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Has Ted Ginn lived up to your expectations?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Captain lou, Dec 21, 2007.

  1. Captain lou

    Captain lou New Member

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    So far he has scored 2 tds, not bad for 7th overall pick :huh1: He has shown glimmers here and there. He has had many oportunities returning kicks because we've given up alot of points!

    Lets put it in perspective we are 29th in the league in the return game. Individually Ted Ginn in 21st putting him in the bottom half. He has contributed a whopping 340 yards as a receiver.

    He may end up being a good player for us. When you consider he has been up staged by players drafted well after him like Bowe and Gonzales, and in the return game by an undrafted Cribbs.

    I would have to say considering the overwhelming evidence he was most certainly a reach. Cam I have to disagree Ginn hasn't been the exciting player you had in mind. Unless you consider 21 yard kick returns exciting.

    IMHO Ted Ginn was a bad pick for us at the number 7 spot!!!!
     
  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Cribbs is in his 3rd year, and Ginn could've had 3 return TDs this year.

    I am pretty happy with his production at WR too, considering who he has getting him the ball. I mean every time I see him, he is open, and hasn't dropped it much.
     
  3. namor

    namor New Member

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    Hard to say,since the WHOLE team has been dissapointing to me.
     
  4. Bruzer

    Bruzer New Member

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    I am pretty happy with his production so far its the rest of the team I thinking hurting him more than anything. Inconsitant qb play and penalties on returns has hurt us alot. Also we drafted him at #9 not 7..
     
  5. Zippy

    Zippy The Man in Black. Club Member

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    I think another thing to keep in mind is that our team has been terrible most the year. I have seen very few bright spots this year, that said I think Ginn has been one of the bright spots. Lets give him time and see what happens. At least he is playing each week. I think he will be a decent WR on down the line.
     
  6. Nublar7

    Nublar7 Senior Member

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    We took Ginn at #9.
     
  7. Captain lou

    Captain lou New Member

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  8. SMOKE

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    I'm happy with him. I expect a lot more out of him next season with a healthy team. A good run game and a good wide receiver opposite him can make a world of difference. He also needs some stability at QB.
    Replacing Armstrong and picking up a couple of good special team guys would greatly improve his kick return production, imo.
     
  9. Phin-o-rama

    Phin-o-rama Well-Known Member

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    well he would have 3 returns this year if it were not for holding penalties that were not even relevant to him breaking free....

    we can barely block for our running backs, and our QB...dont' you think our blocking on special teams sucks too?


    i am excited that this guy will be on our team for years to come, and as the TEAM gets better, he will show more and more why we should be happy to have him, regardless of the number he was drafted.
     
  10. PhiNomina

    PhiNomina White-Collar Redneck

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    He has put up WAY better numbers than Brady Quinn.

    My point is that he is a rookie - and can't be expected to be Steve Smith yet. If the player everyone wanted us to take has yet to do ANYTHING - why should we still consider our player to be the wrong choice?

    I think Teddy has shown much better route running than we expected and has proven his speed translates to the pro game. We haven't had anyone who could get him the ball deep so he has been reserved to short routes and refining his game. It may be a blessing in disguise for his development.
     
  11. psingh01

    psingh01 New Member

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    Who is clearly better than Ginn between picks #10 and the John Beck pick?
     
  12. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    P. Willis and maybe Carriker and Okoye, but that's about it.
     
  13. hellomotto

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    he's a rookie. you people have problem understanding that. wait till 2nd or 3rd year. very rarely do rookies dominant the first year. "rarely"!!!!!
     
  14. SaskFinFan

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    hes gong to be a very good player for the team, he has shown alot of promise, and will be the impact player we needed.
     
  15. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I think Ginn has looked really good for a rookie receiver. I think next year will tell alot about how good he can become. So far all is good
     
  16. sabanhater

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    he'll only get better. you ever think Quinn just wasn't worth the #9 either? We filled a need with Beck, and we got a speedy receiver as well. Give them time.
     
  17. TimeGap

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    Ginn's been a better reciever than I expected, My only problem with him is his weight, with ten more pounds he wouldn't be tackle so easily.
     
