Defensive Line Off Season Got Much More Clearer After Today

it was pretty obvious before today, but its blatant now.

 

Paul Soliai made more money today than any other time. Lock him up, now.

 

Starks was one of the main reasons Miami won. When Miami allowed him to play without all of the stunting he stood up Rodgers and got quite a bit of push up the middle. They need all three guys.

 

I'd rather keep both personally.

 

I agree that as soon as we changed our scheme a bit Starks and Odrick began to play much better.

I really don't think its plausible to keep all three players though without pissing someone off or stunting Odrick's growth, which would be a shame.

 

Must keep both..

 

well, if we're on our way, then maybe you do just that.

ravens bet it all last season, and it paid off. they're clearly not as good this year and playing a lot of young guys, but they have a ring...

 

I don't see how we sign both Starks & Solai. We have a bunch of guys we need to resign this offseason. Grimes, Clemens, Incognito...not to mention upgrading RG, RT.

 

Your right, it's going to be tough, we've got to spend some loot on a right tackle..sometimes football isn't fair, that's why you have a scouting staff and GM, when you have to make difficult decisions like this it's a good sign..

 

I would think Starks would be the higher priority since a run stuffing DT is easier to find from a roster standpoint. A pass rushing DT is MUCH harder to find IMO. Are there any players on our roster or practice squad that could replace Solai?

 

IMO both Soliai and Starks are gone.

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I sure hope not. Today didn't play out the way it did because we didn't have Soliai, it was because we've got a roster with no 1-techniques besides him and got a little clever with the game plan to compensate.

If Kheeston Randall started today, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

IMO, both Soliai and Starks are both better than Jared Odrick.

 

I think they can make it work as far as contracts go. It might take a little bit of re-structuring and it's likely they'll cut off FA but I doubt they'll let things fall apart. They'll have to make due with draft picks and sifting through players on the right side of the OL. There are some RTs that could definitely fill the RT hole next year. They've picked a number of guys in the secondary at safety, filled the LB spots, if they re-sign the two DTs, they've got a full stack on D. On offense you have a more or less full group outside of the right side the OL which means you can send a high pick that way, filling in for value the rest of the way.

It's no coincidence Miami turned it around when their two big guys inside were allowed to play ball their way.

 

uhh DUH

 

Give Big Paul what he wants.

 

Been saying this all along... The guy has developed into a good fit. The problem is that some 3/4 team looking for a NT will be willing to pay the man... Starks is very good as well, but not as needed as Soliai. They schemed Odrik and Starks effectively with Soliai being out but this DL is dependent on Soliai doing his thing...

 

Nice try, David Canter.

 

Although when it comes to stuffing the run, the Dolphins didn't look much better against Indy last week. And they had Soliai for much of that.

 

Happiest person today??

Paul Soliai's agent......

 

I think we were just trying to be too cute in the first half. Starks and Odrick are both good enough to take up blockers without using stunts and crap. We fixed this in the second half and did a much better job. Its actually Ellerbe that I'm disappointed in, he looks slow and out of shape to me.

 

As to who we keep, it's an interesting dilemma.

They're the same age, though Starks has three more seasons on his body (and Paul didn't play a lot early in his career). While Soliai is the only big man, 1-technique we have on the roster, he's also a two-down player. Starks is a three-down guy.

I think Jared Odrick has as much to do with who stays as either of them.

 

At last we saw, Soliai's agent was claiming he would not play for the Dolphins next year period and he was hoping Jeff Ireland got fired.

I don't like the idea of paying Paul Soliai what he could likely get in the open market, much less paying him a financial apology. You can pretty much pick 2/3 of cheaper, more dominant run defender, or a pass rusher at the position in any given off-season market, and 3/3 certainly isn't outside the realm of possibility.

 

Yea I 2nd this notion. I think the run defense had more to do with the ends not setting the edge and the LBs not attacking the line.

 

Wait,wait,wait................Keep in mind; Starks,Soliai, and their respective agents are really pissed off with the way this administration has handled them both recently and in the past.

It is highly unlikely that either of them are going to sign with the Dolphins. Both have already been franchised previously the cost would be prohibitive. I would guess a tag would be over 10 mil for either one in 14. With that cap we could sign 2 or 3 other veterans.

Have you looked at next year's DT free agent market????????????????????????????????

Henry Melton was the big name but it looks like he just tore his ACL.

Starks and Soliai will be at the top of the free agent market along with..........Alan Branch?

Nobody should be counting on seeing either one of these guys in a Dolphins uniform next year.

Adjust your 2014 mock drafts accordingly. I reckon Louis Nix will be long gone when we pick.

Trading up for Will Davis was really stupid IMO. We could have used that pick to at least try to draft and develop a decent rotational DT. Vaughn Martin just sucks. He was awful in San Diego. I wanted to sign Desmond Bryant really bad last offseason but instead he went to the Browns for dirt cheap. Yuck, I could puke. Starks should already have been gone, and the 8.5 mil spent on Bryant and CB Keenan Lewis.

Grimes isn't going to be easy to resign either if he stays healthy. How much do give an over 30 CB?

 

To me, it's simple. You sign Soliai first, and if you can figure out a way to keep Starks, great. If not, you keep plugging along with Odrick, who I believe is a Starks in the making. Don't go too crazy, though, trying to sign both, as, in addition to others, like Pouncey, it won't be too long before we have to hand out a monster contract to a certain QB.

Remember the hub bub over the "offset language" in Ryan's rookie deal? Guessing that won't matter at this point. Ross is going to be writing a very big check for him!

 

I think Cantor is just a very emotional guy. I kinda like that about him on Twitter. I think that will be a bit overblown, and ultimately, $$ will talk there.

I mean, Cantor posted a post-game pic of Dolphin fans celebrating in the concourses after the game yesterday. He's still very much a pro-Miami guy.

 

Yeah, our dline is in shambles and our cap is the worst ever. We're a such a disaster, its like having Lindsay Lohan and Charlie Sheen watch your kids. Luckily, you're around to give our FO the necessary advice to right this sinking ship.

 

I'm not impressed with his professionalism, really.

 

I'll give you that, he's a non-traditional agent. He went too far w/ his recent twitter criticisms of Ireland and the Dolphins. Still, that's what makes him interesting too.

But yeah, he does need to dial it back a bit, or he may end up hurting his clients in the end, or losing future ones.

 

Been saying a long time that Soliai makes the most sense to keep as Odrick is more akin to Starks in style and role. If the Dolphins got rid of Soliai they'd have to make a significant 1-technique acquisition during the off season.

That could happen, I don't think it's a particularly hard position to acquire, but then why not just "acquire" the guy you know that has worked well in your system?

As it is, getting rid of Starks will mean a semi-significant acquisition of a player to groom behind Odrick (my suggestion is Aaron Donald of Pitt, should he not end up a 1st rounder). But that is less pressure than knowing you've got to acquire someone to start and play an important role immediately.

 

This kind of posting is just so worthless and you do it all the time. If the posts had any substance I would put up with the negativity, but there just isn't any.

I will be using the ignore list function so you might as well stop directing your posts at me personally, I won't see them. Bye.