Dont let him leave the facility without signing him to a contract. I still think we will draft a LT if we sign Winston, just not early in the draft.
I be a little bit cautious about Winston, 2012 Houston let him go and this year Kansas City let him walk also. Both teams felt he was overpayed, so buyer beware. I liked him in college myself and hope he is the answer for us, I just hope we get him at a reasonable price.
Houston let him walk because they did not have the cap room to resign him, and as for KC I believe that what happened there is they want to draft a tackle #1 overall and they thought of Abert as a better tackle over Winston. Not necessarily bad on Winston's part just the way KC wanted to go.
I think you're being overly optimistic here. It's a matter of resources. If you think Martin is ready to play LT than you don't flirt with spending 8-9 million on a LT whose body may be breaking down and who may not be quite so natural for the scheme. And there are reports out there that state they have explored or perhaps offered a pick to KC for Brandon Albert, so that doesn't particularly sound like they're brimming with confidence when it comes to Martin. Winston is at least a good fit for the scheme despite being a RT. But there really isn't much left on the market at LT that fits the bill.
Kansas City has a ton of holes to fill, yet they deceided to let him walk. So buyers beware, I hope we do our homework on him. Once again I loved him in College. But a bit nervous because he been released two year's in a row.
That's been addressed more than once this offseason and as recently as a response to the post you made saying the exact same thing minutes ago.
In his college evaluation I thought he would be best suited to move to guard..I don't think his issues are just strength related, he didn't do anything last season to make me change my mind..one of the assets that he does have is some athletic ability, we want athletic lineman, athletic guards, move his *** to guard.. I have 0 confidence in this player, hope he improves tremendously, cause if he improves a little bit, a little bit will not be average.
Winston would be a decent signing and could help the OL in 2013. I just continue to have serious concerns about Martin being the Dolphins starting LT. I know some people on here think he will show big improvement in his play in 2013 over his play in 2012. I certainly hope so, because right now I just don't want Martin to be the player protecting Tannehill's blind side.
Kansas City had almost 17 million in cap space, at the start of FA before releasing him. They where not a cap starved team. Also he was schedule to make 4.9 million in 2013, by cutting him. They only opened up a little over 3 million in cap space. If he a top right tackle, you do not let him walk away for such a small cap room savings. Now if the Chiefs are moving away from ZBS, that makes more sense? So the blanket answer of they wanted to free up cap room. Does not make a ton of sense. So in my personal view, is we need to do our homework on him. Buyer beware and this is comming from a fan, who liked him in college at the U. I do know that Houston fans loved the guy and hated to see him go. Also I like to point out that both Luke Joevkel & Eric Fisher played on college teams that used the ZBS. [rumered targets of the Chiefs at #1 pick]
If Reid running power blocking scheme, that makes a ton of sence. That's the main reason for his release... thanks
I'm tempted to say go all out on the offensive line. The prices in FA are very reasonable. 8m for Brandon Albert and say 3.5m for a guard on the level of Brandon Moore? Those are some very reasonable prices.
Well, Philbin's background is as an offensive line coach. Sherman started out as an offensive line coach too as I recall. I'm of the opinion that Jim Turner is a very good OL coach and he was my favorite assistant coach hiring last year when Joe put together his staff. If these men believe Martin can develop into a solid LT, then I'm willing to defer to their superior knowledge and experience on the subject, rather than continually wail lamentations on a forum about how Martin sucks, always has sucked, and always will and Tannehill is on a short road to the DL after Martin's ineptitude gets him decapitated. Not saying you've been doing that necessarily, just the general tone of the posts about Martin or how I perceive them. Philbin spoke positively about Martin's development after the season. We shall see how sincere he was, based on what is done in free agency and the draft. I've had the gut feeling since the moment his name was called last draft that Martin stood a very good chance to be the LT of the future.
The other key note is that Umenyiora might be the next guy in line. There are a bunch of bargains out there and with their incoming cap space on June 21st Miami can afford to sign a couple of great players. Any rankings on PFF for the top 3 DEs available? Freeney, Dumervil, and Umenyiora?
Martin has the tools to be a very good tackle at the pro level. A] quick feet B] long arms C] athletic D] smart But he also needs to get much stronger, so let's hope Darren Krein busts his azz in the weight room.