  18. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Uh, isn't Dwayne Bowe leading all rookie WR's in most categories. Wasn't he picked mid-20's. Ginn's OSU buddy Anthony Gonzalez has done better. Ginn was a reach pick, and while he may prove his worth down the line, there are certainly better KR/PR and WR's that were drafted after him. Bowe, Jones, Figurs, Anthony Gonzalez to name a few.

    I wanted Brady Quinn at 9, and while hindsight has shown maybe he wasn't the right pick, as of yet, but there are certainly better options than Ginn at #9. The only draft pick from this year who's proved his worth is Satele. Beck, the jury is still out on; Booker's had a few highlights here and there; and Soliai just looks miserable. Every pick after that seems like a whiff.
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    I think I would be lying to myself if I said I wasn't a little bit disappointed with the overall production, but we still have two games left. I kind of handicapped three return TDs this year...and even though he did return three, two of them were called back and that will happen so we shouldn't necessarily just count those return TDs so naturally.

    On the other hand, as a return man I wanted him to at the very least be a guy that makes coaches not want to kick to him. And, I think he's done that. Andy Reid avoided him. The Bills avoided him. Some others did I believe as well.

    As a WR, on one hand he's a little more polished than I thought he'd be. On the other hand I am disappointed he couldn't produce more than one TD...even though that's probably a QB thing.

    In the off season I expect him to get a better base in his legs, and make big improvement between his first and second year, as many players do. Even Devin Hester (somehow) got better as a return man.
     
  20. RoninFin4

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    CK, good to see you around the boards again man. I hope you're right and Ginn improves from this year to next.
     
  21. Dolphins77

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    Yes, he has. He has a receiving touchdown (unexpected) and a few return touchdowns. He's only getting started.
     
  22. psingh01

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    Gonzalez is playing opposite Reggie Wayne and has Peyton Manning throwing to him....
     
  23. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    Pfffft everybody knows those don't factor into how well a player produces. I mean look at welker..........
     
  24. jdang307

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    Can't tell you yet, still has about two more years before I decide if he met expectations.
     
  25. psingh01

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    :ffic:
     
  26. late again

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    I agree with you concerning Bowe. Gonzalez, too. Although, Gonzalez certainly benefits from the Colts' system; much the way Wayne does.
    What I don't see is how you can say Jacoby Jones and Yamon Figurs are better than Ginn. Help me out here.

    http://www.nfl.com/players/jacobyjones/careerstats?id=JON404038
    http://www.nfl.com/players/yamonfigurs/careerstats?id=FIG715551
    http://www.nfl.com/players/tedginnjr./careerstats?id=GIN403290
     
  27. pocoloco

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    No way to tell yet, QB and WR usually take a number of years before you know. Although I would have personally have ranked Quinn and Willis above him, it's true that Ginn is essentially like having two players in one. If you're willing to give Beck a pass because of poor o-line play and weird playcalling, you gotta do the same with Ginn
     
  28. NYFinFan

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    I'm personally happy with the way Ginn has played. He has shown very good hands, which most "experts" said was one of his main problems. The qb has been unable to hit him consistently and on a week to week basis it seems he is usually open on a deep play 1-2 times a game and the quarterback is just unable to get it to him.
     
  29. #1DoLfAnOKesh

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    not yet but i think next year he will come into his own
     
  30. finfansince72

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    He showed promise as a returner and receiver, considering the garbage team he's been on I'd say he's met expectations, the team however.....Ginn's a real talent, I like our last draft a lot.
     
  31. Regan21286

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    He's shown promise but for a guy picked #9 overall, I expected more. He just hasn't made much of an impact in the receiving game and has yet to reach 70 yards receiving (unless you want to tally the yards after fumbles to his 67 yd game vs. Buffalo).
     
  32. RoninFin4

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    I should have clarified my Joneses...I was referring to James Jones of Green Bay http://www.nfl.com/players/jamesjones/profile?id=JON404681.

    Figurs and Ginn are pretty comparable when it comes to kick returning. I'm just saying that you should get more immediate value from a top 10 draft pick unless it's a QB you plan to sit a la Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, Brady Quinn etc.
     
  33. Finominal

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    Keep in mind this is the special teams you are talking about with the returns. The stupid penalties, and dreadful Keith Armstrong coaching have probably not helped Ginn there. Wait until you see this guy with a good quarterback with another second of two to throw the ball. I don't care where he was picked, we had to take him then or not have him. Next year we will be glad he's on our team.
     
