Wait, I thought everyone hated Cog because of what that crying lil beeyatch from Tennesee said last year? Are we all over that ridiculous deal? If so I'm glad because it was ridiculous. Guy is not the best on the field but you KNOW you're getting 100% out of him on every play. He's a solid player, won't take plays off and he'll defend any teammate to a fault. Guys like that you want on your team.
and how many players not with us now were drafted/signed to fit an embarrassing, ancient, ball-controlled Dan Henning offense based on Parcells' outdated player blueprint? How many big, slow, possession receivers did we needlessly bring in during Parcells/Hennings' quest for a wimpy ball-controlled offense that Dan could attempt to operate like a chess piece? How many big, mauling, less athletic linemen who don't fit our new scheme? How many inline tight ends with a greater focus on blocking than receiving? How many big running backs at the expense of explosiveness & homerun ability did we bring in or keep around? How many Parcells pet projects? Let's look at the pertaining list that fit the above criteria: - Pat White (Parcells' pet project) - John Nalbone (Parcells' hometown pet project) - Jake Long (Parcells' preference) - Sean Murphy (Parcells' preference) - Ikechuku Ndukwe (6'4 338) - Ray Feinga (6'4 337) - John Jerry (6'5 340) - ditched the 6'5 300 pound awesome-pass-protecting guard Evan Mathis - ditched the ZBS Satele for the more powerful man-blocking Grove - Anthony Fasano - Joey Haynos - Jalen Parmele - Lex Hilliard - Ricky & Ronnie - Ernest Wilford - Patrick Turner - even Brandon Marshall was turned into a simple possession receiver by Henning/Parcells, making little attempt to utilize his immense natural ability. Miami QBs couldn't throw up a friggin' 50-50 ball in single coverage to one of the game's most physically dominant receivers without being chewed out for it. That right there sums up all we need to know and the entire thought process behind Parcells/Henning/Sparano's view of playmaking ability that doesn't come via scripted Henning trickery (reverses, flea-flickers, and wildcat passes), which obviously has a bearing on the draft philosophy and type of FA acquisitions brought in.
I agree that he gets credit/blame for everything that has happened since he has been here, except possibly the hiring of Sparano. It seemed that the Sparano hiring was Parcells' decision and while I doubt Jeff fought it, or even opposed it, I don't know that Sparano would have necessarily been his first choice. Anyhow, I look at that 38-42 record since he has been here a little more charitably. First, the Ireland/Parcells regime ingherited a pretty awful 1-15 team. In 2 of those 5 seasons that Ireland has been here, the starting QB was lost early in the season with an injury. In 2 of those 5 seasons, the starting QB was a rookie or 2nd year guy getting his first NFL action. In 4 of those seasons, Tony Sparano was the head coach. Under those circumstances, I don't see the 38-42 record as so shameful. It's not great. It's very mediocre. But under the circumstances, it is not as bad as many here make it out to be.
if those GMs were GM by title only, had someone else running the show who was passed his time, and had to follow an outdated blueprint being executed by a sh***y head coach and washed up offensive coordinator, then yeah, I guess it could be read as such. A better title would be: "How to Handicap a Promising First Time GM and Then Leave Him to Clean up a Huge Mess".
Sean Murphy was drafted by us due to Parcells and Sean's dad, former baseball player, Dale Murphy, being friends...
Reality is that trying to evaluate an administrative position is extremely difficult without the requisite insight of the organization. Too many moving parts and variables that we have no clue of.
Nice strawman but that's not what I'm implying at all. My point is that you can look at the roster right now and make an evaluation of whether Ireland did a good job acquiring talent or not. From here on out it's pretty much out of Ireland's hands. Of course wins and losses depend on talent, but they also depend on countless factors that are beyond the GMs control. What's a "free pass"?
You can make an evaluation about how good they are before they play? Man. This GM thing is EASY. Sign me up.
90-95% of what Ireland can do to affect the team's chances of winning in 2013 has already been done. At this point it's on the players and coaches, Ireland's pretty much played his hand. So tell me LB, based on the talent that's on the team right now, whatta you think? 6-7 wins, 8 maybe?
Aren't you on record saying they're good enough to win 7-8 games? You also rated Ireland as a 3-4 out of 10. Does that mean the team is extremely well coached and/or overachieving? Plain lucky maybe. Hard to square average results with the guy building the team being so poor at his job.
