Omar Kelly says Martin looks "bigger and stronger"

The only thing I'd say for fairly certain, is that Martin is stronger now than he was 1 year ago at this time. As for how many lbs of muscle he gained, like someone else said, it is all semantics. We could debate it till the cows come home.
The main thing is Martin is stronger now, and the off season and working out is not over with yet.

 

I'm good with that, I was just pointing out from an earlier statement that 15 lbs of muscle is extremely hard to achieve in 6 months in general.

 

DJ I have no idea what you are saying...I'm confused. Help me out here man.

2 LB a month is your estimate for what? What you can do during the season or offseason? Also six months at two pounds a month is 12 pounds. So you're saying 12 is possible but 15 is not?

 

2 lbs a month is pushing it IMO. Like I said if he did get it, he's a huge anomaly or he's juicing.

 

6months...you can. If he is eating right and lifting right, its possible.

Although 15 in muscle would show on him, big. Wonder if we can get some shots of Martin before draft last year and put it next to a pic from recent OTAs.

Would be worthwhile comparison


Edit: didn't see the NOT juice. Ehh,maybe

 

He is a huge anomaly.

 

IMO, the lbs of muscle he put on does not matter as much as how much stronger he got. Not all muscle tissue on all people is equally strong. Even elite among athletes.

 

We may not think it, man. But come on. You must know we want it.

 

not that huge.

 

This.

DJ is likely right. Putting on 15 lbs of lean muscle in 6 months is near impossible without an illegal substance.

But strength doesn't necessarily correlate with muscle gain. You can get 25% stronger gaining just a couple pounds of muscle. And that's all that matters

 

I think he will be fine but not a franchise lt

 

Does it matter he's a naturally big guy compared to the typical human? In line with this discussion, if the average body can gain roughly 2 pounds/month, then wouldn't Martin be able to gain a little more considering he has a lot more surface area to distribute muscle on? I mean, 15 pounds on a 180 pound guy is 8.3% of his weight, but on a 300 pounder it's only 5%. I would think the percentage of total body weight as well as taking into account the their body type would supersede a strict 2 pounds/month standard.

 

Because thats not what im talking about. Im talking about him dropping weight during training camp. Hes going to drop weight at training camp alone. So if hes 15 lbs heavier then last year, hes likely to lose those 15 lbs during training camp anyways. I dont know what type of weight it was. So I have no room to talk. I am just stating facts. People are caught up in the fact that hes a few more pounds right now, which mean nothing is all I am saying. Is he stronger and going to stay stronger is the question.

 

I don't think so. Muscle growth is genetic. A combination of testosterone, growth hormone, body type, type of muscle, etc.

 

Read my entire post...

 

His genetics matter, but not in the way you think.

If a genetically average, younger person (18-30) starts training and eats well they can expect to gain around 8 lbs of muscle per year. Since Martin is most likely above average his gains may be slightly higher. However, after one year of intense training, a person can expect around 50% of that number. So if Martin gained 10lbs of pure muscle his first year training he would gain about 5lbs the following. It's often said that after 3 years of (natural) progressive training a person should be at about 90% of their maximum gentic potential.

Now, there are two ways in which a person may be able to grow muscle mass faster. One is steroids. The other is due to muscle memory. If a guy is 6'2" 250lbs with 5% body fat he's huge. Now if he gets sick or injured and stops training for a period of time his muscle mass will deminish. If he loses, say, 50 lbs because of this injury/illness and starts training again when better he may gain at a faster than normal rate due to muscle memory.

 

... and some people naturally produce more testosterone & growth hormone than others. I'd think a 6'5 300 pound 23 year old might see a higher natural level of growth hormone & testosterone. Are we forgetting we're talking about professional athletes here? Something about them naturally has to be above ordinary or else they wouldn't be a professional athlete.

 

The question was originally posed in the context of can someone gain 15lbs of muscle during this offseason, fin-d made a good point about including the regular season time frame from last year into the equation, I retorted with its not likely Martin was doing the necessary training to build lean muscle mass during an NFL season, the principles used by trainers during the regular season are different than the ones used during the offseason, there are other variables in place as well during the regular season that could impede that process, small injuries, bruises, sprains, aches, pains, recovery time after games, and most likely not working out on Sundays and Mondays and travel days.

My point was if your doing all the right things, nutrition, proper strength straining exclusively catered to build lean muscle, you can build about two lbs of muscle a month, and with my calculations, he's only had about four months from the end of the season..could he get up to 3 to 4 lbs a month, it's possible but he would be a very rare specimen..

Remember we're not talking about weight that includes glycogen stores, fat and water weight, were talking lean muscle mass..a pure measurement.

 

thats not really the point. the point you put up is "if muscle growth rate is it related to height" the answer is : I haven't seen anything which suggests as much. Is it possible he can put on muscle that quickly, sure. Is it likely, no. If you look at the bell curve of muscle growth he would be a good amount outside the median in muscle growth getting that much muscle that quickly. Hence the "huge anomaly" as I stated. As for "something makes him a professional athlete", sure something does make him a professional athlete. What exactly that is? Who knows. He could produce more hormones, yes. He could also have the right muscle/body structure, yes. But, being a professional athlete doesn't really prove he hit the genetic lottery like you are saying.

 

Why are we assuming this is all muscle and not some fat?

It's neither here nor there, IMO. How many physical specimens have come out of the draft and haven't done anything? In this game, the field is the only thing that matters.

And BTW, technique will get the better of strength more often than not any day of the week and on every given Sunday.

 

there were only a couple, and they were action shots, so it was hard, but I did see improvement in the upper chest and anterior deltoid area..couldn't really see his legs or ***...unfortunately..