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Takeaways from Miami's 23-10 Victory over Cleveland

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    If this is what you believe then you believe that almost every sack that almost every quarterback takes is his fault. If that's your opinion that's fine, but you'd better be consistent with it.
     
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    Carroll, Shelby and Clay all playing well is a really good sign for us.
     
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  3. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    Nice writeup ck, and I always appreciate the stats.

    My take-aways from this game:

    1. This D is as good as I thought they'd be.
    2. Sherman isn't going to throw out the gameplan if one receiver isn't producing.
    3. Haden is a good CB, Wallace should only be upset with himself for wasting his chances. Obviously Sherman didn't want to throw too much on film for Indy. I have the feeling Wallace is going to go big in Indy.
    4. We can't allow TE's to beat us continually.
    5. RT is going to have a great year. He showed improvement in every part of his game.
     
  4. ATLFINFAN

    ATLFINFAN Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What do you think was the reasoning for not have Tanny roll out a lot more since the pressure was high? Were the ends cutting him off to soon?
     
  5. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    I'm guessing that they would prefer to do this off of play-action, which was rendered moot.

    I also don't recall seeing any draw plays

    It seemed like half of the playbook was thrown in the trash at some point
     
  6. Fin D

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    Because they didn't need to.
     
  7. mbsinmisc

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    This is from memory, (and the late 70's and 1980's wreaked havoc on all parts of my body ), Tannehill was using more 7 step drops in the second half. He has plenty of arm, and I thought it was an adjustment made at the half. It might have just been a result of more routes being called with Wallace as the primary.
     
  8. ckparrothead

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    I actually have long been a believer that most sacks are ultimately determined by the quarterback since he's the person with the football in his hands that could decide whether a sack happens or not by getting the football out of his hands, or scrambling. But how that translates is, the tendencies of the quarterback go a long way in determining the variance of sack rates throughout the population sample.

    What I was getting at with Ryan Tannehill in this game is that his tendencies during the game were closely proximal to the tendencies of quarterbacks that get sacked the absolute LEAST in the NFL, yet he was still sacked four times. That's why it's absurd to me seeing people go "te absolvo" on the offensive line for those sacks and claim that they were Ryan Tannehill's fault. They were only his fault to the extent that every sack of every quarterback is that quarterback's fault.
     
  9. CantinaJack

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    If someone told me before the game that somone was going to go balls out and help beat their old team... I would have said Bess in an instant. Fortunately for us it was DPat. I hope he isnt sidelined by whatever injury he had.
     
  10. SICK

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    And we had a "bad game" but most accounts.

    We put this game on Tannehills shoulders, he was throwing when the Browns KNEW he was throwing everytime.....and he mastered it. ****ing awesome job by 17

    His 4th quarter numbers were boner inducing.
     
  11. Oboy

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    Lets give them a few games before we say back to the drawing board. Was it bad? Heck yeah, that oline played HORRIBLE. I did not examine every snap, but I can't really remember anyone having a great day.

    Good article Chris, I really like how our pass rush got after the QB once we had a lead. Imagine if our offense actually starts playing well from the start of the game. Maybe get a lead early and get to have the defense play like that for a good portion of the game! Wow, that'd be fun!

    I was pretty happy with most of the game, only three real negatives... OLINE was HORRIBLE, we still can't cover TEs, and I thought we'd be more creative to get Wallace the ball...
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    I'm not sure I buy the explanation from Patterson that he was held out for the rest of the game just as a precaution. I did not note when exactly he left the field but the game was not truly out of reach until about 2 minutes left in the game, and even then we've seen comebacks like that before. If Dimitri Patterson could've gone, I think he'd have been out there.
     
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  14. Tin Indian

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    The o Line was awful yesterday. Tannehill was most definately not holding the ball too long any argument contrary to that doesn't hold water. We certainly couldn't run block yesterday, seemed like every handoff there was 2-3 guys in the backfield ready to hit whomever the RB was. Pass blocking was marginally better. Granted the browns have a pretty darn good front 7 as well but they were missing one of their key guys in the middle and we still couldn't block.

    I was pretty happy with everything I saw on the field yesterday except the oline. Hopefully they will improve as a unit or it could derail the whole season.
     
  15. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    I believe I saw a Tannehill quote about the Browns coming out and surprising them with the coverage they played. Any idea what they did that threw the Phins off to start the game?
     
  16. SICK

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    The browns board is fawning over Tannehill and how lucky we are to have him. They were comparing him to Rodgers, Kaep, Luck etc with his athleticsm and big arm.

