I read somewhere today that the Dolphins have apparently been in talks with Oakland to trade their first round picks as soon as Oakland is on the clock. Now while this is a big leap, the speculation would revolve around what player they would want to get. A lot of talk has gone around Miami trading up to get an OT, and with a jump to 3 it would probably be for Eric Fisher. My question is why pay that much more to move up to 3 for Fisher when for cheaper they can trade to 6 or 7 to get Lane Johnson, who is the most athletic O-line in the draft and that type of player fits in Philbin's scheme. My theory is this. IF, and it is a big IF, the Dolphins do want to switch with the Raiders I think they want to get Dee Milliner. Who are the top 3 teams pretty much every mock has Dee Milliner going to? The Eagles, Lions, and Browns. Those are picks 4, 5, and 6. A trade to 3 would jump over the most likely locations for Dee Milliner, seeing that most mocks have Joekel to Chiefs and Dion Jordan to Jaguars. I also read a report that said Miami is very high on Dee Milliner, add that with the fact that outside of Grimes (if he recovers to his old self) we don't have a dominant CB, and that we are looking for an OT outside of the draft (Trade talks for Brandon Alberts and possibility of signing Eric Winston). I believe Miami wants to target Dee Milliner if they can trade up to Oakland's spot, and boy I would be excited if they did.
I would not. That is a high price to pay for a player the other team can avoid. CB's just are not worth the cost imo. Mid range vets and mid round picks. I would also be massively against trading up for a LT. Dion Jordan on the other hand ... The fact that we are waiting till the draft and not striking the deal now may indicate we are waiting to see what JVille does, and there is no chance they take a tackle. Frankly though, any trade up to three is just a waste for me. There are no players in this draft worth it. Maybe we are using this as leverage to try and bully the Browns into a reduced offer, but I feel there is no need to move up, no player worth it.
If true, expect to hair Mr Kiper say: "..they drafted Tannehill last yr, lost Jake Long, so blah blah no playmaking guy has to replace him..the Dolphins continue their great offseason..."
No chance you say? NFL Draft insider Tony Pauline reports the Jaguars are looking at "either" Oregon DE/LB Dion Jordan or the top offensive tackles at the No. 2 pick. There is growing buzz about Jacksonville selecting a tackle at No. 2, though we tend to believe it may be a smokescreen in an effort to trade down. Jordan would be a fantastic pick for the Jags, upgrading the NFL's most sluggish pass rush while providing great range as a zone-dropping end or linebacker. Per Pauline, BYU's Ziggy Ansah would be a fallback target if the Jags trade down. Source: TFY Draft Insider
That latest rumor contradicts an earlier rumor (which I think may have been sourced as a direct quote from the Jax people themselves) that they'd limited their choices to two players. If their choices are Dion Jordan or THE TOP TACKLE REMAINING then in actuality they're down to three players.
Dee Milliner. That would be so wrong, imo. Still don't like the trade up. I think the value is poor for what is given up. Trade down would bring far greater value, and fulfill more needs. Terrible move imo.
If they do trade it, then it will not be for Dee Milliner. There is a lot of buzz that is saying Milliner may fall out of the top 10. If they trade up, it will definitely be for one of the top tackles. If they move into the top 3, then they are looking to jump Philadelphia for Eric Fisher. If they move to 6, then they take Lane Johnson. Of course, you have to wonder if the talk that has been put out there that Miami isn't quite as high on Johnson as people make out is smoke or not. I keep reading that Cleveland definitely wants to move out of that 6th pick, and they may be targeting Geno Smith a little later. I wonder what would be said if Miami actually traded up for Star Lotulelei instead of one of the offensive tackles?
