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Omar Kelly: Dolphins offense is a mess

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    You can't spit em apart, like sacks?
     
  2. Ronnie Bass

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    What the hell is matter with you? My point is teams chances of winning are better when the QB is the leader of the offense, hence why we were terrible with Henne and if want to win Tannehill needs not to be like Henne, where did I even take a shot or even question Tannehill leadership skills?
     
  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Now how is that possible when that offense took 2 OL's, the position he claims to watch, with high #1 picks?

    Oh the conundrum!

    Seriously though, here is the deal, the OL will leak this year, Thill will be pressured this year, can he make use of the weapons we added, and hopefully a developing Charles Clay to make plays that include Td's, or can he not?

    That is what this season more or less hinges on, whatever omark's opinion on the matter.

    BTW..found those Nanee quotes hi-llarious, sometimes wonder if he knows his ******* from his elbow when it comes to what happens on the field.
     
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  4. padre31

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    Thing I'd point out about THill is his QBR is not the soft kind, he is not taking checkdowns that boost averages ala the Hennenator (whom I like more than most do), he is taking deeper chances.
     
  5. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    This is inconsistent. On the one hand you are very concerned about the running backs for their poor performance in preseason, yet concerned about Martin for his very good performance in the preseason. This is the kind of logic that makes people hate Omar
     
  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    B -FREAKING- S. There isn't one line in the NFL with 5 above average starters. If Samuda was playing average, then we wouldn't be even talking about the offensive line.

    I would love to have average play from the right guard position. That is good enough to have a really good offensive line.
     
  7. Conuficus

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    The only thing delusional is this post. Honestly.

    No one says there are not problems, but it is better when the person pointing them out actually has a clue what he is looking at first. Omar hasn't found that problem.
     
  8. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    todsational doesn't spit..............ever.
     
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  9. Stitches

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    In the first two sentences of post 6. It sure seemed like you were. And then when I countered that some QBs (such as Henne) aren't leaders even when they play QB you seemed to affirm your stance that Tannehill isn't a leader by asking how that worked out? (At the very least you didn't make me think you viewed Tannehill as any sort of leader beyond that he happened to play QB).
     
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  10. MikeHoncho

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    Resign Nanee, the elixir.

    Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk 4
     
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  11. Aquafin

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    well if we can debate this but as much as I dislke Omar I don't feel that Daniel Thomas is a good player at all but I hope I m wrong . we need to see the toughest game in the season to see how good we are . if we are 0-5 then chances are we wont be good at least not on offense . We have had some good defense in the last 15 years but since Ricky , Ronnie , Welker and Chris left we haven't been very fun to watch especially when Dan Henning was here , damn that was autrocius.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Another thing? Do you remember last year's preseason? That offense looked like a mess. In its first three games it engineered 1 touchdown drive and scored a grand total of 30 points. I believe that touchdown was against the Panthers' second unit.

    This preseason Miami scored 27 against the Jaguars.

    The offense does need some work, however "a mess"? No it does not look like a mess at all.
     
  13. inFINSible

    inFINSible Bad ministrator

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    I prefer the half-full view. Sure everything can go wrong, but it can also go right so, why depress yourself expecting the worst. And don't give me that crap about "expect the worst so you won't be disappointed when it happens". BS, you're going to be disappointed if the worst happens, there is no escaping that. So instead of wallowing in misery over something that may or may not happen, be positive and enjoy the dream of everything going right. and if it doesn't THEN be disappointed.

    So, basically, I don't read O-mart.
     
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  14. rafael

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    I am constantly surprised when people read Omar's opinion stuff and treat it as anything but fiction. I didn't read this article and don't have any plans to. If I'm in the mood for fiction I'll go to a novel.
     
  15. Stitches

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    Yea, those offenses with Welker scoring 17.2ppg in 2004, 19.9ppg in 2005, and 16.2 in 2006 were waaaay better and more exciting than the last 3 years of 17.1ppg in 2010, 20.6ppg in 2011, and 18.0ppg last year.
     
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  16. Sceeto

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    Omar Shmomar.
     
  17. Ronnie Bass

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    Hahaha, wow. Ok, first off I said he "might" be deserving of criticism, even when a player is playing good there is always room for criticism as there is for improvement, and the fact is Tannehill hasn't proven anything yet this season and he didn't register enough capital from last season to escape question marks coming to camp. And I love Tannehill, but this hands off not being able to criticism the kid is totally insane.

    I can't believe I had to waste time addressing this.
     
  18. Stitches

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    Who said we can't criticize Tannehill? He needs to make quicker decisions IMO, is just one of numerous criticisms (sloppy footwork at times is another). I merely took issue with what I thought was selling Tannehill's leadership incredibly short.
     
  19. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Alright you two. Does somebody needs a Snickers bar?
     
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  20. Stitches

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    Yes, please. Or a Baby Ruth would be acceptable.
     
