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Miami Dolphins targeting 'core positions' in NFL draft

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Mar 28, 2013.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I draft for both the present and the future. Swope would be more of a draft pick for 2014 or 2015, as he would need a few years to learn the offense. Gibson is on a one year contract, Hartline is on a three year contract.

    I am perfectly fine with cutting Bess or trading Bess.

    You don't understand what "wasting a 2nd round pick" means. Mostly because I don't have Swope as a slot receiver.

    My mock is obviously a joke.

    Also there is tons of more offseason. Stop acting like it is over. Oh yea, BRILLIANT. If you are going to argue with me, at least try to make sense.
     
  2. Finrunner

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    I definitely wouldn't have a problem with drafting Swope, but since he played at Texas A&M with Sherman and Tannehill, and the offense is much the same, why would he need a couple of years to learn the offense? Like Tannehill, I think he'd fit in pretty immediately.
     
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  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    He might be able to adjust to NFL speed in his first year. However I don't like counting on it.
     
  4. FanMarino

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    Swope would be drafted where? What's he projected to fall around?
     
  5. Finrunner

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    Gotcha. I think he'd know the offense, though, and I also think re-establishing a trust with Tannehill (and Sherman for that matter) would probably come pretty quickly, more than for most rookies. Because, once again, like Tannehill, he's going to know the offense. To me, that's one of the big pluses for the Dolphins drafting Swope as opposed to any other team. The time curve of re-learning an unknown pro offense won't be there, and his head won't be swimming as much as most rookies. Ergo, he'll be able to just instinctively react rather than having to be thinking... and... then... react... --- the process a lot of rookie WRs have to go through. Yeah, there'll be a difference in NFL speed and probably some route anticipations as he learns NFL defenses, but if he's a reasonably intelligent player, he'll figure that out over the first year.
     
  6. Finrunner

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    We could likely get him with our first third round pick. There are a lot of second/third round-type WRs out there (Justin Hunter, Terrence Williams, Quinton Patton, Stedmon Bailey, etc.).
     
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  7. CANDolphan

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    It's really difficult to say where he'd go. Ive read as high as top of 2nd, seen as low as bottom 3rd.

    I think Swope in the top of the 3rd is a great pick. I really, really like the kid. I think Stedman Bailey is the better WR to be honest, and hopefully people all in love with Swope's size and speed.
     
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  8. rafael

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    In a recent interview Ireland said, "I like the receiver position as it is building up right now, and we still have the draft to go," IMO that's a pretty clear indication that he doesn't see the WR position as done and that he will add to it using the draft. Now obviously that doesn't guarantee it's Austin or even at #12, but if you factor in that Ireland has personally watched him play on three separate occassions, you'd have to think he's a strong possibility. I think the people who keep insisting that we're not going WR b/c of what we have there now better brace themselves b/c I see Austin as our most likely selection.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...t-expensive-positions-20130327,0,262439.story
     
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  9. pocoloco

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    I don't understand how that makes him more dangerous, particularly special unique talent dangerous. If it was such a huge deal, we could have just used Reggie Bush in that capacity and saved the 12th overall for something else.
     
  10. pocoloco

    pocoloco I'm your huckleberry Club Member

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    From what I understand, we've been all over defensive backs as well. And for some strange reason, quarterbacks.
     
  11. Finrunner

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    The interesting thing will be, because something almost always happens unexpected by one team or another early in the draft, if these guys are there at # 12:

    Lane Johnson, Xavier Rhodes, Bjorn Werner, Tank Carradine, Tavon Austin, Star Lothuleilei, Cordarelle Patterson, Desmond Trufant, Barkevious Mingo

    in what direction will Jeff Ireland go? He names O-Tackles, DEs, CBs, and WRs as core positions. There are a lot of those types he'll have a shot at. Probably not all of these guys are there, but a lot of them will be. If not, guys like Jarvis Jones or Ezekiel Ansah might drop. Lothuleilei is the only guy on my list that's not at a "core" position, but his talent is good enough to put him on the list. Other guys not at "core" positions like Jonathan Cyprien, Tyler Eifert, and Sheldon Richardson would be available as well.

    You can only pick one.
     
  12. rafael

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    I think Vacarro is a possibility in the first, but I get the impression that we'll look at CB in free agency and later in the draft. The same with the QBs.
     
  13. pocoloco

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    I think Vaccaro is a very very strong trade-back candidate. But I also wouldn't be terribly surprised is Cyprien and Elam get more hype, and he slips to the early 2nd.
     