The latest out of KC is that they have narrowed their choices to 4 players and will be evaluating those 4 guys this week prior to the draft. Common sense tells you that they are likely trying to decide between Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher. Jacksonville seems to be looking at Dion Jordan and whichever tackle KC doesn't take. Likely pick is Jordan. Oakland, if they keep the pick, is looking at Shariff Floyd and Star Lotulelei. Philadelphia would love Dion Jordon or Eric Fisher to drop. Star Lotulelei is probably their 3rd choice. Detroit is hoping for Fisher, but will likely settle for Ansah, who they coached in the senior bowl. Cleveland wants to move out. I don't think they want to take Milliner here, and they are smitten with Geno Smith. Arizona is looking at OL, with Lane Johnson, Chance Warmack, and Jonathan Cooper the likely possibilities. Buffalo may also be looking at OL, with Warmack and Cooper leading the way. The Jets want to trade down. The name I keep reading about associated with them here is Barkevious Mingo, but a wild card is Tavon Austin. Oddly enough, I haven't heard anything about them being interested in Milliner. The Titans want OL and are apparently high on Warmack, Cooper, and Fluker. The Chargers also want an OL, but they may have to settle for a DL or a CB. Milliner is a possibility here, as is Lotulelei if he falls.
Wow I thought Cleveland was dead set on wanting Milliner. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...r-reportedly-is-top-draft-priority-for-browns I mean it was 5 days ago but I haven't read anything about them wanting Geno. I'm thinking the Chargers have to be the team that trades up for a OT.
Evidently Drew Rosenhaus just said that the Dolphins' pick at #12 is down to Chance Warmack and Tyler Eifert.
He also said in early April that it was between DJ Fluker and Lane Johnson. Who knows. I would be underwhelmed with a OG at 12. I don't need Tavon Austin, but let's be a little more adventurous than a guard. I was alright with the Pouncey pick two years ago, but two interior lineman in three years would be rough.
Dion Jordan is just an absolute freakazoid..knew he would eventually be top 5, separating himself from the pack that included Jones and Ansah, he just has incredible range and projects so well at outside linebacker he might just change the game...wouldn't be suprised to see my other elite blue chip defender Sheldon Richardson go top 8..
I've heard we are looking at Arthur Brown, which I'd like in rd #2, I'd love to have a Hugh Green Jr.
Would we be trading up for Jordan? Would be the only guy I'd want to trade up for. I'd rather keep our picks and trade a 3A for Albert and give him 7mil/yr the jackass.
Possibly, but that would be a huge shock, it would mean losing picks and replacing Misi and going with Martin at LT.
I have a feeling Martin is going to be our LT. Albert is going to bet on himself and not take less then the 9.8Mil he's going to get on the franchise tag and then he thinks he will get a big contract next year. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I feel like is going to happen. Would be a shock but really who else would be left. Jordan would only be left if the top2 took the best two tackles, trading up to three for Johnson I think might be dumb. Wish it was Thursday, can't wait.
Jags going for a tackle must mean DT ;p They got one of the best LT's in the game right now.....who'd get a lot more press if he wasn't in Jacksonville. The only real player they got on that OL.
I honestly don't think the money is holding up the Albert deal. I think we're waiting till KC takes a tackle at #1 and loses their leverage in negotiations and we get him at our top 3rd round pick (or a pick next year). He is a top 10 left tackle, just hitting his prime, he's worth the cash.
The problem I have with Jordan is that he has all these athletic skills, but he lacks production. In 49 career games, he has only 14.5 sacks. This is a guy who is supposedly the best pass rusher in the draft? As a coverage linebacker, he has exactly 1 pass defensed in his career and 0 interceptions. Now, I think things have to be balanced. You have to look at athletic upside from a subjective point of view, but at some point, that athleticism has to translate into production.
This, Monroe is a beast at LT. You don't take a RT at #2 overall. Dion makes way to much sense unless they last second fall in love with a QB. More likely they try someone like Barkley in round 2 though.
At this point I think it would be a mistake for the Dolphins to trade up at all. The top 3 tackles could be gone by 5, and I don't think it's worth it to give what it will take to get higher than that. Milliner is reportedly falling, and there may not be much of a dropoff is any with Hayden if Milliner is gone. I'm actually starting to come around to the idea of trading down a little bit. I would then try and pick up another 1st in a later trade too though.
I think we have enough draft picks this year. I would like some picks for next year if we trade down.
Yep, this. I would also include Trufant as a possibility at CB. Trading back, and then back into the top of the first honestly makes the mist sense.
I agree with having enough picks. Trading back gives you more ammo to move up later though. That would be the move I would make.
