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Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland's Stock on the Rise

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  1. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/57454/dolphins-gm-jeff-irelands-stock-on-the-rise


    As the article goes on to state, this is certainly a make or break year for Ireland, but who would have thought the perception of him could improve after how things were going before the 2012 season. Not saying change in perception is warranted, but it's interesting to me nonetheless.
     
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  2. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    After years of demonizing him inappropriately many Dolphins fans have softened their stance on him for the wrong reasons. Seems about right.
     
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  3. padre31

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    Without Wins, this is noise.
     
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  4. jdang307

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    Always scares me. Winners in March are usually losers in December.

    Who wrote this, Fin D?

    :D
     
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  5. ckparrothead

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    Not sure how he comes to the conclusion that Jeff Ireland "nailed" the 2012 Draft when it's pretty clear that remains to be seen.
     
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  6. Larry Little

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    I'm not a huge fan of Ireland, and my opinion of him really hasn't changed from last year to this year. I still question his ability to draft. I have questions about his moves during this free-agency period, which many people seem to view as some major victory for Ireland. I don't see it that way.

    Without getting into details, I don't think Ireland has been any better than an average GM.
     
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  7. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    Nailed the draft? If I was suddenly the starting strong safety, would that be a good thing?

    Jeff was allowed to miss on one QB. He won't be allowed to miss on a second. That's what it boils down to.
     
  8. Stringer Bell

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    This x 100
     
  9. padre31

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    I like Ireland, imo no one bargain shops better than he, however when you are in say Nordstrom's you are not there to bargain shop, you want premium stuff.

    IMO, this is what he does not grasp, to much old school sometimes
     
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  10. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    Honestly, I thought Jeff botched the Brandon Marshall trade. Badly.

    He left us with a really sub-par 2012 receiving group, and that contributed noticeably to yet another losing season.

    Then, in classic knee jerk fashion, he went out and got an even more expensive receiver and two moderately overpriced ones.

    Now he made another hole, this time at CB.

    Schizophrenic GM. Not buying any of it until we are better than .500.

    As a side note, I like the youth we have.
     
  11. CrunchTime

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    I had several polls last year at different stages of the season and there was a bump in Irelands popularity around draft time.
    Gradually as the losses piled up his popularity dived to 8 pct favorable 53pct unfavorable ,the balance being neutral.How quickly people forget.
    http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?73923-What-is-your-impression-of-Jeff-Ireland-as-a-GM

    I believe we are in the draft time euphoric stage right now.:yes:
    Optimism reigns supreme.

    Lets see how the season plays out and after we have had time to analyze his decisions before we go overboard praising him.
     
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  12. P h i N s A N i T y

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    Botching the Marshall trade ? The trade was simple, I think what your trying to say is he botched your idea that Marshall had to be replaced with another elite WR, day one of the *?rebuilding?* process. Marshall was someone Philbin obviously didn't want around..... Ireland had to act. Same for Vontae. An outsider sees the GM creating another hole for no apparent reason. Yet, it doesnt take much to realize Vontae was another personality that did not fit. The Gm got what he could for him, ammuntion to help rebuild the roster further, all while ridding themselves of an ego.

    Schizophrenic ? If anyone is, it's Philbin, who's the primary reason we no longer have the patience for those guys and dropped them. Get over Marshall and Davis already, we want winners. Also, It's not a knee jerk reaction to replenish with higher character guys. That was the idea from the start.

    Waiting for our final record to judge the GMs work doesnt make sense to me either.... not when his work is primarily done before the season starts. It's the job of the coaches and players to win the games. Will we be in a position to win them ? That's what hinges on the Gm's work, as well as the weekly preparations of course.

    I maintain lukewarm and on-board with the GM thus far. He's done a lot of things i really like, and I think the biggest strikes against him are mis-directed. When he first came to town we were told things like " one of the bright young minds in the game today " ........
    That remains to be seen, but i think he's doing a better job than most. I'm leaning towards extending him, the Firelanders would most likely just turn on the next guy anyway.
     
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  13. dolfan22

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    Nordstrom Rack ;)
     
  14. jw3102

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    It was pointed out in the Miami Herald this morning that during the five years Ireland has been involved in the NFL draft with the Dolphins, he has selected only ONE player who has been named first team All-pro. That was Jake Long. Otherwise Ireland has been responsible for drafting a few good players and a lot of mediocre to bad NFL players. He actually has had a lot more success in free agency and in trades than he has in selecting quality NFL players in the draft.

    I am happy to see that he has finally upgraded the WR position. Especially since he did absolutely nothing to help his rookie QB at the WR position in free agency or in the draft in 2012. I am willing to wait and see how the 2013 season turns out before before I am willing to change my view that Ireland is not a very good NFL GM. I really can't say right now that the linebackers he added in free agency will be better than the linebackers he recently cut.

    We don't know if Keller will be an upgrade at the TE position, or even if he will be healthy during the 2013 season.

