What Should The Dolphins Do With All Their Money/Cap Room??

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  1. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Ironically the day after overthecap went live, Spotrac's numbers changed to match OTC's numbers.
     
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  2. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    true story.

    Notable 2014 free agents:

    DB Nolan Carroll
    T Tyson Clabo
    DB Chris Clemons
    DB Brent Grimes
    OL Richie Incognito
    OL John Jerry
    TE Dustin Keller
    LB Koa Misi
    DT Paul Soliai
    DT Randy Starks

    For me, the priority re-signs are in bold. Going to be a choice made between Soliai and Starks. Ironic that both of them turn 30 this December. Anyway, I thought we had more free agents coming up than this. That list is really manageable.

    Now, with all that potential 2014 cap room that CK has disclosed, we could be poised to add at least one or two big names in free agency.

    TE Jimmy Graham, LB Wesley Woodyard, CB Charles Tillman, S Antoine Bethea and Jairus Byrd pique my interest.

    Side note... I didn't know that Evan Rodriguez is still working on his rookie deal. He's signed thru 2015. That's fairly significant. IMO he's a lock to make the team.
     
  3. RoninFin4

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    I think Clemons and Misi would be the next two up to bat after Grimes and Soliai. Definitely agree with your top two.
     
  4. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The Dolphins might be the best team in the NFL right now in terms of salary cap management.
     
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  5. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Never going to happen. Won't even see the light of F.A. Although, Greg Olsen is a FA too. If he has a big year, I'd be interested...
     
  6. FinsUp

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    Carroll, Jerry, Starks, Keller (unless he makes an amazing recovery) will probably be gone. I expect the others to stay.
     
  7. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    hard to disagree although I honestly haven't looked at other team's cap situations. If they are as good as we think they are, how big of a positive for Ireland is it when Ross sits down with him after this season about his possible contract extension? I think the ultimate barometer is wins and losses. But I can't dispute that the cap management outlook wouldn't help his job status.
     
  8. Stringer Bell

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    I'm not sure this falls at the feet of Ireland. The team wasn't in great cap position until Dawn Aponte took over.

    What will help Ireland's job status is that there is an obvious internal salary cap with the Miami Dolphins. This makes Ireland's performance look a little better, and at the same time is something that would limit Stephen Ross' options in searching for a new GM.
     
  9. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I don't see that the reason for the salary cap situation is due to Aponte, she's part of the process, but not the whole thing. This team/Ireland and co have been fighting to get the cap in line since he got here. Remember it's been a mess for years...Aponte is one of the tools he uses for that purpose. Every team has a person in charge of the cap...that's NFL Business 101, but the reason for the cap shape isn't solely because of Aponte...

    On the other hand, Ross could be pulling the strings with money, thru Aponte, so that IF he decides to boot Ireland, he won't be strapping the incoming regime/gm...

    Either way, it's good for this team, whoever is or is going to be pulling the strings...
     
  10. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Lol... I haven't looked at all the facts but I disagree.

    Classic Paul.
     
  11. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    With $50m plus potential in cap room for 2014, I would assume they are top 5. Best though (as dpate says)? That would require more research. Get to work hippy.
     
  12. CantinaJack

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    dang, I dunno who's in charge of our cap, but whoever it is, they are owning that biotch...:shifty:
     
  13. jason423

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    Hey guys Im the person who runs the overthecap site and I came across this thread today. On the site you can view the cap estimates for next season at http://overthecap.com/nfl-cap-space2.php?Year=2014

    Miami is currently around $112 million in cap commitments of which (as already pointed out here) they will eliminate Moore and Patterson to create around $9.5 million extra in cap. Id imagine their carryover will end up in the $17 million dollar range. They are at $22 mil or so now and 2 million of that will immediately come off next week when rosters go to 53 and Practice Squads are signed. Factor in some injuries and such and $17 million is probably a fair figure. That will bring them into the season with around $38 million in cap space assuming they don't re-sign any players. Their carryover was improved because they were earmarking over $9 million for Branden Albert and the trade fell through. Miami also will have to pay an increased salary to Cam Wake who has incentives based on sacks which would seem to be a given that he gets.

