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Looks like Armando stuck his foot into his mouth this time.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dolphin1184, May 27, 2013.

  1. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I am a 24 year military vet, My son is currently serving in the Marines, My father is a Vietnam Vet and his father was a WWII vet who was a POW in Japan for about 2 1/2 years (three generations of combat Vets, some campaigns more successful then others). Point is I come from a long line of military service and it is something that I and my family believe in… I have not problem with what Armando wrote in the context that it was a heated e-mail exchange with a jack ***. Being a Vietnam vet doesnt give anyone the right to be a *****, as Mr Johnston appears to be. Things happen and things are said at time that are not right but this doesnt even come close to pissing me off (once I read the emails). Just my POV...
     
  2. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    then I guess just about all of us aren't smart enough to have a job b/c most of us have probably been baited into a situation at one point or another, and the fact he writes for a living only increases his odds of it happening.
     
  3. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    At work or with the equivalents of our consumers? lol Don't think so. And if we did you better believe there will be more consequences for us than the consumer involved.

    He writes for a living, he should have some thicker skin.
     
  4. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    If someone posted my e-mails to my ex-girlfriends I'd be in some trouble too.
     
  5. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Liked simply because this is an epic reference to my favorite character ever....
     
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  6. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Armando's apology was good enough for me.

    I never thought he truly believed the anti-military stuff he wrote to begin with. He was angry and trying to hurt the guy back.

    The emailer was a condescending prick. He had no interest in having an actual conversation, only to be a jerk and insult someone. He knew exactly what he was doing. If he didn't, I imagine he has trouble dealing with day-to-day life in our society.

    Armando was guilty of taking the bait and letting him emotions get the better of him in a really bad way.

    As to it being a private conversation, it was. However the communication occurred over Armando's Herald email. So technically it was a business interaction. And whatever rules regarding his behavior, representation and use of electronic communications would apply.
     
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  7. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I truly hope I'm not friends with Billy on this forum b/c I feel he's a complete lowlife. Serving in Vietnam doesn't redeem himself of this, nor should it provide a sense of self-entitlement to act in such an appalling manner. Only scum would stoop low enough to blatantly insult & antagonize another, verbally attack his family & home country, and then publicize the private response he receives back with the intention of destroying his career. As a son of a Marine who was left 100% disabled from Vietnam, I'm embarassed scum like this is associated with individuals who have died for, bled for, and served this country.
     
  8. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    You don't say, Muck. Would've never guessed it. :p
     
  9. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
     
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  10. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I just searched backward through 6 pages to fist bump your post just so you know, Panda. :wink2:
     
  11. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Apparently Salguero has been causing some waves at the Herald for some time. He's accused the Herald of being an in the tank liberal propaganda paper in the past.
     
  12. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    Offseason BS. Who cares what the hell he said or did? They're both idiots.
    Need football now.
     
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  13. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Ah I've gotta at least have a warm body for my victims. High standards.
     
  14. Justright

    Justright Banned

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    I'm not sure how the guy was racist. Bigoted, yes, racist? No.

    And personal responsibility is just that... If you're not in physical harm, control your mouth ( and fingers). It seems young people nowadays have none because there's always an excuse to act like a moron.
     
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  16. PlanB

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    So are we holding Armando to a different standard? What if a teacher or a Fireman or a policeman used that same language? I believe someone in Armando's position has a higher liability. He can truly change lives with what he writes and make a difference. He should be held to the same standard . If a civil servant said that they would be expected to take it. They do every day. He needs to be held accountable.
     
  17. PlanB

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    Read my comments. I said held accountable. Its up to the Herald if they want to fire him and how he is held accountable. I don't believe an apology is enough however. Maybe a sizeable contribution (fine) to a veterans organization is a start though. Mr Ross should revoke his access until he does.
     
  18. Alex44

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    1) Because it's so hard to not care what some random dude who emails you thinks and to hit delete. (Only point related to your post FF)

    2) Immigrants did run this country. As in the people who immigrated here early on and started a family, had children, raised them and so forth.

    3) People like Armando don't run this country, and if they do he is only ****ting on himself because we are one of the most F'd up in the free world.
     
  19. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    These guys don't have enough money to be making sizeable donations.
     
  20. PlanB

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    First off , thank you for your families continued service to our country . My point is , Armando has great authority with his pen. How do we know he can write unbias accounts and stories in the future? He has a platform and needs to be better then he has shown. To be this unfeeling on veteran's day , to show such a lack of character and better judgment , he really needs to be sent to some classes, do some voluntary work with other vets before I'd have any confidence in him.
     
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    A weeks pay would make him be accountable in the future. Its done all the time to our civil servants. They don't have the money either.
     
  22. And that had to shock NO ONE EVER!!!! That would be about as radical as saying the Atlantic Ocean may have some water in it.
     
