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Pouncey needs to get his head out of his butt

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Vinny Fins, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    And everyone has a right to voice their opinion that he comes off like an idiot a-shole for doing it.
     
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  2. ckparrothead

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    This attitude is so wrong.

    You can say that it's not condoning the acts that landed them in jail, but it is. It absolutely is. It belittles the import of the act and condones it as not a big deal. And that's why these acts continue. Because they're not a big deal, to some people.
     
  3. Alex44

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    I can't understand your logic. Anyone who still considers a murderer a friend, is a disgusting POS who should probably be incarcerated with that friend because they bring nothing but stupidity to the human race.

    Anyone who stays friends and supports the freedom of such a disgusting person IS an idiot. It isn't a choice, it's showing how disgusting our society has become.
     
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  4. PhinishLine

    PhinishLine Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wrong or not. It's my attitude. Just like it's Pounceys friend. If you don't like it, knit a sweater.

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  5. ckparrothead

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    Attitudes can be wrong. Hernandez attitude landed him in jail for murder. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Yes I will go ahead and knit that sweater. A sweater that says "Jail Hernandez".
     
  6. PhinsRDbest

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    They want Felix Hernandez freed from the Mariners, too?
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I guess the Pouncey twins had a little bit of their man hood stunted, as in, it's taking them longer to become men, their still kids to me at this point.
     
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  8. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    Simply put - If you are loyal to a person who is about to be convicted of cold blooded murder/s there is something wrong with your thinking. There is no way to justify what he did. He gets no loyalty.

    You're right about 1 thing. It has nothing to do with me. It is embarrassing, and even moreso dissapointing to see one of our players in that picture. But you're wrong in respects to the Miami Dolphins. He represents them when he is in public. They pay him more money than any person born with athleticism deserves. I'm sure he will get a talking to privately.
     
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  9. ckparrothead

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    You can be loyal to your boy without openly supporting him subverting the justice system. That's where it becomes wrong. If you have a friend do a bad thing, make a mistake, you can still be loyal to him because he's the same guy that did all the good things he's done in his life in addition to the bad things. But you also must recognize that he's getting what he deserves, by being in jail for it. Wearing a "Free Hernandez" hat means you think he should get away with murder. That's wrong. It's just wrong. There's no other way for it. If that's your attitude, you're wrong.
     
  10. Fin D

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    There's no problem with them sporting those hats or having the opinion that AH is innocent. He is their friend and they don't think he'd be capable. So what.

    Now, if he is found guilty, I'd expect these displays to stop, but until then its no big deal.
     
  11. seabass0795

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    Haha yeah they do, but there is no need for him to apologize at all. He can be criticized for this, but it is not for the coach to talk to him or him to apologize
     
  12. Mcduffie81

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    May be one mans opinion but it sounds like you live your life trying to impress the people around you with how cool you are, and acting "loyal" has a part in that. What you're expressing comes off as extremely immature and/or flat out stupid. <--- That I'm sure is not just ONE mans opinion.
     
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  13. Da 'Fins

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    Absolutely bad form. Whatever on the friendship angle! The "Free XXX" is a symbol for freeing someone who is unjustly imprisoned. This patently is not the case at this point.

    It's also bad as a team leader. if you are going to be a team leader, you have to show that leadership on and off the field. Regardless of the outcome of the actual trial, a player like Hernandez and his off-field actions and activity and involvement is the very thing a team does not need. It's the antithesis of the principles Philbin is laying down. And supporting that kind of thing is both contrary to the coach, immature and undermines the team itself.

    But, I also think it's more than just immaturity. The kind of mentality that would support someone in this case in that way and at this point is a destructive cultural mentality.

    And going a bit deeper - that's not going to foster team unity or respect with players who may feel strongly in the other direction.
     
  14. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I laughed.. and I don't even like baseball. Anyway... do both hats say the same thing? the hat on the left isn't visible completely. would be somewhat hilarious if the other hat said something contradictory.
     
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  15. Stringer Bell

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    How is wearing a hat supporting anyone? If they wanted to support Hernandez, they should have gotten him help before he commited murder.

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  16. PhinishLine

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    If that's how you feel that's cool. I stopped caring what people thought about me a long time ago. Your opinion of me or my attitude for that matter is your opinion. Hell, you might even be right. But I'm just that type of cat. If the Pouncey's want to wear a shirt that says Free Hernandez, then thats them. "Free So and So" tshirts for ya boy facing charges is nothing new under the sun. I know they are just supporting their homeboy. Whether I think its right or wrong or my preconceived notions on guilt vs innocent is irrelevant. I get where they are coming from and I personally don't have any indignation either way about their expression of that.
     
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  17. djphinfan

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    if they haven't seen one stitch of evidence then ok, but they have, they know he was in the car, they know he texted the dude "Whaddup"at 1 o'clock in the morning, hour before he got shot, they know he was seen with gun in hand after the crime by his own security system..they know he was involved in something bad..they need to get over the gator brotherhood...the inability to rationalize what's right in this situation is disturbing.
     
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  18. PhinsRDbest

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    The other says " free hat, limit 1"
     
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  19. Mcduffie81

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    I see your point Fin, and maybe they refuse to look into him being capable and hope blindly. But if they were so close to Hernandez (in his inner circle...ugh) then they would know the shady character he is, no?

    If they are as good as friends as they are portraying to be they would likely be following the case and see the evidence being brought forth that is about to collapse the table.
     
  20. PhinishLine

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    Now you know they have people that are just blindly loyal like that and refuse to believe anyone would do anything that bad. There were dudes ready to ride off the cliff with Sandusky during his situation. I don't get it, but there are those type of people. Kinda fits the personality type of say an offensive lineman too.
     