    Right now it appears the Dolphins should be better in 2013 than they were in 2012, but only time will tell. I have said all along that for Ireland to keep his job, the Dolphins need to make the playoffs in 2013. Anything less that a playoff team should have Ross reviewing the names of possible replacements for Ireland.

    If Ireland had a solid draft and his free agents prove to be upgrades over the previous players, and the Dolphins make the playoffs, I would have no problem with Ireland remaining the teams GM beyond 2013. Right now though, we are all only speculating about how improved this team might be in 2013. I'll wait until I see how they play once the regular season begins.
     
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  15. jdang307

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    In regards to the bold part, Ireland tried to replace Brandon, but misjudged the market and was left with nothing. We didn't need to replace elite with elite, but something needed to be added and he didn't. He has said this himself. Nobody is putting words in his mouth.
     
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  16. pocoloco

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    Two thirds for a top 5 receiver? That's a Madden trade.

    Right now we have Egnew to show for it. So it's more like one third.

    I've been clear from the beginning that it would be very difficult to find a better GM to come to Miami. So we're on the Ireland ship whether it's sinking or not.
     
  17. slickj101

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    Well, saying Marshall is a top 5 receiver is a Fantasy Football ranking so that's about right.
     
  18. jdang307

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    He also singlehandedly replaced two receivers in their offense.
     
  19. Disgustipate

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    Yes, and not at all in the sense you mean.

    Getting back most of what you paid in a soured blockbuster trade is pretty good. Ireland would have been better off from a PR perspective just giving it another year and having Marshall demand trades an act like he acts until he got released it seems.
     
  20. slickj101

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    By default.
     
  21. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    He certainly wasn't a top 5 WR here. He was a sour child who got diagnosed with BPD while he was here and a hip that wasn't ever not problematic. He also didn't fit what a new coaching staff wanted. 1 clean season somewhere else doesn't erase that any given moment he could become a huge problem and is 1 strike from a year's vacation Roger style.

    Folks are plain short sighted on this forum all the time. Folks also really are blind to the change Ireland has been instituting since the moment Bill Parcells walked out this door. It's taken steps...but were on a clearer path. Just needed Parcells moved and then Sparano moved.

    By the way...for all the wonder that is Brandon Marshall. Bears passing offense in 2012. 29th.
     
  22. LBsFinest

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    I'm already resigned to the fact that Ireland will never have a great draft, he'll never knock it out the park, its just not in his makeup, he's a below average talent evaluator. Fortunately we have 10 picks in this draft so this should increase his chances of finding some stars.
     
  23. VanDolPhan

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    And I'm resigned to the fact that you'll always be a pessimistic poster regardless of what Jeff Ireland does. You'd still be here whining after a super bowl win.
     
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  24. LBsFinest

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    His "stock" is irrelevant, the fact is he's been a loser here in Miami, he should feel blessed to even still have this job, any other owner probably would've fired him already. His contract is up, it's either win and get an extension or lose and he never runs a team again.
     
  25. MonstBlitz

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    He nailed the 2012 draft if Tannehill pans out. Ireland's success rides on Tannehill's arm. He could have the best damn draft in the NFL this year, but if Tannehill sucks wind the results will be hard to see on the field. I've been a harsh critic of the man, but I think Ireland has put together a roster that can be successful with a quality top 15 QB. Here's hoping Tannehill can be that guy.
     
  26. Lee2000

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    Beyond the debate on Ireland's decisions is the win loss record. That stands out without question. It is what it is. And after reading many of the posts on this site, I see no strong indication that folks trust Ireland. If anything, I see strong indication they are waiting on him to really screw-up this draft. Even those of us who are optimists likely are waiting on the ax of criticism and doubt to fall on draft day. Anticipation of Ck's scathing reviews of a guy just picked, or those defending posts, attempting to convince us we missed something good about a guy. I think it is going to take more than one off season like this to regain confidence in this front office. And at least a couple of consecutive winning seasons. As Meryl Streep said in Doubt, "I have doubts". That is my confession as a Dolphin fan.
     
  27. pocoloco

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    Third in the NFL in total receiving yardage, tied for 4th among receivers in TDs. Nothing about top 5 is terribly controversial.

    If you spend time watching the Bears, as I have to, this is because Cutler spends an inordinate amount of time on his rear end and because there is very little else to throw to besides Forte.


    After trading Marshall, regardless of the price, Ireland did little to field a passable receiving corp and it showed on Sundays.

    Now we've signed an even MORE expensive receiver. And this one is not top 5 at his position, maybe not even top 10, but paid like top 2. 100 million later and we're debating adding yet another receiver in Tavon Austin for millions more.

    Only in Dolphin land do first rounders get traded for seconds, second rounders turn into thirds, etc. and we're THRILLED.

    Yet the backslapping over Jeff NALING it has begun.

    He lives and dies with Tannehill. Ryan just had the statistic equivalent of Henne's first year. If he reproduces Henne's second, Jeff goes out the door headfirst.
     
  28. slickj101

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    Where was that in Miami?
     
