Tannehill has shown a ton of improvement this preseason.

Obviously it's better to be a well rounded team, but if you don't have a QB that's capable of carrying the team your odds of ever winning it all are minuscule (you need an all-time D or something akin). At best you become a regular season champ with early playoff exits.

 

I think it is hard to judge Tannehill in the preseason. Teams don't game plan to play against the opposing offenses and the speed of the game doesn't pick up until the regular season begins.

Tannehill should look better this preseason then he did last season, because he is no longer a rookie and he started 15 regular season games last year. We should all know after the first five games if he has improved as a starting QB or not.

 

While that may be the case, it's certainly preferable to him having a game like Geno the other night.

 

I think people should keep in mind in today's offenses, the pass sets up the run, not the other way around.

Until defenses respect the pass enough to hesitate before crashing the LoS none of our Rb's will look very good.

This was my point in Reggie Bush being kept, he was hesitating not due to dancing, there were defenders just crashing the gaps, put him in Detroit and he looks like Reggie Bush

 

If Tanehill slots in between Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco (I like Ryan better) I'll be happy. Of course we need to do a better job of building around him. Good defense, good WRs and strong running game.

Hey is that Parcells' system?

 

He would be Colin Kaepernick if he were that good.

 

My expectations for RT this year are about what Schaub did last season (4000 yds 22/12). Schaub makes some elite passes, few mistakes but rarely carries the team. I think RT's ceiling is higher. He makes more elite throws than Schaub did at the same stage in his career. Schaub was a back-up then and looked like a game manager with a strong arm. I also see much more athleticism in RT which should translate to more play making and escapability.

I don't think he's likely to reach Flacco's level this year, but I do think he can surpass both Flacco and Ryan by year four or five.

 

There was a lot of offseason hype that Tannehill will be the most improved QB in 2013. I honestly haven't seen it yet. I think he has better weapons at WR, and the offense will be more productive, but they've struggled early and in the red zone.

However, I stopped overreacting to the preseason a long time ago.

The most important improvement I hope to see won't be evident until the regular season. Until I see Tannehill dramatically improve his 4th quarter play and put the team on his back, his potential is a question mark to me.

 

I don't understand how someone can't see how much faster and better his decision making has become. In that Tampa game, our running game was dead. Those 180 offensive yards on offense in the first half were mostly a product of the passing game. And they weren't due to receivers making great plays. They got open so that's part of it, but the biggest part was the QB. That's a QB carrying an offense. Obviously it's not the same as the regular season, but it's clearly evident that RT has dramatically improved.

 

I wouldn't disagree that he's improved. But, for a QB who just about doubled his career starts in the past year, he BETTER be improved. The question is, is he better than the other QBs?

Getting open is the first thing a WR needs to do. I don't see how you can dismiss their part in the passing game and give all the credit to Tannehill.

I also don't think a QB can carry a team until the 4th quarter. That's when it counts, that's when most games will be won or lost.

Fiedler used to be a very good QB until the 4th quarter, then he'd throw a pick into double coverage.

 

I don't believe in Sophmore slumps, not when you have the tools of this player, the work ethic, and the fact that he's in better shape..

He looks improved to me...what I can't wait for, and I'm very confident has been put away completely this preseason, is the moving pocket, misdirection, and the read option, not once have we seen anything resembling all three categories..

Its obvious what Sherman is doing and I think it's the right strategy..He has strictly kept Tannehill in the pocket all preseason.

 

A QB can also carry a team by making key conversions throughout the game and, although it's more difficult for fans to see, by getting them out of bad plays.

I don't dismiss getting open, but RT is also fitting passes in when they aren't open and making good decisions and being accurate when they are. His part is by far the bigger part of the passing game.

I watched a ton of preseason games this year after buying the preseason live package at NFL.com and IMO RT has easily been among the top 10 starters I've seen.

 

"ESPN Radio host Colin Cowherd recently had NFL Films’ Greg Cosell as a guest on his program to discuss some of the young quarterbacks of the league like Cam Newton, Ryan Tannehill, Brandon Weeden and Colin Kaepernick.

When asked about what he’s seen out of Tannehill, Cosell immediately rolled out plenty of praise.

“I like Tannehill and he’s getting no publicity, even last year as a rookie when I thought he had a very good rookie season,” Cosell said.

