I want. I really want. I am having a VERY hard time figuring why this guy isn't a 2nd or at the very worst a 3rd round prospect. Combine Results Height: 6027 Weight: 231 lbs. 40 Yard: 4.37 unofficial (Note: I always trust UNOFFICIAL more than official. It's the only number that is apples-to-apples with NFL Draft Scout's database) 10 Yard: 1.59 unofficial 20 Yard: 2.58 unofficial Bench: 17 reps Vertical: 38.5 inches Broad: 10'09" Shuttle: 4.33 Cone: 6.99 The Combine results have been known and talked about. They're incredible for that size. Incredible. One of the best I've ever seen. Turning in a 4.37 at 6'3" and 231 lbs with a 38.5 inch vertical is ridiculous. He's got an injury, a broken foot. Doesn't really bother me to be honest. Broken bones heal. He has hand issues. Drops balls. That bothers me a little, but only just. You know who drops balls? James Jones. You know what he did this year? Caught a billion touchdowns. Brandon Marshall drops football. Hell, Davone Bess and Brian Hartline drop footballs. Mike Wallace drops footballs. As long as the guy doesn't look like he's trying to catch the ball with two tennis rackets for hands, I think it's an overrated weakness. The big thing with him is just the attitude. He BROKE OUT in 2010 with 829 yards and 9 TDs, totally outshining Mohamed Sanu. In 2009, Sanu had caught 51 balls for 639 yards and 3 TDs. In 2010, that production was down to 44 balls for 418 yards and 1 TD. Why? Because Mark Harrison was such a breakout star, 44 catches for 829 yards and 9 TDs. But then in 2011, Mohamed Sanu stepped back up and caught 115 balls for 1206 yards and 7 TDs while Mark Harrison fell to merely 14 catches for 274 yards and 2 TDs. He struggled with drops, struggled with the expectations of stardom: That quote came BEFORE Harrison even had his disappointing 2011 season. So you know even in 2010 when he was breaking out and relegating Sanu to obscurity, there were signs that he wasn't focused right. After the disappointing season, Harrison described it thus: Has been working with Brandon Marshall, which is a great model for him because that's who he reminds Sigmund Bloom and several others of. At first I saw more Justin Blackmon, but the Marshall comparison fits the more I watch: Before we go on about disappointments, etc...let's keep something in mind. He had pretty good years in two of the three years after his freshman year which is a throwaway for most players. He had the 829 yards and 9 TDs in 2010 as he broke out in the spread offense with Tom Savage throwing the ball. He had the disappointing follow up year as they moved to a pro style system and Mohamed Sanu just hogged all receiver production from everyone. Then he did well again with 44 catches for 583 yards and 6 touchdowns where once again he had to deal with another standout wide receiver Brandon Coleman getting more action than him, in a ground-oriented pro style offense, with a ****ty quarterback like Gay Nova throwing the ball. Coleman by the way runs about 6'6" and 220 lbs, and runs in the 4.5's, and is NFL Draft Scout's #3 ranked sophomore WR in the country behind only Marquise Lee and Sammy Watkins. Mark Harrison is 2nd all time on Rutgers with 18 TDs. Not like the guy never produced a drop. Not everyone "gets it" right away. It's been known to happen. When Derek Wake came out of Penn State his coaches had similar complaints about him all over the damn place. He produced at Penn State even worse than Harrison, and went undrafted because of the concerns. He was cut by the Giants before he ever even donned pads. Now you look at him he's probably the hardest working, most focused football player I can even think of in the NFL now that Ray Lewis is retired. Obviously the more gifted players are the more time you're going to give them to "get it". His personality does not seem like one of a "me" player, or a loudmouth, or an anger issue guy. He's mostly been described as having been in the past a little too laid back. Not proactive enough. That may be changing. It sure does help when you watch the players on