Ranking WRs with the Ball in Their hands

Interesting that Fitz ranked so low, but then he is usually wrapped up tighter than Wake's jersey... not surprised to see where Bess and Hartline were at all with the lack of speed and poor balance.

 

Someone should trade for this James Jones guy.

 

Gibson averages a measly 2.2 YAC per reception, which is one of the worst in the league. I don't think he's an above average receiver with or without the ball in his hands.

We have one dynamic receiver. No defense is scared of Hartline or Gibson. Let's pray Wallace stays healthy throughout the year.

 

One reason why hartline's is low because a high percentage of his catches are comeback routes and sideline catches. Yac just isn't his game.....generally speaking.

Good info

 

Also, after reviewing a few games from last yr, hartline makes the comeback routes look easy. If tannehill can improve his long ball accuracy and hit hartline on a few of those bombs he missed last yr, the opposing CB may be forced to give hartline a couple of more yards of space which will make quick throws like the outs and slants there for the taking.

 

oh well here we go again....

 

Thanks for a great post and thread!

It's obvious that we improved our receivers in the area of producing after the catch. I expect that Gibson will become a fan favorite here for his ability to move the chains. I wonder how much Keller improves the same category over Fasano. I also wonder how much we could get from other players on our roster that I see as likely to provide some after the catch production. I'm thinking of Thigpen, Matthews and Bumphis. I know we don't have stats on all those guys, so I'm asking more in a theoretical opinion sense.

 

Not surprised, always seems like Hartline was catching and going down....same with Bess....YAC is such a luxury to have, vital and has been missing on this team the past few years. Hopefully it changes going forward...

 

They'd have a really dangerous offense if they had a QB. Martin is a monster as well and that OL is going to be much improved.

 

Look at the Wr's and who was throwing them the ball, it looks like only Antonio Brown had an upper echelon "proven" Qb tossing him passes and underperforming.

Take Fitz for example, elite Wr, guys tossing him passes were dreadful..on the high side, only Cecil Shorts took a crappy Qb situation and performed at a high level.

That suggests Shorts is going to be one hell of a Wr if he stays healthy.

 

IMO that is a huge factor in people's opinions on QBs. Luck and Kaepernick, for example, seemed to get so many big plays out of their targets (Davis, Crabtree, Hilton, Wayne). As I watched their games I often thought that if RT had thrown the same pass or made the exact same play, that his target (Hartline, Bess or Fasano) would have not provided anything after the catch. The result is that fans think look at how great one QB is as a play maker or at the 4th quarter comeback compared to another QB even though they are doing the same thing.

 

Interesting to see so many good receivers under the league average even if a few did have poor QB situations (not that it stopped Shorts).

Just shows that different receivers have different strengths, adding someone like Wallace with his big play ability and speed with the ball in his hands to someone like Hartline who's more sure handed and a good route runner gives us a much more interesting attack than everyone having similar skills like last year.

 

That's a key point that many ignored during the Hartline discussions earlier. The best passing attacks have WRs that can attack different areas of the field and different types of defenses and defenders. Sure it would be great to have a core made out of five Calvin Johnsons, but that's not realistic.

 

I think some of you guys are reading too much into this formula. It basically shows one phase of the receiver's game, albeit an important one. It doesn't prove or disprove anybody is performing well for his team or not, because it doesn't factor in the multitude of other areas that go into the passing game (QB skill, broken play or not, double/single coverage, down and distance, o-line, who the other receiver was, secondary skill, etc etc on and on forever). It's a great microscope on those particular areas he focused on with the statistics though...good stuff, thanks for the work!

 

Hmm, Freeman maybe, but he put 2 Wr's at the top of the list, otherwise it looks like a who is who of NFL Qb's

 

I banged the drum insanely hard for him this off season. He represented a young inexpensive option in my opinion.

With Binns and Matthews out, if we struggle or suffer another injury I'd love us to go after him.

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why would the Packers trade him to us? especially now after Jennings left.

 

I know I was on the bandwagon for years back when people would tell me how much he sucked and didn't have hands.

 

Aaron Rodgers

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well if that's the case let's call up Denver and ask about Demaryius and Decker. if they reject us we can try New Orleans to check Colston's availability...with hall of fame QB's those teams don't really even need these guys.

 

To be fair there were rumors that the Packers were willing to trade Jones up until this summer. I doubt they will now that Jennings is gone, but unlike Moore and Decker or Colston this guy was reportedly on the market and Miami was even linked obviously b/c of Philbin.

 

I seem to recall a few of us wanting Miami to trade for Jones last off season. Nothing since the 2012 season, when he really broke out, and coupled with the loss of Jennings would not seem plausible anymore.

 

James Jones is a third receiver with a third receiver reputation. Color me shocked your argument is on a tangent. The Packers also could use defensive help. The right defensive player could possibly entice them.

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Well, Calvin Jackson is helluva player for the Lions. I think he gets even better and his quarterback Mathew Standford has a breakout year. But that's an offense with weapons, what with Justin Best and Brandon Pedigree.

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