Why don't we just sign Bryant McKinnie to a 1 year deal?

Because they have weapons and a QB.

If you are stocked pretty well, you can do these things. They've made the playoffs quite a bit. They need finishing pieces.

Finding gems in the later rounds and FA affords you that opportunity.

 

So where exactly are the Dolphins at? They've signed multiple skill positions players and have virtually every single position filled besides slot/#2 TE end. Does that needs to be filled before they can pick something according to your philosophy of personnel management?

 

Hello? I've said I'm cool with an OT now. If you are QB and offensive weapon bankrupt, then no.

I think a Franchise LT is a luxury. Just give me good and I'm happy. Not top 5. Top 10 is cool. Top 12.

If Tannehill is our guy, sure, get that elite LT. If your elite LT is protecting Henne, John Beck or the QBs the browns have trotted out since drafting Joe Thomas, what's the point?

 

How do you just pretend the rookie scale changed nothing in regards to grabbing a non sure thing QB over a sure thing LT #1?

Imagine if if there was no rookie scale in this draft and we had the first pick, and you'd want us to tie $100M to Geno Smith instead of Fisher or Joeckel?

 

Rookie wage scale has totally changed the game. It makes it kind of tough to compare drafts before and after the new PBA. The old one screwed Detroit year after year. Now you can sit #1 and not be screwed for years if that player is a bust.

I wd like to see Martin play decent at LT and have the offense scheme to get a chip from Keller or Miller or have Tanny roll away some or even roll into the rush.

 

So wait, when can you draft a LT in the top 5? Never?

How does that work when one of the major pitfalls in a rookie quarterbacks development is bad habits coming in reaction to pressure?

 

I know. I agree. That was for the posters who literally scoff at the idea of a LT in the top 10, let alone the top 5. They know who they are.

 

Wait... What?

Are you serious? Who EVER thought that bringing Colombo in period was a good idea???

 

Yeah, I'm dead serious. There were posters on this board who believed Colombo was a better signing than Mckinnie would have been. There's documented proof of it in a closed thread. If I were to copy and paste the posts I'd probably get in trouble with the mods again so you'll just have to take my word for it.

Just an example of some of the homerism that runs rampant on this board at times thinly disguised as objective "analysis."

 

Post the link to the thread then.

 

That does not entail anyone believing he was a good signing.

 

I'm not going to go into the argument to much because I'm not willing to do the work to look up the comments. But I remember this as well. I speificially remember some members saying McKinnie was 400+ lbs and didnt deserve a shot. I hate the Colombo signing and didnt really care to try Mckinnie either for the record.

 

Both McKinnie and Winston want multiyear(3-5, sizeable bonus) contract. Really as they should as their careers are in their twilight years.

This team is going young end of story.

 

I wouldn't really want to give either multi year deal. But I would rather give Winston a 2 year deal then McKinnie with his past weight issues

 

There are no more weight issue Nap, he's in excellent condition, and wants a new contract.

 

Source?

 

BenVolinPBP RT @RavensInsider: An NFL source familiar with Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland's thinking on Bryant McKinnie called this a "look-see meeting."

 

No I know. But is it because he wants a new multi year deal or is it because he wants to continue to play football. Big distinction there.

I agree. I would just be weary of given a guy multi year deal who has had weight issues and a drop in play when that happen in such recent history. I wouldn't mind signing him to a 1 year deal. Wouldn't hurt.

 

That depends on the contract.

 

What the hell does that even mean

Loook-see if hes on the Jenny Craig diet or the John Jerry diet?

 

At this point, right or wrong, I'd just as soon go with Winston at right and Martin at left. Both would be playing the position they are better at and if Martin is indeed getting stronger we should be fine.

 

Orrrrrr......wait for it....Winston either wants more than we're willing to pay or has already decided to move on and didn't want to wait on us to figure things out? There is no reason to think that Martin isn't ready yet, no matter who we go after...

 

Ugh McKinnie would be a poor option. I'd much rather drop next years 2nd rounder and a later pick + the cash into Eugene Monroe before ever letting McKinnie in here. It took the Ravens the entire regular season to get him into shape for the playoffs before finally letting him start.

 

He played really well in the playoffs, so it's not a spur of the moment revelation, I would answer your question as both..He sounded very serious about being in shape and proving himself to get back to an elite level..at 34 it's hard, but he's never really played at an ideal weight you know, maybe this will give him longevity...what a brilliant idea, a pro football player playing at their optimum weight level.

 

I'm just a bit weary of Winston, maybe because I'm just not familiar with his game, and he keeps getting cut..

 

He didn't get cut with the Texans if memory serves. He was just too expensive to re-sign when they had so much money tied up in other guys.

 

Translation, you think your better than we do..

 

Pretty sure he signed a 4 year deal with KC last year for around 5 mil a year. He was a cap casualty this year.

 

Honestly, I thought Martin looked much better on the left side than the right. He played pretty well there until the New England game where he was clearly not strong enough. Like I said if he gets stronger I think he can get the job done for us there.

 

Nah bro, why don't we trade for him midseason after our original free agent pickup produces a sack and a half per game.

 

Not true. As a Ravens fan I've seen him when he is motivated and is among the best pass blockers in the NFL. Flacco enjoyed his finest protection during the 2011 season with Bryant anchoring the Blind Side. In 2012 he was in the doghouse for reporting out of shape and overweight. Put into action game 12 for the Superbowl run and win. We would have never made it otherwise. Thanks Bryant.

 

I see Mckinnie as a horrid fit particularly for the zone stretch play we wanted to run at the beginning of the year. That was clearly going to be one of our bread and butter plays going in. Maybe we've just given up on it now (Clabo's play would certainly dictate such a move). IMO Martin is a better LT prospect than a RT prospect. Most systems want more foot speed from their LTs and more core strength from their RTs. I know some here have been saying they prefer Martin at RT, but I just don't see it. Martin has always been a guy with decent foot speed and poor core strength. And obviously Mckinnie has not played RT in the NFL, AFAIK. Mckinnie made little sense before the season. I'm not sure he makes a ton of sense now, except that we may now just be hoping that while he's less mobile than the immobile Clabo that he will at least take longer to run around just based on girth. However, there's still the issue of where to play him. Based on skill set, I would say that Martin fits better at LT and Mckinnie fits better at RT, but since he's never played RT (and at 34 there's no long-term with him) does it make sense to have him switch? In the short-term (assuming it makes any sense to play Mckinnie) it probably makes more sense to play Mckinnie at left and Martin at right. Then next year where Martin plays may be determined by what's available. If you pick up a natural LT (say Albert?) then you justify moving Martin to RT. If you pick up some mauler RT type in the draft then you would move Martin back to LT.

 

Not necessarily. There are many Ts that get moved back and forth depending on their team's needs.

 

I'm still not convinced he was acquired to start. I think there's a chance they got him to back up whichever developmental guy they put there.

I could be wrong.

 

I would hope this little experiment of Martin being a starting LT would be over anyway.