the field and what you see impresses you in LITTLE ways, not just the big ways. Watch him get off the line against Kyle Fuller, an All American. Fuller looks helpless here. Gary Nova just SUCKS ***, one of my least favorite QBs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=1083s Same play, close up replay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=1102s Don't pay attention to Matt Millen's commentary. Matt Millen is a ****tard. I'm not trying to show you highlights. There are those below if you want them, and trust me they look remarkable. I'm just saying, he does some little stuff too. Top of the screen, using his hands to create separation almost like a tight end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=2058s Fade-stop near side, ball deflected at line: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=2471s Near side, quick out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=4782s Terrible decision and throw by Gary Nova under pressure, forces Harrison to act as a DB, which he does nicely reaching in and breaking up would-be INT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=4896s Replay where you can see more closely Harrison breaking up the would-be INT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=4922s Top of the screen. Recognizes CB blitz, tries to communicate. Runs a cross, good off the line, open all the way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=5213s Bottom of the screen, on the line. Runs to the corner soft spot between zones, looks sort of like a smash concept. Great high point catch, again on Kyle Fuller the All American. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=5334s Top of the screen, catches a short pass, makes All American Kyle Fuller miss, and turns a 2nd & 12 into a makeable 3rd & 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=5830s Top of screen, underthrown deep ball by Nova, wrestling match between Harrison and All American Kyle Fuller, Fuller comes up with the pick but he clearly pass interfered and was called for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=6009s Here's a replay. Watch the MOVE Harrison makes before turning on the jets and creating vertical separation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=6046s Some time after this, he started to complain about stomach pain and pain in his ribs. They took his blood pressure and decided to take him to the hospital in an ambulance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3UmOFmZCWbM#t=7909s I don't know the story on what was wrong with him. He looked like he was an in awful amount of pain. Some other stuff: From 2010 his breakout year, top of the screen vs. Connecticut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4JSImqTOYbU#t=181s Same game, biggest play in the biggest moment, top of the screen, beating Blidi Wreh-Wilson (#5) for the deep touchdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4JSImqTOYbU#t=457s Oh but that wouldn't be the only time he'd make a big play in the biggest moment to help them win the game, check this versus Arkansas in 2012: [video=youtube;OqtR4jgHHj0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqtR4jgHHj0[/video] Here he is versus my South Florida Bulls in 2010: [video=youtube;NywkiSC4xPU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NywkiSC4xPU[/video] Here's a three-game compilation from Louisville, Cincinnati and Arkansas in 2012: [video=youtube;YOiwIK_2FiE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOiwIK_2FiE[/video] And finally a video titled "The Ultimate Mark Harrison Highlights": [video=youtube;P4686tLeqw0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4686tLeqw0[/video] He is a scary talent that I want on MY football team.
I am interested for sure, and was also surprised to see him rated so lowly given his production (in relation to the team) and all his measurements. I'm very curious where he actually ends up going.
I hadn't seen that. It's probably lost in a heap underneath a bunch of speculation about whether Brittney Griner is a man or not.