    I touched a bit on them here http://overthecap.com/utilizing-free-agency-to-build-a-team/ and some of the uniqueness of the situation with the cap room. Essentially if the team is good this year there are a number of free agents that will eat up the cap. If the team fails they could just blow up and start over.

    The one thing about next season is that, if teams want to get into a bidding war, there will be a number of huge cap room teams. The Raiders, Bears, Jets, Browns, and Jaguars will all have huge cap space. Historical amounts for some of them. $40 million in cap room could see a team being outbid which is pretty wild. Thats a byproduct of the CBA eliminating the salary cap floors.

    As far as best run franchises usually the Packers and 49ers are generally considered the best run franchises. Miami has essentially been in a holding pattern to create the cap room. I think Aponte is considered an extremely tough negotiator with rookies and their own free agents. Im not sure about outside the organization because they handed over major dollars to players. All told I would think there is a better chance that she remains running the cap than Ireland being the GM next season. If they dont make the playoffs Id be pretty surprised if he is retained.

    And yes the Spotrac story is true which is why we are now listed as a source for some of their contracts signed after free agency this season
     
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  15. Phoenician Fan

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    There is no reward for the team with most cap room, nor should there be.

    The FO isn't doing a good job when they have a lot of cap room; they are doing a good job when the personnel they have acquired win games on the field.

    Ireland is a freaking idiot and Stephen Ross isn't the big spender he is made out to be.

    I would much rather be in cap hell on a yearly basis and be a perennial powerhouse team. Steelers are always in cap hell but they also win titles on a regular basis.
     
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  16. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    welcome to the site, thanks for the info. We have a salary cap forum here too. Feel free to add to it if you have the time :wink2:
     
  17. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    The Steelers are a poor example of good cap management.
     
  18. Phoenician Fan

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    They keep their own good players and barring injuries they win.

    When Big Ben, the DL and Palomalu have been healthy, they make the playoffs.

    Two Super Bowl wins and one loss in the last decade along with several playoff appearances.

    I would say the organization is doing it right.

    IMO drafting good players and keeping them on your roster by spending your cap is a better system than drafting bad players and desperately signing over priced FA's like Dansby and Richard Marshall.

    Winning is the only true test of cap management; unless of course your a bad owner and the bottom line is more important than winning.
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    The reward is money?

    And to be clear, Ross is a big spender. He's paying a boatload on debt servicing.


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  20. Stringer Bell

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    The Steelers are heavily subsidized by their market. You're comparing apples to oranges. Compare the Dolphins to other teams that have received $0 in subsidies.

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  21. Phoenician Fan

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    All I am comparing is gross mismanagement to good management.

    Your post is absurd, and doesn't apply to the thread, which is about how to optimize the team's talent using the cap available.

    If Ross has his own financial issues he has no business being an NFL owner. Those kind of franchises are being phased out anyway by the increasing cap minimum.

    Look for some teams to be sold in the next couple of years.
     
  22. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    Steelers cap issues are much more recent, like last couple of years. They used to let older guys go and replaced them with good draft picks, but they've of late been reluctant to do so. There's a guy who does a fantastic job with the Steelers cap stuff named Ian Whetstone, he'd be able to really lay it out.

    Cap hell is largely overplayed, but what it does is prevent you from adding. I generally determine good cap management by sustainable winning, and the Steelers are headed for trouble currently. Correctable? Yes. But as of now, their model is a little troublesome.

    Like, the Bengals always have a ton of cap room. Are they good at managing it? No, they're just really cheap. The 49ers are fantastic at it though Paraag Marathe may be a name you've heard, very shrewd negotiator.
     

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