Pouncey needs to get his head out of his butt

For me, it's too easy to run from trouble or turn your back on your friend. When I lost my dog Pudy, my best friend turned her back and we are no longer friends because of it.

 

I'm offended you sell me short like that, Barry. There's enough room to say Free DJphinfan.

 

[video=youtube;2HJxya0CWco]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HJxya0CWco[/video]

 

it wasn't, people are putting drugs charges, or infidelity charges or other other charges in the same group, first degree premeditated murder is a bit different in terms of showing premeditated public support.

 

I've seen Todd...Thong..

 

Still no apology..idiot.

 

Who's he supposed to be apologizing to?

 

I've never understood the clamor for public apologies. The likelihood is that Pouncey doesn't feel apologetic and would only apologize to edify the organization/ those who feel outraged by this incident. In reality the use of some meaningless words only serves to stroke the egos of those who feel wronged. I think public apologies, by anyone in the national spotlight, are amazingly vapid and shallow. If he shoots out some half-assed public apology on Twitter that means nothing, it's just a way to escape the situation with as little possible effort

You really feel bad and want to make amends? Donate to a charity, double down on your community service, do something to show people you care. If you don't feel apologetic enough to do something, you aren't really sorry. If that's the case I don't really have any interest in some empty, bulls**t public apology.

 

Pretty much.


No offense to anyone who's genuinely offended but I think a lot of this has to do with people wanting football players, and athletes in general, to apologize for being rich, successful and famous. For playing a child's game, as the saying goes.

 

while I may agree with a lot of that how bout in this case that it's just the right thing to do?

 

The victim's family and friends, for starters.

If a celebrity wore a "Free James Holmes" hat, wouldn't the ensuing firestorm of media hoopla focus on how that celebrity should apologize to the families of the victims of that shooting?

 

Not the same thing. We know for a fact James did it.

Again, if the Pounceys truly think AH is innocent, then in their minds he is a victim as well. I don't think AH is innocent, but it has not been proven yet. If the Pounceys are guilty of anything, its being poor judges someone's guilt, that's all.

Now, if it comes out that they think AH did it and he was justified, then yes blast them left and right and I'd want Mike off the team. But that's not what it is going on at this point.

 

How is this thread still alive? Sunday still seems like months away. Shouldn't there be more talk about how Dion Jordan is still unsigned or updates on Vonta Leach?

 

His employer.

 

I'm glad you brought that up. Shouldn't ESPN, NFL Network, PFT and the rest be the ones apologizing? They're the ones who chose to give the Pounceys an 8 figure audience to broadcast their feelings to. If what they did was so distasteful why give it the time of day, why give them such a large platform? To get a story, grab a few headlines, boost ratings, etc. The Pounceys raise money, do community outreach, charity etc and the media doesn't report on that. The larger point is why does anyone give a **** what they think in the first place. They are football players.

 

^This^

 

The networks have a fiduciary duty before any moral obligation.

 

That's the whole point. The media is constantly on the hunt for anything that can create controversy, which is why good deeds go unreported and trash like this gets the Joseph Goebbels treatment.

 

What does this have to do with Pouncey not wearing a Free Hernandez hat?

 

LOL. Way off there Bpk, but Get shorty was a hilarious well done movie. Gene Hackman is awesome.

Free Yayo, for anyone who followed hip hop, was a little thing done by G-Unit and Eminmen when they first blew up. Tony Yayo was in jail. Not for murder or anything that serious, but he was locked up for a bit. So they all started wearing Free Yayo shirts and apparel. They weren't arguing for his innocence or anything. Just a stupid little thing they did to show support for their boy.

They probably weren't the first to do it, but it was the most high profile. Since then, that's just what people do.

When Barry Bonds was being indicted etc. I would occasionally write Free Barry! when discussing steroids or SF Giants baseball. Like right now, Chris Davis, is obviously juicing. Free Barry!

It's a joke and that's why they're laughing. They're not sitting outside of the courthouse with picket signs.

 

Cmon, Fin, it's one thing to think your friend is innocent; it's entirely another to depict him as a political prisoner and advertise on your head the belief he deserves special judicial privileges not granted the rest of America. Our judicial system might follow the protocol of "innocent until proven guilty" but it also decided to incarcerate AH until trial without bail. It was a judge's DECISION to keep him off the streets.

For kicks & giggles let's pretend AH is jailed for the 5 indisputable weapons charges alone, no murder:

• 2 counts of illegally possessing a large capacity firearm, you know- like an assault rifle or Uzi 9mm. (10 year max sentence for each)
• carrying a firearm w/o a license. (5 year max sentence)
• possession w/o a Firearm Identification Card. Does that mean the gun was obtained illegally? (2 year max sentence)
• possession of ammo w/o a Firearm Identification Card. Does that mean the ammo was obtained illegally? (2 year max sentence)

And let's forget for a moment that the .45 Hernandez owns is suddenly missing, the one with bullets matching the crime scene that were also found in his home. If that weapon weren't discarded I'm sure there'd be additional charges involving it, too. With this in mind, are you telling me you're cool with the Pounceys openly supporting illegal weapons activity as well as protesting for special treatment of anyone involved in such crimes?