In all seriousness I feel our current wide receivers unit lacks two important drivers of offensive performance. I think any productive passing offense should aim to have these things. 1. An exciting short-area, run after catch player 2. A physical strength guy that can make contested catches and break tackles Mike Wallace can get yards after the catch because he's very fast but he's not really an exciting short-area run after catch guy. He's not a slot type. Nor is he a guy with great physical strength that can act like a bully on the field physically. Davone Bess is our current guy with those kinds of short-area run after catch skills but really his physical limitations make him mediocre in that respect. We can do better than mediocre. We should strive for better than mediocre. He's the Channing Crowder of the offense. Brian Hartline really doesn't have either. He presents a different type of player, one you also need. He's the route runner that knows how to get open on intermediate routes and is reliable at catching the football. He satisfies a need, but not multiple needs. And Brandon Gibson is essentially a watered down version of him. I feel like the receivers in this Draft that qualify as physically strong bullies on the field are Da'Rick Rogers, Chris Harper and Mark Harrison. Notice there really aren't very many of this type of player in the Draft at wide receiver. Once you get into the tight ends unit, you start to see more of this quality. Tyler Eifert has it and he even qualifies as a wide receiver with this type of core competency, because he lines up wide like a wide receiver and can get open and catch footballs against pretty good corners that way. See his championship game against Dee Milliner. So really you've got four options to add this kind of player in a true receiver. After that you're adding it in a tight end, and it might not be the same thing. It might not function the same way. The guys who qualify as faster, short-area players that can do interesting things after the catch are more varied. They usually are. College is usually filled with this kind of player and so is the NFL, and so you have to be careful who you really consider to have standout skills in this regard...because they have to be REALLY good in order to be uncommonly good compared to everyone else. Tavon Austin probably leads the pack here but Cordarrelle Patterson is right there with him. I would put Quinton Patton in this category because he's a real natural RAC player. Watch him play and that's the best part of his game. He's quick and he's got great instincts in run after catch. Stedman Bailey is a guy that I think is right there with him in that regard. Both of these guys kind of straddle the line of what's truly uncommon and what you actually find plenty of in the NFL. We've talked a lot about all of those guys though, so I don't know that they require deep exploration. One guy who also has uncommonly good short-area burst and RAC skills at the next level is Marquise Goodwin. By no means is his speed just long-only. He's not a long strider or anything like that. He's got quickness and his speed is so ridiculous you will HAVE to respect him in the short areas more than most players. In fact at the next level the primary area where he's going to be a threat in my opinion will be on shorter throws, until his instincts as a real receiver really start to sharpen. He is the cliche guy who is a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the football. Here's what I'm talking about, in that regard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4nq9emo0hWs#t=177s That's just a pretty routine short catch on 3rd & 2. Should have been maybe a 4 yard gain. The tackle-break probably should've extended the play to about a 10 yard gain, but instead it's a 27 yard chunk play just because of the guy's short-area speed and quickness. Look at the play below as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z5HXbFuAi3g#t=11s It wasn't JUST long speed that turned that play into a long touchdown, there was a lot of short area quickness, cutting ability and natural running with the football skills that went into that. I've heard that the Texas coaches really regret not focusing on getting him the football in more ways. That's not just lip service. What they're saying is that they feel like they as a coaching staff could have manufactured more ways to get the football in his hands, and then he could've repaid them by doing fantastic things after the catch. Instead you see him running a lot of go-routes and the like and while he will stretch the hell out of a defense on those, he doesn't always find the football in the air well or finish the catch, and defenses can defend that go route because it's kind of predictable. I mean check out this play...yeah it's a deep touchdown catch but not a pure one. Look what he does after the catch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z5HXbFuAi3g#t=155s He got 40 yards there because he's a really fast human and the defensive back had trouble keeping up and still being able to look back for and adjust to the football. But he got the remaining 15 yards and most importantly the TOUCHDOWN because of his short-area running ability. Marquise Goodwin is just BEGGING in my opinion to be used in the slot and on underneath routes, and that's why at the Senior Bowl it was no coincidence that he found himself being thrown to over and over again on short breaking routes. This is the kind of stuff he worked on more at the Senior Bowl and this I believe is his NFL future. He shows the quickness to get open and then REALLY hurt you after the catch. One of these, I'm sure Jamar Taylor thought he was being quite safe in how he played Marquise Goodwin's speed...but it turned out to be the worst thing he could do. On the third, Blidi Wreh-Wilson better consider himself lucky that his half-assed attempt to bring Goodwin under his thumb after the catch is good enough in practice but in a game the separation was such I wouldn't be surprised if Goodwin broke that tackle attempt and ran for the score. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TSY1bHhuViY#t=83s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiZM3sjK0ys&feature=player_detailpage#t=1148s https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TSY1bHhuViY#t=1106s If he cleans up his catching on stuff like this, he could do more after the catch than he does here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TSY1bHhuViY#t=930s Not that he's not still a threat on the deeper stuff! Holy cow did he smoke Blidi Wreh-Wilson like roadside mullet on this route. Poorly thrown football. Then he beats Duke Williams (4.40 speed) the same way. Bobbled, but still a touchdown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TSY1bHhuViY#t=194s https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TSY1bHhuViY#t=769s
Have watched many Rutgers games over the last few seasons. Rutgers QB play has been largely inadequate in recent years, which has contributed to Harrison's somewhat deflated numbers. Chas Dodd and Gary Nova are terribly inconsistent. Nova and Dodd were terrible in 2010 and 2011 (though Nova improved this year) making it diffcult for Harrison to showcase his skills on a regular basis. Even when Mohammed Sanu caught 100+ balls, it was more because they forced him the ball - the ball rarely travelled more 5-7 yards in the air. Point being that Rutgers left a lot of yards on the table due to an inconsistent (yet occasionally explosive) passing game. In the right offense, Harrison could be a tremendous weapon. BTW Rutgers has another big receiver who may be nearly as talented - Brandon Colemen. He will be a high draft pick in 2014.
