been very fortunate up to this point, that an injury has yet called upon Moore to manage the helm.
Personally, I'm not seeing anyone open. Especially not in a time frame reasonable enough to get to your third receiver. Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk 2
Right before the contact is made, you can see his throwing motion begin. Just not enough time considering circumstances. Sent from my GT-P3110 using Tapatalk 2
CK.... Listen to the LeBatard Show today (10/23/13). I gave him a breakdown of your article, as well as the link for him to talk about it.
i just hope the beating tannehill has taken is not going to stunt his growth and really effect him mentally.
