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Is Miami really a sports town?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bumrush, Mar 25, 2013.

  1. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Meh. It's 50/50 Deej.

    I know just as many fans, actually probably more, that love the new stadium.
     
  2. BigFish

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    Nah....... if we just go by the pop warner level to high school alone it's still predominantly football culture here.

    When I think of miami "3" profound things come to mind.

    1 Coke
    2 Disco
    3 Football

    Through and through this is a football town from pop warner to the pros. 'Shula and The Boys' plus a slew of famous 'Canes like Edgerrin James, Ray Lewis, Jim Kelly Vinny Testaverde & Micheal Irvin put a much bigger stamp on this town then what's happening with the Heat organization right now.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm sorry you don't understand....what I said is fact with the majority..
     

  4. Link?
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Go to a cowboy message board and do your own research..


    How do you think sunlife stacks up to that??lol
     

  6. What a total cop out. You make a claim, state it as a fact, and refuse to provide any evidence to support your claim. Please go on telling the rest of the fan base how to be good fans based solely on your opinion but pretend as if its based on facts.
     
  7. Ozzy

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    Owners also know that people want to be part of a winner! Win games and crowds flock to any stadium...
     
  8. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    This...

    Unlike most major league sports cities, where baseball, football and to a lesser extent basketball and hockey are the major sports and the MAJOR expenditure of entertainment dollars allotted by individual fans, SFL is more diverse in it's fans expenditures. Aside from the pro sports teams, there is a lot of personal entertainment expenditures to go along with the area. So with that competition between pro sports and other sports/entertainment its easier for fans to forego going to the games and instead, going fishing or boating or clubbing or golfing or follow the other sports events in the area.

    The economy is different in SFL as well. It took longer for the economy to fail in SFL than it has in most other areas. There was/is a lot more what I'll call "upper middle class" types in the area that weren't immediately affected by the failing economy. In many other areas it's starting, slowly on it's way back up for the average fans, but in SFL, it's a little behind that point.

    If the Phins are concerned about the fan following of the Dolphins, they MUST revamp JRS (sorry, it'll always be JRS to me). They have to bring that stadium up to date. The thing is, it's much cheaper to as they wanted to do, add the retractable roof and enhance the features within the stadium than to tear it down and rebuild it. Unfortunately, they can't do it themselves. There has to be taxpayer involvement to accomplish that goal. While the pundits have pointed out fiascos, like the Marlin stadium and others, they fail to account for the increased event monies that will follow an enhanced stadium or more accurately, fail to account for the loss of those monies by not revamping the stadium.

    At any rate, the voters were deceived by the SFL small town politicians in both the Marlins stadium and now the revamping of JRS. Until that trust is rebuilt, nothing will get done and the area will continue to be up and down, following only the winners...
     
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  9. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Funny this thread popped up again.. After THOUSANDS of Heat fans took off with 30 seconds left down 5 in game 6 of an elimination game.

    Yup, we are a great sports town.
     
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  10. PhinishLine

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    No. If Miami is a sports town, you can make a case that every other city in the union is a sports town too. I mean....we just had this conversation ad nauseum a few weaks ago. People were banging drums and carrying pitchforks about letting the Dolphins pay for everything by themselves and if they wanted to leave Miami...then so bet it. Sports towns believe that the team is as much a part of the city as city hall. From the discussions we've had about fanhood it just seems like the Miami Dolphins and other teams are third party attractions that just so happen to be in MIami.
     
  11. rafael

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    I can't tell you how much that bugs me. Now I imagine that it's not limited to Miami. That's what happens everywhere. Reality is that a fairly large percentage of people at any game, anywhere are just casual fans. I hesitate to use the word "fan" in that sentence b/c a casual fan is an oxymoron. You can't be casually fanatic about something. If things like beating the traffic are a higher priority for you than watching your team in a close elimination game then, by definition, you're not fanatical about your team.

    I used to work as an usher at the old Miami arena in the early days of the Heat. I remember working a game against the Jordan lead Bulls. At this point the Heat was a cellar dwelling team and the Bulls were the best team in the league. It was late in the 4th quarter and it was a one point game. Suddenly a stream of fans started filing out. I blurted out, "where are you going!", "it's a one point game against the best team in the league!". The response I received was a a shrug and a "want to beat the traffic". I said, "you could have stayed home and beat the traffic!", "these are the moments you watch sports for!". I was worried that I would get fired b/c in general management frowns on employees berating paying customers. But I couldn't help myself and nobody ever complained so nothing came of it.