  21. fin13

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    Like FREE MANDELA, this is dumb and when your friend is accused of multiple murders maybe you just keep a low profile.
    They were involved in one of Hernandez little altercations.
     
  22. djphinfan

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    Somebody said this might be photoshopped..

    Like ck mentioned earlier, having this be premeditated is just plain punk.

    Disgusted...
     
  23. Mcduffie81

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    You handled that WAY better than I thought lol. I apologize if I failed in trying not to attack you while expressing my strong disagreements with your posts.

    Always thought I'd make a good phsycologist!
     
  24. Stringer Bell

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    Why even bring attention to something so tragic? Even if AH is innocent, how is a hat declaring his innocence going to bring justice?

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  25. djphinfan

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    I don't agree, their grown men who know as much as we do, even if they don't believe he did it, at least understand how it reflects to support the alleged in a public forum with smiles from ear to ear, to me it shows no respect for the victims family..
     
  26. Mcduffie81

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    I hope Pouncey's willingness to be vocal about any number of things isn't being misconstrued as "leadership". Like DJ eluded to, an action akin more to a boy, than a man.
     
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  27. firedan

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    I'm sure his agent is thrilled.Not good for the old PR.
     
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  28. djphinfan

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    How bout his Dad and mom, teammates that do understand compassion.
     
  29. ToddPhin

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    Very true but the laws themselves don't determine the verdict as you know. It's just a group of twelve people gathered together forming subjective opinions just as most of us are doing now. It's not like the jury is a professional unit that specializes in determining guilt or innocence. Heck, one of us could be subpoenaed to serve on it, but that still won't grant us access to a looking glass to see how that drastic night transpired, and the jury's unknown future verdict doesn't change the abundance of evidence already presented to us. It just means Hernandez has an opportunity to pay a powerful attorney to do his darndest to confuse and create doubt, just as OJ's did.

    I understand innocent until proven guilty and that friends & family of defendants use this adage as a crutch to remain in denial, but I personally would rather trust my own fairly sound instincts and judgement than that of 12 random individuals, especially if any of them are naive about the judicial process and don't understand that court isn't always about truth and honor no matter how many times people inside it raise their right hand. The majority of these defendants are guilty; that's why they're in court with a pile of evidence against them to begin with, and District Attorney's don't like trying cases that aren't sound b/c they have a crucial winning percentage to worry about. However our judicial system adheres to biblical doctrine that later became known as Blackstone's Formulation: "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer." Because of this, defense attorneys are able to have lucrative careers. They could have an otherwise terrible 50% success rate, but when 90+% of their clients are actually guilty that's considered a great job.

    Even if there was video from multiple angles of Hernandez doing the shooting he would still get his day in court. Does that mean the public should have to temper their mental verdicts until 12 other random Joes form theirs?
     
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  30. BuckeyeKing

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    Completely disrespectful to the victims affected by that scumbag.
     
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    I was bummed out and a bit taken aback seeing the pics of Pouncey and his brother wearing the hats. In my humble opinion, it was not a good choice to make. At the same time, I am not looking for these players to be role models or choir boys. They have a right to express views/beliefs that I may not understand or agree with. Just my humble opinion. At the end of the day, I am more concerned with the guys ability to make plays and help us win games than anything else.
     
  32. ToddPhin

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    BTW, if the Districts Attorney or DA's Office didn't feel they had a great case they would've lessened the charge to that of something they feel is more winnable b/c at the end of the day the careers and success rates of those involved are more important to them than the case itself and making sure the punishment fit the crime. That means if they feel they have a 20% chance to win on murder charges but 90% on conspiracy, they'll go with conspiracy regardless of how strong their convictions may be about Hernandez's guilt.
     
  33. RoninFin4

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    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9...ke-pouncey-miami-dolphins-free-hernandez-caps

    Sorry if this is already posted, but according to this, it seems the Dolphins and Steelers are both planning on talking to Mike and Maurkice respectively. IMO, not a smart move given the circumstances surrounding the Hernandez case and the overall theme of this offseason. Knock on wood, if this is the closest a Dolphins' player comes to getting in trouble, it's a relatively small blip on the radar as far as the team is concerned.
     
  34. ToddPhin

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    It's a sad day when one week removed from New England recalling #81 jerseys a Miami player wears a Free Hernandez hat. :pity: Hernandez isn't a political prisoner facing unjust charges for a quest to save humanity and expose corruption, so excuse my French when I say the Pounceys should really STFU. We all know he's not on trial for stealing a piece of goddam bubble gum. Even if the murder charge didn't exist he'd receive jail time for all the other criminal offenses. Being public figures the Pounceys HAVE to know this type of action will stir up s*** and leave nothing good coming from it, so why intentionally do it? What are you trying to say, Pounceys, that friends & public figures should be immune to laws?

    I might bleed aqua & orange but I'm so glad I didn't purchase that #51 jersey that was tops on my list. It'd be in the garbage right now.
     
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  35. BevoPhin

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    Any "free ___" clothing or merchandise is ******ed. Basically letting people know you associate with prisoners because it looks cool to other ******s.
     
  36. BevoPhin

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    I wonder how they feel about the Zimmerman verdict. I assume they want Hernandez found not guilty.
     
  37. ToddPhin

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    These players are set to make gobs of money in their second NFL contracts yet they want to chance it over a friggin' hat despite Hernandez being 100% guilty of more than one crime? That's a whole 'nother level of stupid, sorry.

    And Maurkice should know better after having an up close view of the Mendenhall incident that left him suspended for a game and the organization not wanting to re-sign him regardless of his on field play.
    They'll need all the free hats they can get if they end up unemployed. :shifty:
     
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  38. Den54

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    Idiots!
     
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  39. ToddPhin

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    So who are the top centers of the 2014 draft? lol
     
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  40. MrClean

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    This!!!
     

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