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PFT: Richard Marshall released

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by byroan, Aug 20, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    That's correct. If you're hoping for Patterson to be released next year, that would give the team $15 million to try and get Grimes into a new deal...provided he stays healthy. And in the mean time you are indeed left hoping Will Davis and Jamar Taylor progress enough to step up in place of Patterson and Carroll.
     
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  2. Den54

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    Agreed. At least we got 4 reg season games out of Marshall. We got nothing out of Keller.:shifty:
     
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  3. ckparrothead

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    I hear what you're saying. It's not like the Dolphins could have predicted he would get hurt for 12 games. However, he DID play much worse than his contract was worth, that IS the reason he's gone right now, and even had they gotten 16 games out of him that $6.1 million would have been way too much for the quality of those 16 games.
     
  4. Alex13

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    its just another try to make ireland look bad, i´m not falling for it though
     
  5. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The draft and free agency again as well.
     
  6. Alex13

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    but the money he got, wasn´t it a reasonable amount for a starting CB ?
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    Just because a guy is starting doesn't mean he's playing at a starter level. He didn't and wasn't, and that is why he's gone.

    Yes absolutely this was a mistaken signing for Jeff Ireland and it goes in the negative column. There's no other rational way to view it.
     
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  8. Stringer Bell

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    This is a pretty myopic view to take. The salary cap is a consideration, but there are a lot more financial considerations to take.
     
  9. Stringer Bell

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    Ultimately its a negative, but when your FA misses only end up costing the team $5M, thats a pretty good thing.
     
  10. schmolioot

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    If Steven Ross is more converned about saving the $5 million then putting the best possible team to win on the field in 2013 then that is a problem.

    Not saying Marshall is a guy that makes a big difference and I'm sure of they thought he was great he wouldn't have been cut, but I certainly understand Pad's point that we are seemingly worse today than yesterday solely over money.
     
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  11. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We've had many $5 million negatives. The list is well known.
     
  12. Limbo

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    The positive I'll take from it is that he did realize his mistake and cut him at the right time. Sure, it would've been better to get a legit starter last offseason and not have to draft two guys high. But I'm pleased with the way he handled CB this offseason - drafted two young guys, made sure Grimes has bounced back sufficiently, and cut the veteran who wasn't playing up to his contract.

    I could've seen Ireland holding onto Marshall, one of the FAs he committed to, and riding with him as a fringe #3 corner, inhibiting the growth of Taylor and Davis, and sucking up cap money for us to extend guys or roll into next year (lots of posters here had Marshall on their projected 53). But I'm very glad he didn't. He made a mistake and righted it.
     
  13. ckparrothead

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    I'm not killing him for it. I'm not saying this alone makes him a bad GM. But I don't understand any sentiment that says this is not something he should be criticized for. He absolutely should.

    And to me, $5 million in one year is indeed a sizeable mistake. But to each their own.
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    I agree with you. It's good of him to cut his losses earlier rather than to allow the mistake to persist and continue damaging the team. Hence I wrote an entire article explaining why the Dolphins probably did the right thing.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ill-be-better-off-without-cb-richard-marshall

    He's also shown tendencies in the past to cut bait on mistakes relatively quickly. That has not often been a source of complaint for me, when it comes to Jeff Ireland.
     
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  15. schmolioot

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    Cutting bait on mistakes quickly is admirable and a good quality to have. I'd rather we didnt make so many mistakes in the first palce though.
     
  16. SICK

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    Put it this way.....

    If the coaches thought Jamar Taylor/Will Davis could/are playing around the same level, or will soon, then it makes sense to cut the money making guy that is playing down to 2 rookies level, and give them his reps in practice.
     
  17. padre31

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    Here is one of the things I love about the NFL:

    We can have opinions, if the league thinks he can play, he'll be signed fairly quickly, if not he'll bounce around and be fortunate to sign a mid season fillin deal.

    Objectively, we just waived a healthy starting Cb, let's see what the rest of the NFL thinks about him.
     
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  18. djphinfan

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    In October of last year, he had surgery to repair two ruptured discs..

    That's an ugly injury for a football player..

    Obviously the injury occurred after getting signed to a 3/16 mill dollar contract..I'm not gonna say I saw enough that talent wise he couldn't be the player Ireland thought he was, but i dint see that while he was here, so I got to put that in the negative column..
     