    I guess what bothers me is not the leaving, but rather the pretense that they are "fans". IMO it just means you don't understand the definition of the word.
     
  12. Mcduffie81

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    I might have left. I don't want to watch the Spurs raise a trophy. I almost shut it off because the probability of the Heat winning that game was next to nothing.
     
  13. Disgustipate

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    I don't think there is any question. South Florida is ****ty for sports. The fans for the most part only show up when the team is winning, and they aren't of particular good quality to begin with.
     
  14. Sethdaddy8

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    Who cares? How is this even a thing...a "sports town?" What are there, 5 cities with all 4 major sports? Miami is one of em, they're a sports town. They're a major sports town.
     
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  15. djphinfan

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    theres no link dude, it's not an article, I was interested so I went and did the research.what I found out is that most of the fans where I went which was a fan website, would rather the team be playing in the old stadium if it was just about football, they feel that the new stadium has no Intimacy, a mausoleum feel, and the old one they were right on top of the action and could generate an electricity that cannot be duplicated in the new one.

    Go to a Seattle message board and ask the question about their 12th man relative to their stadium..
     
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know that..not arguing it, the argument is not about that.
     
  17. gandalfin

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    I'm not a Seahawks fan, I am a Miami Dolphins fan who lived in Miami for 40 years, and now I live in Virginia. I started going to games in the Orange Bowl when the team first came into existence, and continued when the team moved to the new stadium. I've gone to a lot of games at both stadiums. One thing I like about the current stadium is the visibility. You can see great just about anywhere in there. It's also a fairly comfortable stadium. However, when it comes to the overall experience, and the factors that can give a team some degree of home field advantage, give me the Orange Bowl any day. DJ is correct. If I could trade the current stadium back in for the Orange Bowl, I would do it in a heartbeat. That place used to rock! Sunlife badly needs to be re-modeled with the idea to give back some of the features of the Orange Bowl that made it such a difficult place for other teams to come in and play in.
     
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  18. jdang307

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    No but judging by his reply to you, it appears he is your father.
     
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  19. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Great weather is subjective isn't it? Hot and muggy isn't great weather to me :D I stopped by S FLA for a bit in early May. Luckily there was a storm that cooled things down and it was a beautiful 80F that bordered on becoming unbearable just a couple times during the trip (too humid).

    San Diego a shi**y sports town. Definition of bandwagon. During bad times visitors outnumber Charger fans. During good times the whole city except me is a Charger fan. I think I would classify our weather as nice almost year round (we occasionally have cold spells where I have to wear a sweater).
     
  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would do it as well of course but not for myself, but because I know how a true home field advantage can help a team, and it's culture.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    It's disappointing to hear the heat fans getting bad publicity today, it only feeds an already bad reputation for the whole sports culture.

    I actually like the stadium they play in, it's a good place to create electricity, the configuration is interesting, if they didnt have those exits hallways in the lower mid section, it would be even better,but as is, it's a good venue for the fans..I thought besides not getting back to their seats at an appropriate time after half, that they have embraced a more active role in performing as a conscious to intimate crowd ( lot to learn, but not to bad)..Maybe this will teach them a lesson and they will get better out of the embarrassment..

    I think the heat have taken over the town, the kids love to watch the game of basketball, and they have the athletes to showcase the game, and a pretty darn good venue.
     
  22. ckparrothead

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    By the way, THOUSANDS of Heat fans did not leave the arena with a minute left to play. The number has been approximated at about 200 people. Out of 19,000.
     
  23. djphinfan

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    I agree, but this is what happens when you already have the stigma attached, the media likes to sh&$ on south Florida sports culture..

    Did you see the shot of the fans leaving outside the building then trying to return when they found out, the security guards were pushing them outside, blocking the doors and trying to shut them in their faces...pretty funny..

    Imo, if you wanna change the perception of south Florida sports culture, your gonna have to do something crazy, like some sort of public campaign on how to be a great home crowd.
     