  29. jdang307

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    Roy Williams who was a scrub but still a #2 left, Johnny Knox they lose him probably forever, and their replacement Alshon Jeffrey misses a bunch of games. Without Brandon Marshall they probably throw for 1,500 yards the whole season.
     
  30. RevRick

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    When he gets on the sideline and starts coaching, you might be right. Lousy cooks can ruin the finest ingredients. Good cooks can make a tasty meal out of leftovers anytime. We finally have what appears to be a competent cook, and the last master chef has retired to what he should be - McCommentator.
     
  31. Ozzy

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    Sure his stock is on the rise. It was pretty darn low last season and after bringing in some quality players during the start of free agency, it would have to rise. I would say that this is a make or break year for him but so far it's been good.
     
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  32. slickj101

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    Like I said, by default. Volume doesn't make you more talented.
     
  33. VanDolPhan

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    All I am saying is 2 3rd's isn't bad for Marshall rep. I'm sorry folks around here can't see past the field/stats but lets face it. He's on his 3rd team. 2 teams traded him away and I won't be surprised when Chicago does the same. His on field play wasn't ever in question when it came to the trade. It was all the off field BS and folks around here can't admit to it.

    I totally agree he didn't do enough at WR. He tried to make a couple draft moves...failed. Went the cheap vet market (Chad) and it blew up in his face. He wouldn't pour major resources into it at the time because of his plan to keep as much resources free as possible for this year. There isn't a GM in this league that doesn't make that mistake though. As pointed out by yourself. Chicago had OL issues that make our issues last season at WR pale in comparison.

    And the trades you would think people would realize by now that were cleaning house. That happens anytime you bring in a new coaching staff. They want their own players. By the time the draft is done this team is going to be far and clear from the mess that was Sparano's teams. People aren't 'thrilled'...90% of this board is nothing but Ireland pissing and moaning most of the time.

    And of course he lives and dies by Tannehill. Every GM does. Parcells/Sparano paid the price for Henne. Ireland got a reprieve to do things his way with total control once Parcells left. It was awkward with the Sparano decision which slowed down the transformation process of the team. Now though we are at year 3 and he's implementing his big plan. It fails he's out (Last year of his contract) and I will be glad cause this team SHOULD be playoff bound.

    Bleh rambling at this point. But the big key here is...hey he's had an excellent offseason so far. So let him have his tiny slice of credit.
     
  34. P h i N s A N i T y

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    first i thought you were against the reasoning behind the Marshall trade, now its the value received as well. Same deal. How ridiculous and video gamish is it to get two 3rds, when you gave two 2nds to get him years prior ? Obviously the people in the know dont think as highly of Brandon as you do. Speaking of madden, these guys aren't interchangable bots of varying abilities. You pay for the person.
    Honestly i dont listen to anything GMs or coaches say. Actions speak louder than words.
    Of course he tried to upgrade. Did he actually say he misjudged the market, or is that an assumption ?
    My standpoint here is that I highly doubt trading Marshall/Davis was part of Ireland's grand scheme of things. It was was forced on him by the players themselves, and Philbin's tolerance for them. Money was tight last offseason, and the bigger picture was in mind. Breaking the bank and/or spending assets to get another WR/CB wasn't going to make us super-bowl contenders. We didnt think we were rebuilding then, but it's got to be obvious now.

    I didn't even really see a drop off from Marshall 11' to Hartline 12' anyway. :pointlol:

    I hold Mike Sherman primarily accountable for Ryan Tannehill. He surely vouched for, and signed up for him.
     
  35. Fin D

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    He did admit he misjudged the market. he and most every other GM were blown away by VJ's deal.
     
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  36. P h i N s A N i T y

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    Perhaps if we had manning or brady we could have done something with Sparano and Henning at the helm. I think his body of work says anything but loser. If he's let go, never say never. Even Spielman got another GM job

    . I'm thinking getting a steal at 12, trading back up for Patterson and winning a playoff game should win you over. That's what I'm hoping for.
     
  37. Disgustipate

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    That's another one of the ridiculous things in the same vein. Dolphins trade a guy who didnt live up to his draft status for a second and thats somehow worse than him walking a year later. No consideration that very few draft picks sign a second contract with their original team or end up traded for most of the original value. Instead we've got the "common sense" angle.
     
  38. CaribPhin

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    To be fair, if Brent Grimes is healthy and still a top performer, we've clearly upgraded the CB position.

    The hole as well as the upgrade are all theoretical depending on what side of the pessimism/optimism coin you're on.
     
  39. pocoloco

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    God bless you guys, someone's gotta uncritically dish out money for tickets and jerseys for a perennial 7-9 team.
     
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  40. VanDolPhan

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    Better then being bitter all the time to the point you can't see obvious positive change happening.

    Luckily we only got one more year of the Jeff Ireland threads...cause either the team will be in the playoffs or he'll be gone.

    But then I'm sure those same folks will latch on to some other person to direct their hate at for most of their posts.
     
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