 

Somebody's dead. Har dee har har.

 

If the Pounceys think he's innocent then why won't AH help find the broken/missing mirror? Why won't he help find his missing gun? Why destroy his cell phone & home surveillance system? Why need a flop house when he has his own giant home?

AH lasted until the 4th round b/c the NFL believed he was associated with gang activity. This seems pretty well founded considering Hernandez's NE teammates stated he never spends time with the team, preferring instead to hang out with his hometown Bristol posse/gang. So I have a difficult time believing any close friends of AH would be clueless about his off-the-field life, his involvement with questionable people, his involvement in illegal weapons, and his involvement in fights that end in his opposition getting shot.

 

We can go in circles forever on this. AH was involved in murder (at least 1) even if he didn't pull the trigger. The Pounceys know it. Dont try and say they truely believe he couldnt be involved. Are you calling them completely naive? I don't believe that either.

If they are as close as to him as they're trying to portray then they KNEW him and his life style. AH is sh*t. They should have had nothing to do with him from the beggining.... Even If they werent that close than they are jerk offs for wearing that hat for jokes and attention. This puts them in a bad light no matter how try to shade them.

If Mike had any bit of humility would apologize publicly. At least Maurkice isn't being stubborn about it.

 

I love ya', but like Deej, you're flat out losing your mind over something that doesn't merit that extreme a stance. For example, their hats said Free Hernandez not AH Deserves Special Privileges Not Granted The Rest Of America. Secondly, they know the guy personally, and based on that don't think he's guilty. They have that right and its not a ridiculous or extreme view based on the fact he hasn't been proven guilty yet. Lastly, and this is really important, IT WAS JUST A COUPLE OF HATS.

 

in the name of human decency, it's fu&$in gross dude, and their both idiots for thinking it thru, and doing it..you can pass it along all you want as a couple of hats, sh&$ like that gross display of support can strike nerves in people, it's the opposite of kind, it shows a severe lack of compassion, and their partying while dong it...

 

If they think AH is innocent, then there is nothing gross about it, because they think an innocent man is locked up.

If they think AH is guilty and they're doing it to be funny, then yes that's gross.

 

I think it's nearly as gross to actually believe AH is innocent when your feelings for the thug aren't unconditional. Those weren't pop guns they pulled from his home/flop house, not to mention- aspects of the facts seem pretty damn incriminating, enough so to believe with certainty that AH in the very least had involvement in or knowledge about the murder. If any of my close friends were brought up on a murder charge plus 5 weapons charges, including 2 counts of illegally possessing a high capacity firearm, I sure as s*** wouldn't be protesting his freedom after TWO judges chose to lock him up until trial; I'd be more concerned about my own well-being and not making myself look like a goddam idiot or deviant for supporting such illegal activity, especially if I were a public figure. I'd be smart enough to realize my friend doesn't live the life of a choir boy and that he'd never be in this situation to begin with if it weren't for all the questionable decisions he's made over the years. I know the only way I'd support him would be if I myself were also a questionable character and had taken part in questionable activities with him. After all, a large part of friendship is based on commonality, almost to the point it seems instinctual.

 

Deep end, Todd...send me a postcard from there.

 

I'd like to know who this unidentified man is.

 

So you think there's something off about us because we're disgusted on several different levels?...... Hmmmm

 

1) So if AH is found guilty should Mike apologize at that time?
2) for all we know "they think AH did it and he was justified" may be exactly whats going on, like some peoples reactions to Vicks dogfighting as totally fine where he came from

 

Yes. I think its ridiculous that you guys are sooooooooooo tore up about a couple of 23 year olds who wore hats supporting their friend who has NOT BEEN convicted yet. They are allowed to think their friend is innocent.

Again, if they think he's guilty and are still backing him then you're not overreacting.

 

The fact they even consider a human like AH their friend is ridiculous and extreme.

 

No. He's their friend. If he's guilty and they back him then you have an issue.

Not the same thing. Vick broke the law, the Pounceys wore hats. If people didn't think Vick was guilty and supported him that's fine. If they continued to support him after he was proven guilty, then there's a problem.

 

Perhaps a stroll around Boca Raton in a "I'm With Hitler" hat would be the best way to illustrate the counter-point.

 

What part about Hernandez not being found guilty yet, do you not understand? And quite frankly, if you think its ok to compare what AH did to what Hitler did, then you're the one being offensive.

 

Comparisons arent perfect. And I am going to make a hat of your offended post. And wear it to a Jets game.

That is multiple layers of offensive and even I dont understand if its comparable to what we are discussing.

Prepare yo-self.