Marquise Goodwin during the Senior Bowl game itself... https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=74MLs9rVDVc#t=696s https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=74MLs9rVDVc#t=727s https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=74MLs9rVDVc#t=757s https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=74MLs9rVDVc#t=1416s https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=74MLs9rVDVc#t=4050s https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=74MLs9rVDVc#t=4725s https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=74MLs9rVDVc#t=5924s https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=74MLs9rVDVc#t=6677s Really drives the point I was talking about home how this guy had a LOT of potential to be used underneath as a short-area run after catch guy at Texas but the staff just didn't use him. They left a lot of yards on the field that way.
Ck, do you see any chance of a position switch?.he's such a big kid, I know he's fast, but some of his movement skills look like he could be a Dustin Keller type, I mean he's a shredded 230 235 lbs on a grown man body , he's gonna get bigger as he gets some age on him naturally, he could add 20 lbs and still run damn fast, and he won't gain weight disproportionately if he has to gain some weight.
Being an RU fan -well after Pernetti was made scapegoat I'm rethinking this - I can attest this kids body was built for the NFL, but I didn't realize how fast he truly was, never though the RU coaching staff took full advantage of Harrison's raw talents.
I don't see why you would even think about a position switch to be honest. You'd only think about a position switch if you see limitations that can be hidden by his being a tight end instead of a wide receiver. There are no such limitations. What even makes you ask?
It was hard for them to do so with poor quarterback play. Forced them to continue to be a run-based offense. And you could make a case that Brandon Coleman legitimately supplanted him as the top wide receiver on the offense. The guy's freshman production was incredible, like 550 yards and 6 touchdowns on only 17 catches? You kidding me? That's 32+ yards per catch! No wonder they made a concerted effort in 2012 to really feature him as if he's the next A.J. Green. I don't know if he is, there were some growing pains putting that much responsibility on him in 2012, but again it's tough to say because of the bad QB play.
I was going to add that but I wanted to stay focused on Harrison but yeah Nova was absolutely terrible this past year. And Coleman is another beast of a player, reminds me of Plaxico Burress. Rutgers always produces terrific big men receivers, Sanu is another one who starting to come into his own in Cincy. Rutgers had a promising QB in Tom Savage but Schiano destroyed the kids confidence in his Sophomore year, as good as Rutgers is at developing terrific receivers they are just as terribly at developing effective QB's, in fact I don't think they have a clue in how to go about it and its a shame with all the great talent to catch the ball.
Ehhh I think he could go either way personally. He may not be Brandon Marshall but he certainly isn't Marvin Harisson either.
