Looks like Armando stuck his foot into his mouth this time.

He's not exempt from criticism, he is getting a lot of that. There's just nothing that can be done to him.

 

If one should be criticized for grabbing the bait and exploding in that fashion, then the other certainly warrants criticism for being the instigator and saying equally unintelligent garbage.

Let's also not forget this was a private back and forth that no doubt this guy Johnston made public.

 

It's exactly what the consumer pays for.

 

This "professional" argument doesn't hold water. Professional what? Professional emailer? Professional of private correspondence? Professional question answerer?

This private email exchange has about as much to do with Armando's job as an email exchange between a plumber and secretary.

 

No blog or twitter from him for two days: Time off or suspended??

 

I think unless there is some sort of public outcry, firing as a pre emptive strike makes little to sense. that is of course assuming mondo doesn't have a history of bringing down economical strife on his newspaper.

 

That's simply wrong.

Anytime you correspond with a customer of a business entity you are employed by you are a professional representative of that business and have to act accordingly. You don't have the freedom to engage in angry reactions regardless of what the other person throws around. If you go out of your way to insult or berate a customer that business entity is affected and it has every right to fire any employee who does something like that. The Herald will be inviting a PR nightmare if they decide to hang on to this idiot.

 

So someone who's being paid to do a job can do a ****ty job as long as the consumer isn't paying for it?

That's setting the bar reeeally high.

 

Exactly. He's a public figure representing a newspaper.

On what planet is it intelligent for him to do what he did? Of course the Herald is going to have a problem with it.

 

Armando should, and most likely will, be fired. If Armando had said such things about any other group of people, ie gays, blacks, Asians etc, there would be no question about him being fired.

 

Well get ready for your nightmare prediction to be wrong because nothing is going to come of this except the initial apology email to Johnston and perhaps a statement apologizing to Vietnam veterans (but not Johnston personally, not again). That's it.

 

Johnston demeaned and offended immigrants and that was what set Armando off. Any immigrant who sees this exchange will no doubt recognize the Armando took it way too far with his second e-mail and should be reprimanded, however they will also recognize he was defending immigrants from this guy's ignorant garbage, and will give him some sympathy.

 

His job puts him in the public eye. Part of his job is to handle being there and dealing with the negatives that come along with it. If he cannot do that, he should find a job where he doesn't have to be in the public eye. If being called "sally" and some low level ethnic slurs makes one respond like that, then a different career is probably in order. Maybe a plumber or a secretary. Also, he sent the e-mail from his work account, that makes him a direct representitive of the Miami Herald. Still, if I'm in charge, as long as this was a first offense, I probably wouldn't fire him. If the story gets blown up and draws a bunch more attention, I'd send him on his way.

 

It comes down to something very simple:

Does the company think Armando's contribution to their business outweigh the headache this caused? That's the only thing that will dictate what happens.

Personally, I hope it causes the Herald to take some kind of action. He's made a living at pontificating about other people needing to be fired or not for making the Dolphins organization look bad or good, there's no reason he shouldn't be punished for making the Herald look bad and no reason he shouldn't be subjected to similar scrutiny.

 

i saw that too, interesting

 

The only thing that makes the "he's a professional" angle relevant is the fact that he was on a work email. Which makes the "enormity" (/sarcastiquotes) being painted about the incident look absurd to me, because if he'd simply spent 5 seconds logging onto his Yahoo! account before replying, suddenly it'd be a total non-issue. If that's the case then obviously this issue isn't all that enormous at all.

 

The Herald disagrees with you:

You think the Herald really wants this kind of response from one of their professionals? What e-mail account he used is completely secondary.

 

Two turntables and a microphone...

 

Is anyone here genuinely outraged by his comments? I'm not a fan of Armando but this should not result in his firing. Too many PC cops.

 

I am Armando's bloated sense of accomplishment...

 

A lot worse stuff was said by Johnston.

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Sword fight between two douchebags on the internet.
Yawn.

 

Actually, probably a whole lot less. Johnston was pressing almost insanely hard. Armando should have walked away clean.

He knew he was in the public arena, and should not respond because sooner or later it would come back to haunt him, but he allowed himself to be baited into a snapping contest. It almost makes me wonder if Johnston was a red herring planted to bait Armando deliberately, and Armando swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

Not that I have any great love for Armando's opinions - I don't. But, I certainly think that his little diatribe against Vietnam Vets alone ought to rightly draw some flak if for no other reason that he should have known better! That is my era of service, and Armando has absolutely no idea what was happening in this country at that time. His little remark reminded me all to much of the type of trash vets and service personnel at that time had to endure on almost a daily basis from both sides of the perspective.