  19. SICK

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    lol I had to.

    But what big mistakes is he making? The positives are outweighing the negatives so far. Cant blame Irish for Keller getting his knee destroyed, by all accounts he was going to be huge for us. Grimes *knock on wood* looks to be a STUD for us, and don't quit on him now Daniel Thomas looks to be shaping up nicely with Miller. Take into consideration Odrick, Jones, Pouncey, Incognito, Wake and Vernon you have yourself a big time group of players Ireland directly is responsible for bringing here. You will miss sometimes, its going to happen. But its not looking so bad now that the dust is settled.
     
  20. Stringer Bell

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    False choice. They aren't going to choose between having a winner and having strong finances. Both are the goal.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4
     
  21. djphinfan

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    Sure, if Taylor and Davis turn out to be real good players than got to give him back some credit.
     
  22. padre31

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    Ruptured achilles is not exactly good news either, this is why you have to let guys play to see what they have, Marshall has played how many snaps?
     
  23. Alex13

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    i´m scared he signs with cleveland, he knows our defense
     
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  24. SICK

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    I am not. We know his weakness'. I'd throw at him all day.
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    He would probably be a more solid slot corner in Cleveland than Buster Skrine. I felt like Chris Owens was an underrated perimeter player coming out of Atlanta and that could be what Cleveland has in mind for him.
     
  26. GridIronKing34

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    Nice try, Jeff Ireland.

    :shifty:
     
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  27. SICK

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  28. Stringer Bell

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    I'd like to wake up in a tub full of gold coins. Its not realistic to believe mistakes like Marshall aren't going to happen. Its not like we are even talking about a Corey Webster type mistake here.
     
  29. Fin D

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    You are contradicting yourself.

    Either he made no difference or we are worse without him, it literally cannot be both.
     
  30. Paul 13

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    Jeff Ireland does not knock on wood. Wood knocks him. :shifty:
     
  31. djphinfan

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    it could be a case of him not being the same player when given the chance to compete..here's the thing, how much of that contract are we eating if we are getting rid of the player so quickly, it's not like we spent a lot, and I believe have capable younger replacements with upside, got to constantly turn the roster, always looking for younger players to emerge and take over overpriced oft injured vets.
     
  32. padre31

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    Well, for all of the "oh it saves money on the cap..next year!" blather.

    Marshall flaming out in Miami is not completely unexpected, what the larger problem is the guys who replaced him were not good enough replacements to keep Cb's from being drafted with high picks this Draft.

    Basically, it's a triple negative, Marshall did not pan out, his replacements did not shine, and we had to draft Cb's to coverup up both situations.

    One of whom has missed the vast majority of Camp.

    That is not winning through vision anyway one cares to look at the facts.
     
  33. Alex13

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    i think we drafted cornerbacks because we couldn´t cover anyone last year, traded away vontae and let smith go in FA
     
  34. Alex13

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    btw, schefter reports Carpenter has signed with the Cardinals
     
  35. SICK

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    Jay Feely out? So Carp is replacing him everywhere!
     
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  36. padre31

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    Which highlights a lack of depth at Cb, usually in that situation at least 1 player steps up, and that did not happen, it really has not happened in Miami in a long time.

    -Lost cap space via Marshall
    -Suffered opportunity costs via giving snaps to guys who did not get it done
    -Had to use further high value assets to deal with the situation

    Just from a faux Executive pov, that is bad management.

    Taken further, if Dimitri Patterson had not refused to "..put up more bad film.." in Cleveland leading to his release, we'd be forced to start at least 1 Rook Cb this year. Which is classic Ireland, things go badly, he looks in the bargain bin and finds someone who can play.

    With conventional assets he just is not as competent, watch Lee Robinson makes the team, manages to wind up starting and plays great, Kaddu and Jenkins are complete non factors this year..that is the Ireland pattern.
     
  37. Mainge

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    The point being, 2014 cap space isn't "meaningless," especially when it comes at the expense of a fringe-average player.
     
  38. Alex13

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    well there is no need to pull the what if....Patterson is here
     
  39. padre31

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    No way to run a team and expect consistent success, desperation moves are called desperation moves for a reason.
     
  40. padre31

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    Utterly, completely, meaningless.
     

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