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What is the realistic expectation for 2013?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Pauly, May 4, 2013.

  1. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    The GMs job is to improve the talent. IMO Ireland has done that.
     
  2. jw3102

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    I think your expectations are very realistic. I can see the Dolphins starting out 1-4 and finishing the season 7-4. This would give them an 8-8 season and if they possibly go 2-3 in their first five games, this might be enough to get them to 9-7.

    I don't see the 2013 season being a playoff year for the Dolphins, but with more offensive weapons in next years draft, along with continued improvement from Tannehill, the Dolphins could be a legitimate playoff contender by 2014. At least they finally appear to be headed in the right direction. Now we just have to hope Tannehill develops into the QB, many people on here think he will.
     
  3. jw3102

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    That is still to be determined. On paper the Dolphins appear to be a better team, but until we see how these new players perform on the playing field, we can only speculate that the talent on the team has been upgraded.

    Ireland will be judged by how the players he has selected play on the field and what the teams record is once the 2013 season is over. A winning season for the Dolphins will probably be evidence that Ireland should be retained as the teams GM. A non winning season, or even a 8-8 record would once again have fans questioning if Ireland is the right GM for this organization going forward.

    I say we just let the season play out and see how this team develops. There will be plenty of time after the season to discuss how effective Ireland has been as the teams GM.
     
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  4. ASOT

    ASOT New Member

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    Rd I wish it was that good. If they don't have at least an 8-8 season it will actually be a 5th straight losing season (7-9 in 2009, 7-9 2010, 6-10 2011 & 7-9 2012). If they go 7-9 the verdict will be pretty clear on Ireland, his record in his tenure will be 45-52. Not many GM's survive that kind of record. This one may, but then that will be reflection then on Ross and his desire to win, or rather not win. At that point anymore talk from Ross about bringing a winner to Miami will have to be looked at as, nothing more than BS, because his actions will have shown otherwise.
     
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  5. Stringer Bell

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    8-10 wins.
     
  6. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Without going into a drawn out disertation. Expectation is to win more games then we did in 2012. End of story. It does not matter who plays where or who does what, win more games is the bottom line.
     
  7. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    There's one school of thought, backed up by statistical analysis, that strength of schedule and team health are the two biggest factors in differentiating between "good" and "great" years.
     
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  8. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    We re-signed the guy who keeps falling down and signed another guy who gets 3 YAC.
     
  9. NolesNPhinsFan

    NolesNPhinsFan New Member

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    He IS, after all the GM.
     
  10. Stringer Bell

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    What exactly do you believe the position entails?
     
  11. NolesNPhinsFan

    NolesNPhinsFan New Member

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    To collect enough talent to sustain a winning team.
     
  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Not me. I'll be happy with a playoff berth. This team has the talent to achieve that.

    Anything less is a failed season IMO.
     
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  13. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Cameron Wake says hello.
     
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  14. Stringer Bell

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    That is way too broad and ambiguous of a description. We know for a fact that he doesn't even negotiate contracts entirely.
     
  15. NolesNPhinsFan

    NolesNPhinsFan New Member

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    Ok, what does he do then?
     
  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Doesn't matter as much as the fact that he has final say so on personnel accrual.
     
  17. Stringer Bell

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    He does not. He can't sign a player unilaterally.
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    Hard for anyone outside of the organization to say with any certainty. It's obvious that decisions are made collectively though.
     
  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Who does have final say on personnel then? In your opinion?

    However, he does have the final authority on signing players. While he may gather the opinions of others, such as the coaches and scouts, he does have the final say so. The tie breaking vote, whatever.
     
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  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That hasn't stopped you from saying.
     
  21. NolesNPhinsFan

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    Now we have "Jeff Ireland, International Man of Mystery" ..lol!
     
  22. finwin

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    What happened to the Fire Jeff Ireland website? Phins have not done anything but wait till the first loss. They'll be back, especially if its against Cleveland.

    http://firejeffireland.wordpress.com/
     
  23. finwin

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    What happened to the Fire Jeff Ireland website? Phins have not done anything but wait till the first loss. They'll be back, especially if its against Cleveland.
     
  24. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Miami was 7-9 and a couple of makable kicks away from being 9-7, with a rookie QB and a horrible WR corps. I would be disappointed if the Fins dont have a winning record this year.

    What I expect to see from the Fins is early struggles while the team comes together with a strong finish.

    I could see the Fins starting the season 2-3. Sweep of the Jets and Bills would give them 6 wins. Bengals, Bucs, Steelers and Panthers are all winnable games (as we sit right now). That leaves the two pats games as the elephant in the room.
     