 

Agreed. That doesn't equate to him being terminated anymore than it does Johnson to be terminated.

 

Yeah, you go to Golden Corral and you don't expect a good meal. You shouldn't expect much quality from the free-of-charge Miami Herald.

 

I know a number of my high school classmates, friends, and some shipmates who might disagree with your lack of interest. Unfortunately, a number of them can no longer reply - and haven't been able to reply since 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973. A whole lot more who can remember really don't want to remember. I think Armando should spend some time writing the names down on a certain black wall in Washington before he makes some crappy comments about those people!

 

Johnson is lucky to have the anonymity of the internet to hide behind. However if he starts writing nasty emails to the consumers of his employer, I doubt they'd be too thrilled about it.

Bad analogy. The Golden Corral's food isn't pumped through the pipeline to other restaurants around the country and it doesn't negatively effect the Dolphins the same way Armando's garbage does.

 

I think people should take the time to remember how many of those names were latino before they just hate on mando.

 

I gotta agree with you here Rev...His comments, while certainly provoked by someone who purpose was to provoke him and not inform him, are terribly, terribly insensitive and stupid (Mando obviously didn't do his homework on what that era was all about). Having spent 1973, 1974 in that area I can tell Mr. Salguero, that the fact that the South fell after we moved out was due to political reasons and certainly not military reasons...

That said, to those who feel that the fact that Salguero was goaded into stupid remarks in no means excuses him because of the guidelines of his chosen profession.

Like it, lump it or otherwise, he needs to be reprimanded, up to and potentially including censure and termination....

 

I'm from South Florida. About a quarter of my high school class was Cubano - refugees from Castro. And a good number of them served - some of them became high ranking mustangs. Some of them made the wall.

 

exactly. Which believe me, I am no fan of mando or his comments towards vets. But, I do understand it. I have relatives who fought for this country in various wars. None of them deserve to be disrespected by mando or even an ex vet.

 

Conversely, Mr. Johnston, if you're reading this you also delved into a rampage of stupidity and sent out a lot of mis-information. You also were extremely insensitive and stupid and should spend some time in the corner or whatever means there is of reprimanding you for goading Salguero, spewing incorrect nasties about the role of certain individuals in the political arena of SFL and being generally stupid. Growing up in SFL half or more of my friends, some relatives and acquaintances were of Cuban decent. As with EVERY group of people (political, socio-economic, race or religion) there are those that are not the best of representatives of said group. You need to understand that. In fact, in my humble opinion, you fall into that category as a veteran of the Vietnam conflict... You should also be ashamed of yourself for the way you acted...

 

that just means you missed the point.

 

Maybe sensitivity to that through a service action like you suggest is exactly what his 'punishment' should be.

 

I strongly agree with CK, sumlit, lmeister, aesop. I surprise myself by saying I completely have Armando's back on this one. What "Bill" did and said was intolerable. As such, Armando took the bait and desrves a warning about how to better deal with hateful, racist *******s. But while his reaction was out of measure, it was not the wrong reaction to be upset by Johnson... just an OVER reaction emotionally. He needed to contain his emotions better and reply with class or not at all (block the guy).

Given that Armando's response was 'after midnight' there may be the insinuation Armando had had a couple of drinks perhpas, and had less of a filter.

Honestly, if someone insulted my parents, my race, and was clearly a rotten *** person full of hate (despite having been heroic at some point), I would tolerate it only so far and may go off on him as well.

Reprimand, sure. Fired? **** that. That's bull****. The bad guy wins if Armando gets fired here.

Wonder if we can do something liek the beer-summit Obama did with that cop and black professor. Like a Cubano Sammich Summit?


p.s. - I agree that what Armando said was horrendously insensitive to vets and the families of vets (and vets who were lost in conflict, or were wounded phsyically or psychologically while defending our country). It was stupid to attack the GROUP of vets, not the INDIVIDUAL Johnson. It was bad emotional self-control to attack EITHER. Still, I think the instigator is more to blame.

 

oops.

Double post.

 

I'm not a PC person , but I'm sick of one group of people getting whatever they wish when a person utters anything in their direction and others, like soldiers who have given their lives get dumped on like a bowl in a scat film. That said I emailed both the Herald and the Dolphins and voiced my concerns. While he does not deserve to lose his job and the way he makes a living, he needs to be counseled on how to better serve his readers and the Miami Dolphins. What he said was disgraceful. We expect better from our firemen , cops and teachers. They are held to higher standards. I'm SICK of the press running amok and hiding behind the second amendment. They need to be held accountable too.

 

To be clear, I'm rooting for Armando to get canned about 50/50 for ignorance/****ty reporting.

If this was anyone else, save for Omar, I wouldn't have the same reaction.