    One Browns fan said "QB is like a women. You know right away if they are a good one, like Tannehill. And with Weeden you know theres better but you're stuck with them so you make excuses to make them seem better until you have an ugly break up"

    lmao awesome anology!
     
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  17. GMJohnson

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    For a guy with his foot speed and athleticism RT could be a lot better with recognizing and reacting to pressure. Like the previous poster was saying, it's not like there were 4 jail break-no chance whatsoever sacks. I'm not going to blame him for the sacks but he didn't do his linemen many favors either.


    Great article, BTW. The Herald and Sentinel should fire MandOmar and just copy/paste.
     
  18. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I feel like one sack might have gone on Tannehill. I think it was the last one. I felt like he could have stayed put and would have been ok rather than tucking and running upfield. That said I don't know what was happening down the field. I thought he had a really good game overall. It's what we'd hope to see in Year 2. Get that guy a running game and some better blocking.

    Defensively, that was a lot of fun. They'll get stiffer tests the next three weeks, but this is what you want to see. They did what top defenses do to the league's lesser offenses. And Brandon Weeden took a beating.

    And what a nice change on the turnover front. Instead of the occasional missed opportunity, we had three takeaways and several more close calls. It's just different out there. You even saw it on Derrick Shelby's sack. They're hawking the ball and looking to take it away.
     
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  19. ckparrothead

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    What's going to be interesting to me is whether the Dolphins can run the football any better against the Colts next week.

    Last year's Colts defense could be reliably run on by just about anyone, I believe. This year they revamped it a little from a personnel standpoint. If you look at the broad rushing statistics from yesterday you'd think the changes have not taken root at all. However most of that rushing success was Terrelle Pryor being a running quarterback. Darren McFadden and Rashad Jennings combined for only 50 yards on 19 carries which is a paltry 2.6 yards per carry. I think much to our own frustration Ryan Tannehill doesn't seem able to hit defenses up with rushing success like other running quarterbacks such as Pryor, Newton, Griffin, Vick and Kaepernick.

    So it will be interesting to see if everyone goes into the game thinking the Dolphins will get things straightened out on the ground against what looks like a weak run defense, only to find that they're also a strong run defense.
     
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  20. 77FinFan

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  21. vt_dolfan

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    So...after the first game this season CK....if you had to have someone nail your *** to the wall with a prediction, you think Tannehill is the guy we been waiting for?
     
  22. ckparrothead

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    The thing about the sacks is, I look at the player's performance. It's really that simple.

    Let me give you an example of a play where I would not attribute the sack to the offensive lineman in question. On Dion Jordan's sack, Dion was blocked. He was blocked pretty well, too. So well that Dion didn't even bother committing further to a pass rush. He just sat and spied on the quarterback to see if he would be forced to scramble, and then Dion could take off like a whip crack and give chase. That was the only way he was going to beat Joe Thomas on the play. That ended up being what happened. Weeden started scrambling, ran right into Dion Jordan, Dion grabbed Weeden's facemask and got the penalty while technically also getting the sack since the personal foul is not a dead ball foul. On that play I'm not attributing a sack to Joe Thomas. And I'm damn well tempted to take it away from Dion Jordan as well, because of the facemask.

    But on each and every one of those four sacks Ryan Tannehill took, there was at least one offensive lineman getting his *** handed to him in pass protection. And on each and every one of those four sacks Ryan Tannehill took, the lineman that was getting his *** handed to him the worst also happened to let up the guy that sacked the quarterback. There's no absolution here. Even on the play where Tannehill pulled the football down and ran up into the guy Richie Incognito was "blocking", Richie was getting his *** handed to him by Desmond Bryant on that pass rush. Had Tannehill just stood square in his spot, Bryant would have flashed right in his face forcing him to scramble.

    So yeah. That sack goes on Incognito. Just as Quentin Groves got a sack on Jonathan Martin. Just as Desmond Bryant also got a sack on John Jerry. Just as Paul Kruger got a sack on Tyson Clabo.

    There are no excuses to be made here. Those occasions when Ryan Tannehill pulled the football down because of the coverage, he was making a GOOD decision. If the blocking in front of him were not so BAD, Ryan turns those plays into positive gains. But because the blocking is poor and pass rushers everywhere are getting free of their blockers, collapsing the pocket, etc...he ends up looking like he's not handling the rush properly.
     
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  23. ckparrothead

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    Sorry. I don't know why the slideshows don't work for some people.
     
  24. FinSane

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    Clearly, Pouncey was our only solid OL all day yesterday.
     
  25. SICK

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    He was even standing in the backfield watching Miller get bruised some times.....

