Darlington & Jeremiah: Miami Looking to Trade UP? (speculation)

They're moving up for Johnson.

I bet they just do a deal to get to 6 and be done with it.

 

I could see them jumping up to 10 on draft day if Lane Johnson fell to there, that's only about 100 points in the draft chart and the Titans have a lot of needs, other than that i cant imagine there are a lot of trade up targets. A lot will depend on remaining free agency i imagine, if they bring in someone like Winston i imagine they'll be more confident picking at 12 or even trading down, if not a tackle becomes a big priority and they have to consider moving up; maybe to 6 to make sure they get their guy.

 

After reading that the first named that popped into my head was Dee Milliner.

"I've got to go through aggravation of trying to find another corner." - Jeff Ireland, Hard Knocks

 

That really the only player I'd consider trading up for, and even with that being said, I think we'd best stay put.

 

personally i´m still dreaming about the tavon austin pick, but moving up so high and "only" giving up #54 would be ok, the pick itself would again not very sexy, since they praise the "we wanna score more", "we need more explosive plays" , i rather get someone who scores TD´s or gets the ball for us

 

I don't see it personally. Since one of Ireland & Philbin's greatest desires is to improve the defense's ability to created turnovers, I'm not sure they'd be sold on Milliner providing it, as he has only 5 INTs in 2 years and displayed hands of stone at the combine.

If we trade up I think there's as much or more of a chance it'd be for a pass rusher than a left tackle considering our interest in Dumervil etc. Perhaps Jordan or Ansah.

 

I don't think they are going skill position early. I think they're going with the meat and potatoes in the first, then once that's done, they get into the skill positions.

 

Darlington & Jeremiah: Miami Looking to Trade UP? (speculation)

I'd love to know what Miami really thinks about Jonathan Martin. That would really help.

 

I think Austin & Patterson should be in that mix considering we have private workouts for both. I don't mean they should be there just because of the workouts but rather because they both play receiver. Having 2 first round WRs scheduled for private workouts tells me WR should still be in the mix at #12, no?

Yeah, we've added Gibson, but he's not the type of player that screams "Ok, we're all set at WR", and IMO if we hadn't signed him and only have Wallace & Hartline, I don't think any of us would look at that as being good enough b/c even with Gibson we're back to being a weak & unexplosive receiving corps should Wallace get hurt..... and regardless of how much we paid Hartline he's still Hartline, although I think it was a necessary evil to pay him that much to ensure we have at least one reliable, possession receiver who has existing chemistry with Tannehill. Bess will be gone so I don't treat him as a reason to not draft a WR high. Plus Gibson was the 3rd best receiver in a bad Rams receiving cast, so for me I look at it as, "We have Hartline & Wallace as long term pieces, but only one of those is a difference maker, and there are plenty of teams who possess a more potent 1-2-3 punch." For me, in an ideal world, we'd have Wallace, Austin/Patterson, and Hartline as our 3 primary receivers with Gibson as the backup, and if we want to run an up tempo offense with a vertical guy like Wallace running lots of sprints we'll need those extra bodies to rotate in.

We've already tipped our hand in FA that boosting the receiving corps and adding offensive weapons is a priority, so why stop there when we can add another one who can ease into the offense while Gibson is here to pull up any temporary slack?

 

I wonder how serious they are about the notion of Misi to ILB... b/c if that's a serious consideration then I think Jarvis Jones would drop considerably while Carradine would jump right to the top with Johnson & Austin.

 

Dwight Freeney
Brent Grimes
Trade up for a tackle
Take a CB in the 2nd round

Not a bad plan. They've always used their first round pick on a glaring need. This wouldn't surprise me. It makes sense if you think about it. Draft where the talent is, sign where the talent is.

 

Have to agree… As I see it right now the Fins biggest needs are OT and CB. I think by trading up to the 6th spot you lose out on a chance to get Slay or Hayden. Doesnt make sense to me…. for a couple reasons. Moving up to take an OT is pretty much admitting that Martin was a wasted 2nd round pick last year as he is not a RT. Secondly, Why move up to get one of the three when you can get a B Williams UNC, later in the draft (4th round ish) due to his injury. Williams is a mobile guy that would fit perfectly into the zone blocking scheme. Personally, I would rather stay put and draft Austin or a pass rusher there.

 

Pretty much agree… I would much rather see Hartron as a 3rd option then a 2nd options.

 

IMO Austin is at the top of Miami's list. After that I see Werner and maybe Jones depending on what they think of his stenosis. Then Vacarro and maybe Eifert. While I understand the allure of the Ts, I just don't get the impression that they're the team's focus. I think #12 is all about playmakers.

 

I don't think it will be Werner, not with Olivier in camp, they rarely draft ahead of the following yrs FA

Notice VD and Smith both came up for FA or close to it, and VD was peddled and Smith allowed to leave, this yr Odrick's FA is upcoming making Werner a man w/o a clear position.

Offensive lineman really does fit what Ireland does, we added 2 Wr's plus the 2 we have, we added Keller and have Clay in camp, so Te would make no sense imo.

Rb is out, Lb as well, we are running out of guys who fit what Ireland's pattern has been aside from OL and Cb, both positions of potential need, both high priced in FA which is something he takes into account.