  25. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    You call the 89th best player in the NFL a super star? shesh…. :couch:
     
  26. djphinfan

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    So we go 9 and 7 and we don't get in, then what?
     
  27. padre31

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    At least 10-6,1 playoff win, and at least a split with the patriots and sweep the rest of the AFCE.

    Enough talk so to speak, time to deliver.
     
  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Calling Wake the 89th best player in the league is a frigging joke. I couldn't believe it when I saw that. As a pass rusher, he is no worse than the 3rd best. As valuable as pass rushing is, how can anyone call the 3rd best one the 89th best player? God damn fools anyway.
     
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  29. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    that is possible… or they could finish the season 8-3 after the bye week, finish 10-6 and get in.

    Not really sure about the Pats… seems to me like they have lost a couple key players that they have not replaced. They had a lot of injury problems last year along the OL and as far as I know they have done nothing to address that. All those guys are going to be a year older… I could see them slipping back to the pack some.
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It's a failed season to me then. We were two very makeable FGs away from 9-7 last season, with the most pedestrian WR corps in the league, and a defense that was among the worst at getting takeaways. IMO, this was already a 9-7 team, had we just resigned all our own UFAs, no others, and drafted only Caleb Sturgis and kept Bess. If you truly believe that the actual free agents moves resulted in a net upgrade, along with the rest of the draft, also considering the natural progress as a pro QB that Tannehill should make, for this team to go 9-7 and miss the playoffs is no improvement as a team whatsoever.
     
  31. djphinfan

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    I hear what your saying, but missed kicks are in every years equation, 2 more wins is an improved team based on a Lot of variables, the other variables that can keep a 9 and 7 team out of the playoffs are ones you can't control..Two more wins is an acceptable ascension plane for the youngest team in the league imo.
     
  32. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Last years Fins were is just about every game, the only three games I dont think they competed in were the Texans, Titans and 2nd Pats game. Seems to me they are going to be better then that with Tannehill having another year under his belt… and having some weapons. Someone to help with the passrush across from Wake…. We are better along the OL with Calib at RT, either Louis or a better shape JJ at RG… Pouncey and Incognito are not problems.. and I have to think that Martin is going to improve some...
     
  33. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Dolphins lose to Cleveland. Not at all.

    And Fireland hasn't gone anywhere, it's just been drowned out by the enthusiasm over Mike Wallace.
     
  34. padre31

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    D was also 27th in passing yards allowed, this is one of the reasons why I love our draft class.

    Cannot add that many Vet pieces, and not have a successful season, that is why

    10-6/1-1/4-0/1

    Is my formula for this yr at a minimum
     
  35. djphinfan

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    Lol, your right, and two more wins is pretty good, not sure a fireable offense..

    In a vacuum, give me the youngest team in the league, with a 2nd year Qb, and 9 wins in the NFL on a tough schedule..you wouldn't take that?
     
  36. Gunner

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    I have to go with 7-9 again. Not because we didn't get better, but because our schedule feels a lot more difficult. Too many things have to fall our way for us to break above .500 imo. Best case scenario would be Jordan turns out to be the best DE/OLBer to come out of the draft in years, our revamped O-Line gels quickly and plays better than expected, T-hill and the new WR core click from opening day, our young HB group excels beyond expectations, and one or two of our new CBs turn out to be ball-hawking interceptions machines. Then you have to look at what will need to happen outside of the team. Jests and Jills will have to regress to the point where we sweep them and we somehow steal one from the Pats. We also will need to win the games we "should" win. Browns and Chargers are not games we can afford to go out and lay an egg and expect to have a legit shot at the playoffs (see '12 Titans game). And lastly, if we are hanging tough with a legit contender (see '12 49er game), we'll need to steal one of those also.
     
  37. sloppyjoer

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    I am with many here for 9-7, with the top being 10-6 and vying for a playoff appearance. I would be ecstatic with a 10-6 record, but our first 5 games before the bye will determine if we tank in another losing season, or are serious for contending for a WC slot.

    We SHOULD be able to sweep BUF and NYJ, and if we can at LEAST split with NE, then anything is possible.
     
  38. Larryfinfan

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    Yeah....gotta see ya one here Deej... Lets come out of this season feeling that Tanny is the guy, Martin is adequate at LT, this rookie class contributes adequately and Miller is a legit running back. Let's see us play well against some of the better teams in the league, win or lose and I would be a happy guy...
     
  39. Stringer Bell

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    I think its a collective process between Ireland, Aponte, and to a smaller degree Stephen Ross.

    No, I don't believe Jeff Ireland can offer a contract without Aponte signing off on it.
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    I think I've been very clear in my opinion that Jeff Ireland is not acting with complete autonomy.
     

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