  14. djphinfan

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    I don't understand drafting safety in the first round, we have a young tandem that played very well last year, with a year under the belt in the system..I'm all for picking a young one with upside later in case Clemons leaves next year, but not in the first..
     
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  15. Sceeto

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    DeSean Jackson 2.0
     
  16. rafael

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    Bush wasn't a good WR. He could beat the LB coming out of the backfield and they should have done more of that, but he would not be doing what Austin would for us.
     
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  17. rafael

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    I believe Austin is at the top of their board.
     
  18. rafael

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    I think they see Clemons as limited. He's a good soldier and a solid tackler, but he lacks instincts. If they saw him as part of a young tandem they wanted to build around they would have offered him more than a one year deal.
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    "Cop out"? What exactly does that mean?
     
  20. shouright

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    I think you can get a good idea of which positions will be targeted in the draft by looking at the current starters who are signed to only one-year contracts, and the guys who have only one year left on their long-term contracts. Dustin Keller, Chris Clemons, Davone Bess.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted Austin at #12, traded back into the 1st to draft Eifert, and took a safety with the remaining #2. Then those players can develop during their rookie seasons while Keller, Clemons, and Bess provide the veteran contributions they're capable of in the last years of their contracts. In that way we can win now while "rebuilding" with those players at the same time.
     
  21. Fin D

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    That makes a lot of sense.
     
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  22. rafael

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    I think that's exactly right. I have Cyprien as one of their targets in the 2nd round. And as I said above, I agree that Austin is the target at #12 and that Eifert is a target if they traded back into the first round.
     
  23. MrClean

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    With the rumors of Miami's strong interest in Escobar, I'd think it more likely they just stand pat at 42 and take him there, unless Eifert and Ertz both go in 1st. In that case they may try to trade up a little to ensure getting Escobar. Best hands among all the TEs in the draft IMO...
     
  24. rafael

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    I think the interest in Escobar is legit, but if Darlington's statement about seeing the team's draft board and the exciting plans is believed, then I would think that Austin and Eifert in the first would fit that criteria. Waiting and taking Escobar is probably more likely as a back-up plan just b/c trades are tough to pull off, but my guess is that Eifert is probably plan A.
     
  25. surferosa

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    With all the early LB signings in Free Agency, have we overlooked the fact that we only have two starting calibre LBs? I count Ellerbe and Wheeler and noone else. There has been speculation that Misi might play MLB in a 4-3 but thats far from a slam dunk. Who else is behind these guys? Kaddu? Spitler?

    Id say we need a starting calibre LB in the first three rounds.
     
  26. pocoloco

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    Ogletree from Georgia is a nice fit for LB. He may start outside and work inside in later years. I've seen everything from a first to second round grade on him.
     
  27. ToddPhin

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    Yup, that's why I've already said it twice. :lol:
     
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  28. finfansince72

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    Amen brother. We've spent enough high draft picks on the oline, if he drafts a tackle (or a guard) with our 1st rounder this year its just absurd at this point.
     
  29. ToddPhin

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    Looking to put Wheeler on the bench already?
     
  30. MrClean

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    Misi is a starting caliber Sam backer. He's proven that. Ellerbe can play Mike and Wheeler the Will.
     
  31. surferosa

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    I think hes insinuating that Ellerbe can play inside or out...
     
  32. Rouk

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    I would love to draft Ogletree that's the one guy i want from this draft but its a pipe dream
     
  33. ToddPhin

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    Not sure that changes anything b/c Ogletree isn't starting out at SAM that's for sure, which I think would still put Wheeler on the bench.
     
  34. MrClean

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    I think our LB starters are set and on the team right now. Drafting a LB in the 1st to bump Misi from the base D would surprise the hell out of me. To suggest Wheeler not starting is sheer lunacy.
     
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  35. Alex13

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    trading back into the 1st round would probably cost a 1st rounder next year...do you really want to give that up
     
  36. pocoloco

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    Expensive Jeff Ireland free agents have a two year average shelf life
     
  37. ToddPhin

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    So then who's riding the bench during those 2 years, Ogletree or Wheeler?.... or do you wanna mix it up and do Wheeler the first one and Ellerbe the second? lol
    You're still not making sense WADR.
     
  38. Phinastic

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    I don't think he moves up to grab a tackle. I think he works with the picks he's got.
     
  39. shouright

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    You don't think Misi is a starting-caliber LB if he plays in the role of the two-down guy who comes off the field for the nickel corner in passing situations and leaves Ellerbe and Wheeler on the field?

    Remember that in just about any system, one of the linebackers needs only be a run-stuffing, two-down guy, because he's going to come off the field in passing situations.
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    Don't forget Randy Starks as someone on a one year contract.
     

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