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Goodell gives Miami an ultimatum...no soup for you!!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Mar 20, 2013.

  1. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Well I haven't seen the Chargers being threatened. Their taxpayers have made it clear to their politicians not to spend money that way. In Miami-Dade the Marlins boondoggle cost Mayor Alvarez his job (he was recalled less than a year after he was re-elected).
     
  2. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    San Diego is doomed as an NFL market.
     
  3. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    There is already a 6% tax on top of sales tax on hotel rooms in Miami-Dade.
     
  4. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Great sketch, and I miss Kids in the Hall.....especially Buddy Cole, as played by Scott Thompson.

    [video=youtube;2XIxgGl3vE4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XIxgGl3vE4[/video]

    My favorite line : "People make fun of me because I lisp. Really ?!?!? Such a lot of fuss over a few extra s's" :lol: He is just like my older brother Jim. Its like a clone.
     
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  5. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Well he can always sell - he doesn't have to do anything. Good luck in getting your money back Ross.
     
  6. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    It's not as easy as that. If it was even I might be in favor. That tax won't raise the $ 200 million for about 10 years, so in the meantime it has to be funded by selling bonds, which have interest on them, that someone will have to pay. Most likely the general revenue fund, which is funded by property taxes - i.e. MY MONEY.
     
  7. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    But that $ 200 million won't be raised overnight, in the meantime its the taxpayers that have to pay and tack cutbacks in the county services or find their county raises fees to cover that shortfall.
     
  8. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Because the tourist tax takes years to accumulate, and in the meantime, its NOW money that is needed to pay for contractors, materials and labor to do the job. They can fund it by selling bonds, but that also means there is interest to pay on those.

    And if there is another economic turndown / meltdown just like in 2008, tourism took a HUGE hit here in South Fla. The area also is suffering still from the housing bust. The county already has suffered huge losses in tax revenue because of the amount of tax they were collecting and now house assessments in some cases are cut in half, meaning the county is taking in hundreds of millions less in tax revenues.

    DJ, the public just can't afford this. Ross must do this himself, and if he can't then he must live with no SB's and the loss of that revenue for his stadium. If he agrees to pay the money back, then we can talk, but NO FREE MONEY FOR HIS PRIVATE BUSINESSS UNLESS HE AGREES TO PAY IT BACK, AND WITH INTEREST.

    Why doesn't he just get a loan from a bank for it ?
     
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  9. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Well I agree with you on that. I was a season ticket holder last year, but refuse to ever buy a season ticket until Loria sells or dies.
     
  10. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Seriously ? You really think many of them care about any sports team ? A lot of them aren't even from this country and have no idea who the Miami Dolphins are, and don't even understand American football. My guess is you don't live in South Fla, but I could be wrong.
     
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  11. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    Only if the LA stadium is built, and that is not a certainty.
     
  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not an expert here Oak on the infrastructure of a deal like this in relation to a city, I just think folks need to think big picture here, I think the payoff will be there..I think if I'm Ross, my thought process from an investment POV is if I put the whole amount in, what's making more money in the long run?, the actual building, or the city and region benefitting from the exposure that my building brought them.?.

    you Gotta think big picture for a bit i think, your gonna miss out on mass exposure for your city and all that that entails, and, your not even talking about doing anything to help your football get a more competitive advantage, the negative dynamics of being too far away from the action, For a lot of years man, what's the economic effect of that,? to the city and the team..

    Even if its gonna take 10 years, city is gonna make money off it, the dolphins will benefit, and continue to give back to the community, have you thought about that, have you looked at it as the dolphins franchise is an asset to the community?, you better take care of one of your biggest assets is all I'm Sayin..

    I'm gonna call you Bigpic from now on Oak..lol
     
  13. CANDolphan

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    Im still going to need to see some proof of all this money the city is going to make off it. All I've seen so far are fake conclusions and dismissing of MULTIPLE articles that conclude the contrary.

    Evidence. Facts. Not just "Oh it'll definitely bring money to the community! I mean... IT WILL! Trust me!" Otherwise how can there be an actual discussion here?

    And Oak man, lol, you're killing me! We gotta teach you how to multi-quote in one post
     
  14. PhinishLine

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    Boo hoo. Hollar at me when you actually pay a state tax.
     
  15. DearbornDolfan

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    The Dolphins are the only team in Florida that pays full property taxes and sales taxes for their facility, unlike the Marlins who paid nothing for their stadium and pay nothing in property taxes. The assessed value of the stadium alone is 500 million, so take whatever the property tax rate per thousand is and multiply it by 500,000. Also, if this goes through the assessed value is going to go up by 400 million.

    Because then the bank would then own part of the stadium, which I don't think is allowable by NFL rules. He's already leveraged a substantial amount of his assets to buy the team anyway.
     

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