Why pay Long or Smith 7 million when the Cap basically costs the salary cap what..1/3rd of that for both if you draft them and play them the 600 or snaps each?

IMO though, this is where Ireland goes wrong, it's fine to be the accountant, the league is all about playmakers.

 

Great, not only does it look like we're ready to draft O-line again in round 1.....we're going to trade up to do it ? NOT HAPPENING. Smoke Screen.

 

Not saying I'd trade up for Dee Milliner, but I could see Jeff Ireland trading up for Dee Milliner. Like CK, I'd rather just grab someone like Jamar Taylor, Darius Slay, or Hayden later on. And I can't buy all the hype with Jordan or Ansah. I'd rather just stand pat at 12 and see if Jarvis Jones falls. WAY more productive than Jordan and Ansah combined, and IMO, a better fit schematically for what Miami wants to run.

 

I just read a rumor that Miami is looking to move down with the 49ers.

 

Dion Jordan is a fancrush of mine, BUT, once again, 600 snaps, who does he replace?

No one that I can see, even if Misi moves to MLB, DE?

Not likely, not with Odrick and Vernon in camp

Worse ideas than trading back BUT we are reaching the point of so many picks and so few roster slots which is also the 49ers problem, if we make a move with them it speaks volumes about the roster in Philbin's view, basically we are rebuilding all of our depth at that point, or most of it, 11 picks or so?

 

What Miami could do is to trade back a few more times with their extra pick and pick up picks for 2014.

 

If Miami wants to pick up a DE in the draft i'd be much happier with Alex Okafor in the 2nd then anyone in the 1st. Outside of the tackles there simply isn't a lot of top 5 talent in this draft, move down a few spots and we can still get a real player like Austin or Eifert, not a lot of players i'd move up for and that includes Milliner. If we want some corners; Banks at 54 and maybe Hayden later on would be worth a look.

 

That's more of a problem for the 49ers than it is the Dolphins. They're a Super Bowl Contender. Miami is...7-9. I certainly think you could upgrade over Koa Misi with Jarvis Jones to the point where you could trade Misi. I don't see Jordan or Ansah coming in and making a huge impact right away. There's certainly holes in the secondary and on the offensive line, and I'd argue RB depth is paper thin.

 

If that was somehow the case, and pull in say, a 1st next year (which seems like it could be a way more talented class) plus some, I'd do that and not think twice about it. Got a link to share?

 

Trade Misi, Trade Odrick..yeah.

NFL doesn't work like that R4, it's sort of kill or be killed.

Rb is not to much of an issue if one looks at the Rb Fa class, I suspect we should buckle our seatbelts and wait for what we've come to expect from His Obtuseness, OL, Cb, core positions blah blah blah.

A brief burst of action with Wallace, now I suspect we see LT/Cb/G/Cb/De etc

 

http://phinphanatic.com/2013/03/28/have-you-heard-the-latest-miami-dolphins-rumor/

I read it there. Chances are, not credible.

However it would fit a wild and crazy draft plan.

 

If you read the part about friends with AZ beachfront property in the same paragraph, you can see the guy was clearly joking. Oh well, I was excited there for a second, lol.

 

I said to the point where you could trade Misi. I'd be fine with him as depth. Regardless, I think Jarvis Jones would be a better fit for this defense playing that OLB spot opposite Wake.

Has Miami even sniffed a RB in free agency? None that I know of, hence my concern. Especially if they are looking at guys like Giovani Bernard and Andre Ellington (both have met with Miami). I wouldn't trust either of them to carry the load should something happen to Miller. Daniel Thomas is what he is, which is not much. Jonas Gray is a question mark.

 

I think Austin is at the top of their list as well. The fall back options, IMO, are Tyler Eifert, possibly Sheldon Richardson, and possibly Kenny Vaccaro/Jonathan Cyprien.

IMO, Darlington has heard the same thing as well, as he has already stated that Miami's draft plans are intriguing, and he's now saying that they will continue to target skill position players rather than meat and potato guys.

I think by ignoring the interest in Tavon Austin, you would basically be trying to think a little too much about things and will ultimately outsmart yourself.

The fact is, Tavon Austin is the type of player that Jeff Ireland has CRAVED bringing to Miami. IMO, he will see this as his second chance to get a Percy Harvin type of player without getting the headaches with Percy Harvin. I think Joe Philbin is on board with this too, as it would give him four legitimate receivers, two of which can make big plays either by running vertical routes or taking a short pass to the house, while the other two are strong chains movers.

 

It makes a lot of sense that SanFran is looking to move up. They have so many damn picks on top of that loaded roster, they can pay big for a guy like Austin.

 

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See, I don't think there is any basis for this line of thinking other than the idea that Jeff Ireland is still thinking in a Parcellian way. IMO, Ireland has never been a true Parcellian thinker.

We will see come draft time though. IMO, if you aren't seriously interested in a player, you wouldn't spend as much time scouting said player the way Miami has scouted Tavon Austin. It is reminiscent of how they scouted Ryan Tannehill last year and how they scouted Percy Harvin, who was a much bigger risk due to his character, in 2009.