  23. Bpk

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    I don't think it's sincerely lack of respect or empathy for vets, deep down, that's the probelm with Armando. It's emotional stability. Kind of a tougher issue to address.
     
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  25. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I think this was what I tried to say also, that once a person has shown a tendency to be bigoted and racists publicly, it's very difficult to feel that things he does in the future are genuine, that is something Armando must overcome. However, I also feel that he was baited into losing his professionalism. That in no way excuses him of his indiscretion, it rather explains why he came off as he did. It's a tough lessen but I am not too sure he will learn anything from it, based on his and the the Herald's responses so far...
     
  26. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I still think a lot of you are arguing based on the way things SHOULD be and not on the way things actually are.

    Accuracy isn't as important as controversy. Controversy brings a lot more ratings/readers than the truth does....ESPECIALLY in sports where half the fun of rooting for a team is arguing about various aspects (hence this site and all like it).

    I actually find it hard to believe that we are just one year removed from the ridiculousness of the media last year and people are saying accuracy matters. They were pretty much wrong about everything last year, yet reported things like they were truth, from us being Manning's likely destination to Flynn being a lock to McCoy being our next head coach.
     
  27. Lifelongcane

    Lifelongcane New Member

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    Dude, how did you become so cynical?...and answering that you think you're a realist doesn't excuse the cynicism.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    I don't think it's cynical. I think it's the state of print media and media in general. Skip Bayless is a journalist. Think about that for a moment. He's paid to literally say things as stupid and wrong yet in some weird way defensible as he can possibly say. That's his job.
     
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  29. Lifelongcane

    Lifelongcane New Member

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    100% agree with you but is Skip Bayless where you get your (sports) news from?
     
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  30. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Its not cynicism.

    All media makes money through advertising. You can charge more for advertising the more ratings/readers you get. Accuracy doesn't bring viewers. There's reasons for the cliches like "if it bleeds, it leads" and "man bites dog." Its because they are truisms.

    Your naivete is refreshing, but its blinding you to the facts. Look around, all sports journalists tweet before they report. Why? Because since its Twitter, the burden of proof and source corroboration isn't necessary. If its wrong on Twitter, oh well, "We told you it was rumor", etc. If it turns out to be correct, then they'll "report it" and then tweet to promote the article.

    Again, this isn't cynicism, it is the way it works now. Look at FOX, MSNBC, ESPN, they are all about talking heads and giving opinions.
     
  31. Lifelongcane

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    Wow. I'd really like to know your definition of cynicism! Your argument is not wrong but I think you have generalized a little too much and frankly fallen a little bit for the hype.
     
  32. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    If my argument is not wrong, then I'm not being cynical. Just because a fact is depressing doesn't mean the person pointing out the fact is a pessimist/cynical.
     
  33. Lifelongcane

    Lifelongcane New Member

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    Wrong, wrong,wrong....1) you have determined it as fact, I defined it as a generalization. 2)Pointing out depressing generalizations as facts is exactly the definition of cynicism.
     
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  34. Stringer Bell

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    If the objective is to only produce news stories, then the Miami Herald wouldn't make any money on sports. Actual news is few and far between. It certainly is not enough to satisfy most football fans.
     
  35. Fin D

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    What facts did I make exactly?

    Fine, instead of just telling me I'm wrong, why not prove it? Who is the next Edwin pope? Or go bigger, who is the next Kronkite or Morrow?

    That era doesn't exist anymore, instead news = editorial.
     
  36. jdang307

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    Well we have to split the title journalist into there different roles. There are reporters, who's role is to gather facts and report them, and there are editors, editorialists opinion columnists etc.

    Skip may have been a reporter-type way back when, but he isn't any longer.

    Some people do reporting and then inject opinions as well. There are still reporters out there. But the public has shown an appetite for sensationalism so that's where we are.

    I personally don't care whether Armando gets fired or not. Thankfully, I'm not in that market. But he should be fired just for his inaccurate comments.

    The US didn't lose or fail in their mission, at least not the soliders. If there ever was evidence of the power of the media, it's Vietnam. My uncle who spent 10 years in jail after the war, came to the US shortly thereafter and told me him and his fellow South Vietnam soldiers were in awe every time they saw the Americans fight. There was nothing like it. The anti-war media and US govt. bowing to public pressure failed.

    That's what makes Armando's statement so infuriating. He didn't just direct his ire at the one guy, he basically ripped all the soldiers that fought in Vietnam, including the ones that gave their lives.

    Listen, you can't justify his statements with what provoked them. If he can't handle this then find another profession. If you are in the public eye expect a percentage of nasty correspondence. He's much too thin skinned to be in the media business.
     
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  37. Alex13

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    he has not tweeted for 3 days now
     
  38. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Are you implying the Herald broke his fingers????????????!?!??!?!??!??!:shifty:
     
  39. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    He probably got suspended.
     
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    And considering it's an OTA day, one of few open to the media, I'm pretty sure of this...
     

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