Marquise Goodwin and Mark Harrison would together embody the characteristics I would want to add to a wide receivers unit that includes Brian Hartline and Mike Wallace. You really have everything with that unit. Mike Wallace can burn you deep AND catch the football which is maybe where Marquise Goodwin is lacking a little bit for the moment (tracking the ball in the air, attacking it). But Marquise Goodwin has more short-area burst and quickness and I think could easily be more of a slot guy and run after catch guy. Brian Hartline runs intermediate routes and gets open. Mark Harrison can be a physical mismatch. The point of collecting guys with varied skill sets like this is the ability to head into every game with a game plan that hits opponents at their weakest points. Sometimes Marquise Goodwin's skill set would be something that a defense might have a hard time defending. Sometimes it might be Harrison's. Sometimes it'll be pure route runners like Hartline that could give the Patrick Peterson's of the world some trouble. And always there's Mike Wallace's ability to blow the top off a defense lurking around the corner if the defense ever becomes too worried about the other threats.
he looks to be around 232 lbs and looks every bit of it, weighed in at the combine at 231 and usually players are dropping their few lbs to gain an advantage for their forty, he's going to gain some weight, some more muscle, he's already at a lean body fat percentage, I'm just a little afraid that in three years were gonna have a player that is 240 - 245.. And I'm not sure he'll have the lateral quickness..
I see no reason to assume he'll ever be 240-245 lbs unless he makes a concerted effort to get that big a la David Boston who fancied himself a body builder.
Don't mind me. Tyler Eifert versus Miami, 2012. [video=youtube_share;jKS8tDDH_Cg]http://youtu.be/jKS8tDDH_Cg[/video]
Weirdest thing, every link you have posted in the last month or so comes up in my iPad as an error occurred, I've tested it on other members when they post links and it's not the case..weird. I've seen enough reps of that guy where it makes me sick..as in sick to my stomach if he's not gonna play for us..I've run out of superlatives, and quite honestly, don't need to watch anymore, I would though if your links worked for me, are you trying to show something specific?
I blacklisted you. I'm actually also writing super informative detailed breakdowns of players that you're not able to see. But you don't even know you're missing them...
I'm patiently waiting on a detailed thread on Travis Kelce since I know you are high on him aswell.....hint.hint.
This was precisely my thinking while watching the vids you put up of Harrison. I agree with all that you wrote here.
lol, when I said specific I meant a point about Eifert in all those links? Which you probably knew as well, lol, forget it I'm ******ed.
Pretty funny when I keep seeing folks think this kid is a late first round pick, or even a 2nd, or even when some say they don't see it, or that there isn't much difference between he and Ertz, or that they just don't get just how good a player were dealing with here.. There reports or rumors that Gronk might have to get another surgery, if indeed that is the case, Eifert and graham will battle in the near future for best at the position.
Can't fault the logic here. The one thing I wish Eifert would add to his game though is run after catch ability. He's just not where you want him to be in that regard. That to me is the ultimate reason he's not going to be my pick at #12 overall.
I think I already mentioned this but to me there are four wide receivers that notch the physicality trait that I would want to add. They are Mark Harrison, Da'Rick Rogers, Chris Harper and Tyler Eifert. Eifert has the added bonus that he's actually a tight end, which makes him considerably more valuable than the other three. I wouldn't be upset if he's the pick at 12. It just wouldn't be my highest priority. It's a lot like Mike Pouncey. We're going to get a good player at his position. I just don't know how much we're going to win versus other teams because we have him.
How sure are you about that? Because I believe Mark Harrison roomed with Ryan Spadola at the Combine. The report specifically said that one of the two players was supposed to be a 1st round pick.
My first instinct is to say, what a couple of idiots, if true. Then my second instinct is to say, wait a minute...what constitutes "trashing a hotel room"? Because I've definitely left a few hotel rooms in some disorder in my time, not because of any malicious intent but rather because it's someone else's job to clean up the mess. You know, if I'm in town for a wedding and I had to buy some stuff at the store, there may be trash around the room. If I accidentally knocked over a lamp and broke a bulb, oops? I mean, what exactly are we talking about here?
According to ESPN, it was a room shared by DeAndre Hopkins and Mark Harrison that was "trashed". Pretty dumb move by them both going by what's reported here. http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9187853&src=desktop