  34. Jsbaugh

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    Ginn will be fine once things turn around with the rest of the team. Its hard to evaluate anyone on a bad team.
     
  35. DogBone34

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    Like most I expected to hear Quinn's name called at #9. If I had the Beck/Edwards strategy I would have gone Willis before Ginn.

    I do like things about Ginn. He can be dangerous with support around him.

    Hindsight: Cromartie/Willis Reality: Allen/Ginn
     
  36. FinsAreLife

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    hes done what ive eexpected him to at the 9th pick he has so much potential and its just starting to fill out. I expect a lot from ginn next year.
     
  37. #1dolphinsfan

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    I have been pretty happy with the way he has played i am glad we pick him
     
  38. Awsi Dooger

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    Ginn can run right past the best CBs and scare the life out of a defense. That will be a constant as long as he's in his prime, and no way I'm disappointed to have that type of weaponry for a change.

    In recent college football I thought -- and posted -- that the 3 guys who you could stick at the goal line and say, "score!" were Reggie Bush, Devin Hester and Ted Ginn. So getting one of the 3 felt great.

    In preseason and early in the year the speed was not what I expected, but that must have been leftovers from the Fiesta Bowl injury. Now the burst is back.

    I overestimated Ginn as a return man. I thought he was nearly Hester's equal and that was ignorance. Hester has the compact legs and the ability to dart, creating holes out of nowhere by changing the flow. Ginn is more of a weaving and outrunning type of return man, so the openings have to be there naturally for him.

    Actually, returning in the NFL is darn tough so I'm hesitant to expect too much. Even Hester is finding it more challenging in most games. I've noticed he is relying too much on that one scheme, moving about 5 yards to his right then quickly shifting back to the center of the field. It's his bread and butter NFL move, the one that produced a TD to open the Super Bowl. But teams are apparently noticing the tendency and closing it on him. Last week against Minnesota it produced one huge opportunity but Hester slipped in the hole just as it opened, and you could tell he was incredibly frustrated.
     
  39. VanDolPhan

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    If Finheaven ever comes back up I can dig up the post after he was drafted. I said 3 returned TD's and about 25-35 catches for 400 yards since WR's rarely explode their first year (ie: See Calvin Johnson in the pass happy Detroit offense). Never figured our special teams blocking would become so bad by getting rid of all the veteran special teams guys and the constant flags they produced the first half of the season (Remember we all felt like there was going to be a flag everytime there was a return)

    Unfortunately, most of his playing time is coming after Ronnie went down leading to a lack of respect towards our running game and he's getting doubled nearly every down combined with the lack of good QB's.

    Dwayne Bowe is the exception to the rules and shouldn't be compared to (hell in KC the media were referring to him as a bust in training camp cause he was always injured so imagine how stupid you are digging at Ginn right now). Bowe 'could' crack 1000 yards but he'd only be the SIXTH WR since 1990 to do so. As I posted in another thread.

    Rookie WRs w/1,000 yds since '90
    Player Yr. Stats
    Joey Galloway, Seahawks | '95 | 1,039 yds, 7 TDs
    Terry Glenn, Pats '96 | 1,132 yds, 6 TDs
    Randy Moss, Vikes '98 | 1,313 yds, 17 TDs
    Anquan Boldin, Cards '03 | 1,377 yds, 8 TDs
    Michael Clayton, Bucs '04 | 1,193 yds, 7 TDs

    Lets not forget that Ginn spent the first half of the season as the #4 and sometimes #3. Lets also not forget he's gotten deep several times, including once where he was literally begging for the ball arms waving with no one around for 15 yards and Lemon dumped it off. The offense just isn't in sync to make good use of a deep play guy.
     
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  40. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Speed can be easily countered by a speedy CB and good safety. And speed can deteriorate over time and injury. Look at guys like Dante Hall. Sooner or later, Devin Hester's going to need to find another skill set or become extinct. And even Santana Moss is prone to boom or bust games. And Ginn hasn't exactly blown past CB's in every game like Greg Jennings. Size though is harder to defend against. CB's and safeties are usually too short and LB's will likely be too slow. It's why TO, Moss, CJ, Roy Williams, Fitzgerald, etc have found success.
     

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