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  21. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    This is my whole issue with the doom-and-gloomers. How can you say we're going to win less or the same as we won last year, simply based on 2.5 pre-season games, in which they did FAR better than they did last year? Put the PTSD away fellas...are you a fan or are you a wanna-be ESPN hater analyst?

    I've said it before, but I can't help but leaning on their first 7 games last year. 2 missed field goals away from 6-1...with a brand new coaching staff (that didn't need the wildcat crutch), brand new rookie QB (who has improved at least slightly) with VERY minimal experience at the position, and no big time receivers/tight-ends (upgraded), an average to slightly below average O-line (call it a push), a porous secondary (upgraded), and a solid defense otherwise (upgraded).

    Seriously, am I missing something, 'cuz I see progress...
     
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  22. finwin

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    The Dolphins have no one to replace Keller. Among backup tight ends -- Charles Clay,Michael Egnew, Dion Sims and Kyle Miller -- Clay, who has 34 receptions for 445 yards and five touchdowns in two seasons, is the likely replacement.

    The loss of Keller was pretty big but to say he had a chance to be our leading receiver is too open ended. I believe Keller would have gotten way more yards than our back up tight end. You know what Tannehill has a chance lead the league in passing yards and Lamar Miller in rushing yards. Everyone has a chance. He follows that with saying the Dolphins have no one to replace Keller then lists the back ups. He means no one as capable as Keller. Omar is just so set on criticism that he's hard to follow.
     
  23. padre31

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    Thing is, for any player, if you give them enough chances they will put up "stats".

    Question is not really the raw stats, it is first downs created/Td's/key drops etc.

    A drop with 5 minutes left in the 4th qtr down by 2 pts matters far more than a drop in the first qtr of a 0-0 game yet stats do not break such clutch/not clutch plays and missed plays down.

    Basically, if Clay has 150 targets, he'll put up meaningless stats.
     
  24. MrClean

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    Almond Joy or Mounds for me. Because sometimes I feel like a nut. Sometimes I don't...
     
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  25. vt_dolfan

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    See...the issue is....its a problem of two extremes. Nobody is saying our offense is a well oiled machine. But the offense isnt a mess either. Omar is a glass half empty kind of writer. He said so himself.

    "I'd like to enter a guilty plea. I openly admit I'm a glass half-empty kind of guy.

    That's just my style, my way of thinking. I prepare for the worst in every instance, and if I get something better than the worst I'll be pleasantly surprised."

    http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...3_1_miami-dolphins-derrick-shelby-joe-philbin


    So...he prepares for our offense to be a mess..and that's how he writes about it. The only reason he even still writes, is because he is so inflammatory, that he gets the clicks. The best sports writers tend to be the ones that run somewhere in the middle, and can be relied upon for objective opinions on which ever team they are covering.



    See I get the fan who thinks...we have an awsome team...and is pure homer. But...what I dont get is the fan who has the little black rain cloud mentality. Whoa is meeeee....our team is awfulllllllllll. We suck.....

    Whats the point, really?
     
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  26. cdz12250

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    That's a problem.
     
  27. arsenal

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    Over the last 2 games, we've had 9 drives of a Tannehill led offense (not always all first teamers, but regardless), in those 9 drives we've scored 21 pts.

    That equates to 2.33 pts per drive, that would have been 6th in the NFL last year behind NE, NYG, Den, NO and Atlanta (stats courtesy of http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats)

    Obviously its preseason, and we've seen hiccups, but I also have more confidence in this offense than I did last year. We'll see what happens this 3rd preseason game and what happens with the full 1st team offense for a full game come the regular season. Think we'll be better than our local beat writers seem to expect.
     
  28. Ronnie Bass

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    Well for one look at your reaction when I brought up a fair question about Tannehill's leadership skills, you seem to have an issue with it. And I didn't even come close to selling them incredibly short, scratching my head on that comment since we still need to see what his leadership skills are, training camps and OTA's don't count.
     
  29. 72 Dolphins

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    I have to argue that... New England / San Fran / Denver / NY Giants All have a solid 5 starters and depth that could start on our line. Staley Lupita Goodwin Boone and Davis in SF ...Jeeez..there is no hole in that line. Snyder - there 6th lineman could start at RT or RG for us.

    Even Cleveland our first opponent has a O-line that makes ours look like trash. And Minnesota has a solid line also...you don't run for 2,000 yards behind a trash line.

    Tampa..coming on and the Ravens make it happen for Flacco and Rice.

    We are in the bottom half of the NFL in O-lines....and your going to see this year, how important that stat is.
     
  30. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    While I continue to not read any of OmarK's stuff (thank you very much), I can agree on one thing about this offense. This team is not a smooth, well oiled machine by any stretch yet. In fact, the one thing that has plagued this team since Marino retired, is it's tendency to start off slowly. Philbin's tenure, to this point hasn't changed that. We never seem to 'get our groove' (or consistency, if you prefer) until the 4th or 5th game of the season. By then, you have a hole to dig out of. This year, we may actually start off quicker than in previous years, but at the same time, the schedule is much harder during that period of time so a fast start, something we haven't had and need to have is going to be even harder to get.