While bigger names like Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Russell Wilson saw most of the media attention, Tannehill quietly had a solid season in his first year in the league, .

“There’s certain things you look for, Colin,” Cosell continued. “You look for the redzone, for instance. Everything happens faster in the redzone—you need a more refined sense of anticipation and timing, you need to throw with velocity. And he threw a touchdown [against Houston] to Mike Wallace that was just perfect for a redzone play. It looked like Wallace was wide open and he wasn’t. It was actually a very tight window, but because Tannehill threw it with great anticipation, and great velocity, he drilled it into a tight window beautifully. Those are the kinds of things you look for with young quarterbacks, because you have to convert in the redzone"

 

My biggest irritation. You have the optio, throw the ball away. If you're trying to make with your feet please do but when he is in those moments of pocket collapsing either get sack moving forward or throw the ball at a WRs feet or over his head into the sidelines.

When the pocket collapses you can visually see panick on his face, not just body language, his actual face.

But it's his second year. We can live with sacks. We're looking for little turnovers, many touchdowns and of course- wins.

 

On paper. Preseason has shown me that we lost the most fluid, natural catcher we had on the field for the season. Everyone else looks like they wouldn't make a practice squad on an elite team. I exaggerate but you get my point.

 

This is the money post right here and probably the smartest thing Ireland has done for this team. Overpaid. Fine. But if Wallace and Tanne can prove that they can connect big at any given moment, it'll change everything about our offense. Everything.

Now, they have to connect and has to do a much, much better job of leading his receivers

I was so envious playing the Texans. It looked like both back-ups could be starters with there placing of the football.

 

Hopefully he becomes another Rodgers.

 

I believe the strategy was not to use the arsenal in those situations but just to see if they could get it strait up, which they didnt, so while I don't think we're gonna be a good red zone team, once we have the movement in our offense I think Tannehill has some running skills close to the goaline that will allow him four to five touchdowns this year all by himself, to get us to average..

He's got to be the main weapon down there is what I'm saying..I just don't think we have the personnel to get separation in confined areas...This is where Kellers loss will hurt the team..

 

I don't see why Miami shouldn't be a good red zone team. Especially if Tannehill improves as a quarterback. Even though Miami was pretty bad in the red zone last year on the road, at home they were the best team in the league in the red zone.

 

I'll take average Dup, considering we were pretty bad last year..

Is that true? Best offensive team in the red zone at home?

 

I think it is always difficult to determine how a QB will play during the regular season, based on his play in the preseason. With no game planning by either team,as well as many starters either not playing in a preseason game or playing at preseason speed, QB's don't face the same type defenses they will face once the regular season begins.

I think it will be more reasonable to judge Tannehill, as well as the rest of the starters once the season actually begins. We should know a lot more about Tannehill and the offense, as well as the defense and the coaching staff, after they play their first five games this season. Anything less than a 2-3 record after these five games will have to be seen as a huge negative for this team. A 2-3 record will be acceptable and anything better than 2-3, will certainly create excitement for a possible playoff run in 2013.

 

While I don't necessarily disagree, I thought it was CK who either last year or the year before did an analysis on preseason performance of QBs. If I remember correctly, a good preseason (rating over 90) didn't guarantee regular season success (though the odds looked good if I recall), but almost assuredly a rating under 90 in the preseason meant the QB was not in for a good regular season. If I am remembering right, there's plenty of reason for hope in my opinion at least.

 

I agree there is reason for hope regarding Tannehill. I just wonder what the preseason QB ratings were for Luck, Wilson, RG3, and Kaepernick in 2012. Because all of them went on to have excellent seasons and they all took their teams to the playoffs. If all of them had a rating over 90 in the 2012 preseason, perhaps there is something to what you are saying.

 

The good news for me is I don't think he's played all that well, and he's posted a good qbr...and he's posted that number within a completely static pocket.

 

I disagree with the assessment that Luck had an excellent season, but here are the numbers anyways from last year:
Luck - 89.33 (41-66, 522 yds, 3TD/2INT)
Griffin - 103.29 (20-31, 193 YDs, 2TD/0INT)
Wilson - 140.78 (40-47, 536 yds, 5TD/1INT)
Kaepernick - 104.32 (25-39, 297 yds, 2TD/0INT)

Tannehill this year: 98.59 (34-56, 377 Yds, 3TD/0INT)