Ok, I stand corrected - Ireland has accounted for 1 1/2 perennial Pro-Bowlers during his tennure here. Jake Long and Cameron Wake every other season. Meanwhile we get more of this: Dion Jordan is suffering from a shoulder injury and hasn’t practiced in two days. This means that Jordan may have suffered a setback on the shoulder he underwent offseason surgery on just two months before the draft, and it’s worth monitoring even if Jordan’s injury is only minor. It’s too early to start wondering if Jordan’s shoulder is going to be an issue going forward, but the Dolphins have to be at least a little bit concerned that Jordan is dealing with shoulder issues. (Great Pick !! For a team that needed a LT NOW) LATROBE, Pa. —Jarvis Jones always had a knack for finding the football during his college career at Georgia. It hasn't taken the Pittsburgh Steelers rookie linebacker long to do the same in the NFL. If Jones isn't recovering a fumble in his first preseason game, he's ripping the ball teammates in practice, batting down a pass in coverage, or even contorting his body to pick off two-time Super Bowl winner Ben Roethlisberger. "He's a great player," Steelers' linebacker Lawrence Timmons said. "He has it all" Rushing the passer is one of his top priorities. Jones was near the quarterback the entire night on Saturday, and came up with a sack. Jones, who said he used a speed rush most of the game, worked on new ways to reach the quarterback Monday at St. Vincent College, even busting out a spin move during one-on-one pass rush drills. His most impressive moment Monday came when he ripped the ball from the hands of LaRod Stephens-Howling during a run play and emerged from the line with possession. It wasn't the first time Jones has blown up a place in camp. Last week he got his hands on a Roethlisberger pass at the line of scrimmage and dove backward while the ball was in the air, twisting his body to come up with the interception. These are the kind of writings we should be reading about the # 3 overall pick of the draft - Not that he might miss the entire season with a shoulder injury. Stop defending Ireland.
Dude your info is still WAY off. How can you try to make such an argument based on false standing? People will defend whoever they want, and for their own reasons. Swaying them to change isn't accomplished with false information. I'm still waiting for you to show how Ireland's percentage is below average in the league. Your opinion doesn't matter, since you base everything on what you WANT to see, and snapshots of it at that, not what's real. OK so the Steelers look like they got a good one. Good for them. How many have they missed over the previous three years? Less than Ireland? More? I don't really care either way...I just know I like a majority of Ireland's picks over the last 3 years, so I'm in his corner until he totally blows it. Jordan's situation is slightly concerning. If he sits a half season, or whole season, I'll be disappointed, but if it's in his best health interest, I'm all for it. I have full faith he'll be a beast for this team, for many years. Nobody "knew" his shoulder injury would re-aggravate so early, but even then, it doesn't seem too awfully bad, since they're saying he'll be ready for week 1. It's not that big of a deal...if our season was hinging upon his production alone, we're already in the toilet, and I don't feel we are. But go ahead, ignore all the positives and hang onto that one negative...that'll get ya' there.
Thats my entire point. You can't miss on that pick. You traded up and burned a 2nd round pick to do it. YOU BETTER HIT IT. It is these Ted Ginn Jr. / Dion Jordan picks that cash into mediocrity. If he was so bent on drafting a LB/DE pass rusher/play maker and I can see no reason why he would be with this roster, then staying put and drafting Jarvis Jones and whatever 2nd rounder was ABC. Quit defending this bum and lets get a REAL GM in here.
You're reducing an entire organization's failures and lack of Pro Bowlers down to Jeff Ireland during Parcells' era? Do you realize how ignorantly myopic that is?
drafting a player who goes on to make the pro bowl is more impressive than signing an established player in free agency who does the same, Ireland has only drafted one in 6 years, and he was the first overall pick in the draft.
Some people you just have to put on ignore. Otherwise you just end up reading the same ignorant and inaccurate posts over and over again.
Jarvis Jones was not worth a 12th pick in the draft. That would have been a Ted Ginn Jr. pick. NOTHING YOU CAN SAY CAN CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE!!! (sarcasm)
Just go to the poster's name and click. Then click on the "view profile" link. Once there, there's an option to place the poster on ignore.
Whoa, so you're complaining about drafting Dion Jordan b/c of some silly notion that he'll miss the season due to injury while simultaneously raving about how we should've taken Jarvis Jones who had draft concerns regarding stenosis? Good job man!!... you get my Hypocrite of the Day award.
Ireland has had 3 drafts, one of which hasn't seen the field yet and another that has played only one year. That said, do you feel we should hastily label them all as non Pro Bowlers just b/c you don't like Ireland, or do you think it's appropriate to wait for them to show us their merit before judging them?
First, Dion and teddy ginn are not comparable. Second, Jarvis Jones has not played a meaningful snap and yet you tout him like he's a future hall of famer. DJ has yet to play a meaningful snap and you're dogging him as a bust. Get real.
you're right, and come the season we'll see if these moves had enough of a positive effect to finally put a winning product on the field. if they didn't then he shouldn't be offered a new contract. I'd say our floor is 7 wins, ceiling 10 wins. I'd actually raise our floor if I didn't think LT will be an issue all season. The schedule is kinda tough, but if we take care of business and beat the teams we SHOULD be better than; sweep the bills and jets, knock off the browns, chargers, and really just beat one of Carolina/Tampa Bay/Indy, well that's 7 wins right there. The remaining teams are all good, Pats twice, Atlanta, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cincy, New Orleans. I think the Pats probably sweep us again, I know they have a bunch of young and unproven guys catching passes from Brady but they still have Brady and Belichick and that's all that really matters, Brady's beaten us 6 times in a row and 9 of the last 10 games. So I would say against that group we go 1-6, 2-5 at best. that's 8-9 wins, so to get to 10-6 we have to go 2-1 or even 3-0 against Carolina, Indy and Tampa Bay.