    The big thing has been consistency at QB and perhaps, Tanny will supply that, we don't know yet. There are still many questions about this team and it's direction. But there is as much reason for optimism as there is for pessimism. Dwelling on those things are not things that most 'fans' by our nature will want to hear from our media guys. OmarK just accentuated that thought process into one article. To me, the job of the local media is to keep the fans informed of the teams progress or digression. Not to opine his feelings into every remark/story he writes...That's what separates the good ones from the bad ones. Unfortunately in our case, we have very few actual good local media guys. The good ones seem to move on from the area... For now, we are stuck with the likes of Mando and OmarK...too bad...
     
  31. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    3 Pro Bowlers on a 5 man line is not trash. Jesus.
     
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  32. 72 Dolphins

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    I doubt it but I get it, things look roses thru those Aqua and Orange glasses at all times.
     
  33. 72 Dolphins

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    Ok, I'll give ya Center and Left Guard - After that it's average trash.
     
  34. arsenal

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    They sure look better than through crap colored glasses some Dolphins fans constantly feel the need to whine with...

    I just think the offense will be better than last year, which will make our team better than last year, which means we should do better than 7-9 which is improvement. Last year we had a rookie QB with 1 WR. This year we have a 2nd year QB with experience under his belt and 3 WRs. If our oline plays like it did last year, which honestly I think they will be better, hard not to see an improvement.
     
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  35. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    What we need to have is someone from here to write a counter article...we'll call it "Dolphins: Omar Kelly Is A Mess"...
     
  36. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    You don't have to give me a damn thing, because your opinion is not based in fact.

    3, not 2 Pro Bowl linemen. The other tackle is a 2nd rd pick from last year whose the #2 rated lineman in the preseason so far. You are basing your stance (once again) on not one single fact.
     
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  37. 72 Dolphins

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    It's not whining, it is a realistic assessment of what we have right now. I'm sorry if you want to believe that we are better than we are because we signed Wallace, Grimes, and Gibson and RyanT is in his 2nd year. If only football were that simple.

    Our schedule is twice as difficult as last season, consider that when you apply your math that we were 7-9 last year, were a better team this year, and thus that translates into a better record this season. No it doesn't.

    We are a newer team this year, with many new players, and many many many rookies and 2nd year guys that will be called upon to contribute significantly. That bodes badly.

    It doesn't mean we aren't headed in the right direction. It doesn't mean we aren't a better team than last year in some areas...(DBs)

    But not the right areas and certainly not with this many new faces all thrown together as if every peice will fit perfectly. It won't.

    This team will be lucky to squeak out 8 wins. Anything more than 8, I'm not buying, especially now, since Keller was a BIG peice of hope.
     
  38. SICK

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    First of all, InFIN it's good to see you!

    Second of all, this offense has not even gameplanned one time for an opponent. People that are jumping off the bandwagon, or calling out the offense looks ridiculous right now. Do people HONESTLY believe Sherman and Philbin are throwing out everything they've worked on and are failing miserably at it? Do people really think we are going to serve a dish, hot and ready like Lil Ceasers for the Cleveland Browns and the other first few opponents of pure game film to use against us? No.

    We had 1 extra preseason game.....and knowing our coaching staff, we probably broke down and found what the offense and defenses weakness' were and literally made them play out of those formations most of the time, to work out kinks.

    Tannehill really looks good in spread, and 3 wide.....lets put him under center, 2 TE sets where he was struggling in practice and get him working on that.

    People need to realize what Preseason is, what its for, there is no goal to "win the game".....the goal is to get better for the big show, September 8th, against the Cleveland Browns.

    The problem is, I would expect that from fans, but someone who works for a media like the Sun Sentinel, who is paid good money to know and report on these things....to see him so assuredly make statements that this offense is a mess, without realizing the point of preseason, is why myself and many people find Omar Kelly the biggest joke in South Florida sports media.

    And as someone living in Charlotte NC (outside the realm of SFL) I havent seen anyone worse in-between either.
     
  39. 72 Dolphins

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    I can see it with my eyes.. To be bluntly honest, we might have the worst offensive line in the NFL. I'm not happy about this, I'm not happy to acknowledge it, but I certainly can't ignore it like it doesn't exsist.

    You like to post how good Martin is doing in the preseason...thats what you see, his PFF ratings. I see a tackle not strong enough for RT's blindside with lousy footwork and in need of a TE or RB double team to handle the leagues best.

    Two ways of seeing things. His PFF this preseason means nothing to me, others concerns on Martins abilities at LT mean nothing to you.

    Lets wash it.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    Do most best writers act like their pro scouts, and what if their bad at scouting players, is the narrative being created off of one mans unprofessional opinion swaying the average fan into far less hope for their team than the normal beat writer..and could this be one of the culprits in the deteroition of a franchise.
     

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