  24. Larryfinfan

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    Same things we heard about JRS when it opened. Anyone who had the privilege to attend a Fins game in the OB can't compare the feeling in JRS. That said, things are different now. The NFL is well aware it can't enhance the game much, it's done all that it can. It can't change the cost to the average fan. The costs of going to games has grown exponentially and a family of 4 really can't afford it any longer (a lot like where the NBA finds itself at). It has to change and enhance the experience of going to the games to grow revenues. Steven Ross knows this, that's why he lobbied so hard to get this stadium revamped. Its just ashamed that a few small town politicians have affected the opinions of voters (when they actually let the voters have a say).

    Time to wake up, SFL...out with the old, in with the better...
     
  25. Fineas

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    That about what I'd estimate it to have been.

    Also, the notion that Miami fans are unique in leaving early in an undecided game or that it makes Miami not a sports town is nonsense. Just a week ago, large numbers of Bruins fans left Game 7 against Toronto early and missed a historic comeback.

    http://www.rawcharge.com/2013/5/16/...ECQF-game-7-early-miss-historic-comeback-rant

    http://www.necn.com/05/14/13/Bruins-fan-discusses-leaving-Mondays-gam/landing.html?blockID=840945

    Are Boston fans bad fans? Is Boston not a sports town? Every city and every team has some fans that leave games early and occasionally live to regret it.
     
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  26. djphinfan

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    absolutely, but once you have that stigma attached it will always be sensationalized by the media, which they have demonstrated, their always looking for a reason jump on south Florida teams, were a punch line.
     
  27. djphinfan

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    Every show today has dedicated a segment to the fans leaving..any other sports town this would not be happening..

    Around the horn is about to do a circle jerk on heat fan.
     
  28. padre31

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    Have to agree with Platschke on that one, it does add to the legend of the game.

    10 yrs from now that will be remembered.
     
  29. Jt0323

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    I would never leave any game early. I would hate to be the ones who miss out on something historic. They spent a lot of money to watch the heat the same way I did on TV


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  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Here's the good thing that could come of it...public shame will make you think twice maybe..

    I don't understand why the proper execs don't tell their fans what to do at a game..launch a campaign, tell them you want them to be on time, tell them to get back to their seats before the 2nd half begins, tell them to stand and scream at the right timess, educate them on why it's important.
     
  31. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Numerous reports estimate it at 2,000. Some sections were half empty. If you watched the 2 seconds of when they showed it on TV you could see a logjam of people leaving the exits of ONE section. No way it was only 200 people.
     
  32. PhinishLine

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    Meanwhile....the City of Jacksonville just gave the Jags 40 million for new video displays in the stadium. If Jags got the Superbowl before us......
     
  33. Fineas

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    There's no way it was 2000. That is more than 10% of the bldg. Not even close. I don't think there were any sections that were half empty. Look at the crown in any of the videos of the Allen 3 pt shot -- none show any appreciable number of empty seats.
     
  34. gandalfin

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    Exactly. The visibility and comfort are better in Sunlife, but I could sacrifice that in a second to give our team a greater home field advantage.
     
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  35. Fineas

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    It happened last week in Boston in a Game 7. Sports shows and blogs talked about it.

    It happened in NY in 2000 in the "Monday Night Miracle." It happened more recently in NY in 2010 in a game against the Texans.

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/22/for-jet-fans-who-left-early-regrets-and-recriminations/

    It has happened many times in Philly. http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/andy-reid-desean-jackson-and-endings-for-eagles/

    It has happened in Pittsburgh.


    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/115342754.html


    And it has happened in Green Bay.


    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/115342754.html

    It happens everywhere. In any crowd of tens of thousands of people, there will always be some that leave early when they think the game is out of reach (whether or not it really is). I have personally seen it in NY, Philly, Indianapolis and LA.
     
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  36. djphinfan

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    good for them, building their culture, investing your fanbase into the team.
     
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  37. djphinfan

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    This is the nba finals, and the scenario was not that far fetched.

    does it make sportscenter and every other news vehicle outlet like Miami does?... This is perception continuing to damage the culture.
     
  38. Jt0323

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    Off topic but anyone see plans for the falcons new stadium? Nothing like it


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  39. Fineas

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    This is the NBA Finals, which is why it gets more attention. But it is also why it is somewhat more understandable why many fans leave early. In regular games (in any sport), the visiting team doesn't have a very long and public victory/championship celebration on your own court/field after the game. It's a pretty distasteful thing that many of the people who left cited as their reason for leaving.
     
  40. Justright

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    I bet it was closer to 2000 than 200 though. A lot of peole were filing out of that stadium.
     

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