    On that note, anyone else get REALLY pissed everytime Miller was on the ground not one lineman ever helped him up? WTF was with that? Remember after hardknocks last year Philbin begging guys to help Reggie up after a tackle, ESPECIALLY after a tackle for loss with no run blocking....those guys need to pick their boy up!
     
  26. vt_dolfan

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    IIRC....

    Didnt our offensive line start out horrible last season as well?

    Just talking a look....Week one we had 20 rushes for 76 yards and no TD's. Also gave up 2 sacks...and from what I remember alot of heat on Tannehill.

    The following week against Oakland much different story...43 rushes for 263 yards and 4 TD's and only 1 sack given up.

    I think we will all feel much better about our Oline after next weeks game against Indy, whos front 7 arent nearly as Staunch as what Clevelands was.
     
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  27. HULKFish

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    Exactly! I think the Colts are in trouble, and once that happens and we're 2-0, some people, namely the Falcons, are gonna take note. I'm predicting a big game for Miller AND Wallace in Indy.
     
  28. vt_dolfan

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    And...

    I realize New Orleans has Rob Ryan as their new DC...but they were able to hold Atlanta under 20 pts, this was a defense who couldnt stop a cold last year. I actually feel very confident we might very well be looking at a different first 4 games then we initially thought
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    I feel very confident that we might very well be looking at a different New Orleans Saints team that is bound at the very least for the NFC Championship Game, if not for the Super Bowl.
     
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  30. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    Possibly. ATL may not be as good either, esp. if we play them on grass at home
     
  31. 72 Dolphins

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    My takeaways...

    1. Tannehill was lights out awesome. "B" on the grade - I don't see anything but a Solid "A" for Tannehill, I understand the reasons why you gave him a B, but a QB is never going to be "perfect" under those conditions, which were as bad as a QB can play under. Anyone that even remotely attributes the 4 sacks to Ryan, has never played QB. As a QB you have to trust your offensive line to get it done, as your eyes aren't on the pass rush. Your eyes are downfield on your progressions. Also, Tannehill missed some throws and tossed a INT, yes however, with the offensive line play and ZERO running game, he had the most difficult set of circumstances a QB can have and he STILL got it done. Why? Because that guy was making lightning quick decisions and laser accurate passes out of the pocket. Tannehill was GOLD yesterday, and we don't win that game without him. Also, the way he handled Matthews, when that idiot was begging the Ref for a personal foul, was pure LEADERSHIP. That is exactly the way I wanted to see him handle that. "GET YOUR @%@#@@ STUPID @#%! off the field. (First time I have ever seen Ryan pissed off - I loved seeing that take charge moment and that moment means as much to me as his FANTASTIC performance.)

    Cameron Wake - Dare I say H.O.F. - Man is that guy explosive to the QB. 2.5 sacks should have been 3 - they gave Starks a mop up .5 but Cam had it wrapped up well before Starks showed up.

    Caleb Sturgis - I think we have our kicker for the next decade.

    Offensive Line - This one was as obvious as it gets. Get used to the no running game and high sack totals. This unit is bad. It won't be much longer before Lane Johnson with the 3rd pick will appeal to more of you. This defense doesn't need Dion Jordan. Tannehill - Miller - Wallace - Gibson - Hartline - Clay - How much better can this offense be, with a solid Offensive line. (Dare I say this team is one offensive line from kicking New England off the top). Shame

    You can beat Cleveland with a 0.9 Rushing Avg. and 4 sacks that isn't even close to getting you to the playoffs.
     
  32. PhinsRock

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    Sorry Fin D, what Martin are you talking about? Do you perhaps mean Lamar Miller? Not being critical in any way, just can't figure our what Martin we have on Offense except at LT. Pardon my old age, memory is the first thing to go. :shifty:

    This was a tough game to watch, I was disappointed we waited til 2nd half before even looking at Wallace, and the OL showed me they are the biggest weakness of this team. Liked what I saw from Tannehill for the most part, but if we don't grow a running game there's no way this is a winning team, despite how great the D played.
     
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  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I thought the second half wasn't tough to watch at all.
     
  34. Fin D

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    hahahaha. Yup. My bad. thank you for catching it.
     
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  35. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    The higher his post count gets, the worse it gets...he'll be calling Tannehill Henne pretty soon...
     
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  36. djphinfan

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    Maybe the mods would allow you to pastes the pages in your post because its your work?

    I liked the depth Ryan is getting on his 7 step drop, he's got the velocity to make great throws from that depth, and it helps out the oline.
     

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