An interesting stat from PFF, last season Miami's OL as a group were 11th in the league in pass blocking efficiency. That is pretty good. Only 4 of the 10 teams better than us made the playoffs though. So apparently there isn't a strong correlation between PBE and making the playoffs, as long as you're pretty good at it. Also, SF was tied for 17th and BLT was 22nd last season. NE and ATL were both tied for 14th. Of the ten worst teams though, only one made the playoffs. IND, who finished dead last in PBE. DEN and CIN were 1 and 2. HST was 8th and MIN was 7th. SEA was 12th and GB 13th. WAS was tied for 17th.
So, Winston was let go, probably, for the same reason the Phins are revamping this roster. Makes sense to me. If it doesn't fit, ...........
In PRP, pass rush productivity among 4-3 DEs, Wake was #1, just for comparison with a PRP of 12.9. Elvis was 11th at 9.8, Osi was 22nd at 8.6. Freeney played 3-4 OLB and ranked 9th at the position with a PRP of 8.8. PRP is a formula that combines sacks, hits and hurries,(with hits and hurries at 3/4s the worth) relative to how many times they rush the passer.
Miami would be well served signing Umenyiora to put into their nickel package. It could be a huge difference in getting teams off the field next year.
Phil Loadholt came out of a zone blocking system to. College systems don't really mean much of anything. The blanket answer is that Winston is purely a zone blocking guy...and Reid likes his bulldozers. I mean really...how many times does it need to be explained when you saw THREE instances of positional changes with Miami because of style already with Jake Long (It was more then just injury history here. Jake's not much of a zone guy and it showed) and the Wheeler/Ellebe, Dansby/Burnett swap. Winston also rates pretty solid in both passing protection and run blocking by PFF....which is a minor miracle cause they don't diagnose zone blocking plays very well and tend to rate those guys lower then they should be. FYI with Houston he was rated as a top 10 tackle regardless of left or right the year before and 12th the year before that. So I would consider the right completely sewn up with him there and cost us around half of Jake Long.
Freeney was put in with the 3-4 LB's...so it's kinda hard to judge him for DE here with PFF. Dumervil was 44th in 4-3 DE's. Bad run and penalty ratings. However 12 sacks, 11 hits, 37 hurries on 957 carriers. Quite frankly you got to restrict him more to passing downs...Cut his snaps in half. He'd be value as a nickel rusher. But how much do you pay for that? Umenyiora was 31st. 6/7/32. Also trouble handling the run so you wouldn't want him out there on running downs. Which is why they love Odrick. While Odrick doesn't bring the pass rush he's a +4 against the run compared to Umenyiora's -4.8 and Dumervil's -6.1. Interesting stat though. Odrick 6/10/21 in the same number of snaps. Just makes me think were more likely to see them get a nickel pass rusher or find a guy who can do both in the draft (ie: Run stop and pass rush). Pash Rush Productivity left side though: #2: Dumervil (16.2) #4: Wake (13.1) #13: Osi (9.8) However Wake nearly quadrupled Dumervil's left side pass rush snaps though. 10 times Osi's left side snaps. Overall PRP is Wake #1, Dumervil #10, Osi #13 Can we really give it up to Wake though. Devastating pass rusher but we don't give him enough credit for his run stopping which finished #8 this season. He IS the all around package. Best guess: We go after Osi on a nickel/dime pass rushing contract. And Vernon....he'll have to collect the scraps Shelby has been getting. Or maybe the plan is to get Misi go after this season and make Vernon the new Misi..who knows.
Correct.... when you pull back and look bigger picture (the way we need to to manage the entire roster). You pay Winston. Martin sucks too much at LT and needs to go back to RT. You now have two RTs and need a LT. In this case you would have been better off getting a guy capable of playing LT if Martin failed. Winston is NOT that guy imo. I'd rather have Vollmer.
They have spoken openly a lot about Odrick staying there. Could be a smoke screen for a DE more like what Coyle had in Cinci (275lbs, can play run and pass rush the LT). I'm thinking Corners, DE and taking advantage of the deep DT pool is where Miami will go at this rate. Move Odrick inside and if the DT prospect works out....there's your new DT's for 2014 (yah I know I'm reaaaaaly future speculating here).
I believe he was at LT in the 49ers game. But you right Smith is one of the best passrushers in the Nfl... and he beats the best OTs in the league.
True. but I want us to build a team that can win Superbowls. That means our standard for the players we want has to be higher than "He can block everyone except elite guys."
