Warmack now in play at 12? Jerry to RT?

I'm really hoping the light sort of turns on for the kid and he get's his weight and everything together. He has a lot of potential, I think he just needs to dedicate himself and it would really help us fill a void.

 

If I knew how to post something funny I would..

Like Jerry in a pool of chocolate..

We don't know much at this point, I believe there is an OTA coming up soon no?, we should find out or see a pic of the kid, we'll see if he's a man or a dum ***.

 

Not sure Jerry is a good fit for the ZBS and Cooper is probably a better fit than Warmack.

 

Yeatman is the real sleeper pick to play RT, he could be a excellent ZBS linemen for us. Might take a bit more time, as he making the switch from TE to OT.

 

I'm not sure how I feel with an offensive line with Martin as the LT and Jerry as the RT. I would much rather see the Dolphins sign Vollmer or Winston and put one of these players at LT and return Martin to RT.
As far as the Dolphins selecting Warmack with their first round pick. I would have no problem with that at all. He would certainly be a definite upgrade over Jerry at the RG position.

 

Warmack is plays in what is overwhelmingly a zone blocking run game. He's not the fastest guy from a 40 yard dash standpoint, but he's quite good at it. He's athletic enough to do what you want, and technically he can do the job really well. The guy knows how to combo block really well.

 

No to Warmack at 12. I would rather go cb or de than ol at 12. I personally want Austin. Take a guard later in the draft, take a tackle in rounds 2 through 4, and stick to the orginal plan which likely didn't include having Long.

 

How about Fluker at RT? Havent heard his name mentioned at all, either at 12 or in the second round (he probably falls somewhere in between)

 

Chance Warmack had better not be the pick at 12.

 

At this point, after the FA moves, OL and CB are definitely in play.

 

Cooper is much more athletic and is right up there with him from a talent standpoint. Some think he's better. If we're going OG, I'd rather Cooper. Cooper and Pouncey getting downfield on a screen is scary.

 

He does OK against college guys. I'm not sure he will be very good at second level blocking against faster NFL defenders. I think Warmack is a phone booth guy long term who can destroy you when he gets his hands on you. For a zone blocking scheme, I think Jonathan Cooper is a better fit.

Either way, I think the guy Miami will target as OL help is David Bakhtiari from Colorado.

 

Bottom line to me on Chance Warmack is he doesn't have unique ability as a football player, he's just uniquely coached and polished. You can probably take guys in the mid or even late rounds and within a few years make them as good as he is. Cooper's a little more unique. But I still wouldn't consider either guy at 12 and you'd be hard pressed to get me considering either at 42.

At least when the Dolphins took Mike Pouncey at 15 overall, he had unique abilities relative to the position. Unique athletic ability, range, agility, etc. He was better than his brother Maurkice.

 

He's going to be over-drafted. How many "the next Steve Hutchinsons" have come out in recent years?

I just can't understand taking a guard in round 1. I get that we technically did it with Pouncey, but we moved him to C.

 

I agree that Warmack isn't a special player at least not enough IMO to put him in play at #12. The same can be said for taking any CB to plug int a zone system. I still see pass rusher (my guess is Werner) or Austin as the most likely choices at #12.

 

I don't think he's a fit for us at #12, but he's a top 20 talent IMHO. If we do address the OL that high, I wouldn't be upset with Lane Johnson at all. Unless Jarvis Jones somehow fell to us and we passed. Then I'd be livid.

 

Lane Johnson is the best offensive tackle in this class, IMO. I wouldn't be upset at taking him at 12 overall almost regardless of who else was available.

 

I'm not sure you're going to use the full extent of Cooper's athletic ability unless you are using him like Justin Smiley.

I dunno, if he can impede defenders who are closer to the aiming point on a play than he is, he's ahead of the curve, slow 40 time or not. Second level blocking is nice, but it shouldn't be considered the only thing. Especially when the guy is sitting next to Mike Pouncey and Jonathan Martin.

 

Except there's no way Lane lasts until #12. Another good question is whether Cooper lasts until #2A.

 

To get the most out of Cooper you have to put him on IR?

I keed, I keed.

 

I like Brian Winters. I like Brian Schwenke even as a guard instead of a center. I would consider either guy in the 3rd round. I would also consider Hugh Thornton in the 4th.

 

I think G is an easy position to fill either later in the draft or with a vet later in FA. Even after the draft I expect there will be guys cut loose that could fill the hole.

 

Offensive line play is way too bad in the NFL for that to be true. You can coach guys up, but most people don't develop the kind of technical skills that Warmack has. There aren't loads of dominant guards out there.

It's not like he's physically average, either. He's not Carl Nicks in terms of size/speed, but he's hardly a slouch either. Guys who are as powerful as Warmack generally are just straight man blocking, non-pulling right guards. Warmack can handle short pulls and whatever zone blocking you want.

 

I find him to be physically below average. Good functional strength but a 5.50 kind of guy (on film, on a track) and not a guy I think has an unusual 10 yard split or explosive/agility measures to make up for it. He's balanced, deliberate, and powerful. And I'm pretty sure I can find that outside of the 1st round...eventually.

 

Isn't the 12th pick in the first round a little high to select a Guard? Also do people think there will be two offensive tackles taken in the 1st eleven picks of the first round because Luke Joeckel will be the first Tackle selected? I know some mocks have Eric Fisher as the second tackle being selected.

 

His measureables are below average, but what you're saying sounds like Rex Hadnot went to offensive linemen finishing school. That isn't Warmack. There isn't a lot of examples of the guy not getting the job done from an athleticism standpoint. I'm not sure that I buy the guy as someone who should really be going mid top-10, but the guy has drawn accolades from a lot of people as one of the best guard guys in a while.

A fair amount of Warmack's promise is his technical skills, but I don't see how you can treat that as soft skills that anyone can learn. There are loads of good, veteran NFL players who don't do the technical aspect as good as Warmack seems to do naturally. I don't think a lot of the things Warmack does that are technical skills are really all that "learned" either. It's the same kind of sense as waist-bending vs. leg bending kind of thing. They're theoretically technical skills rather than physical traits, but they are almost treated as such.

 

I am not opposed to moving Jerry to tackle, but I would like to see Yeatman get a chance. However, I don't like the idea of Warmack in the first period.

 

Would you be cool if they moved up a couple/few spots to get him?

 

If you're thinking of a guard at 12, you move up to get Lane Johnson.

 

I am thinking Austin, defensive end, or cb.

 

it obviously depends on who goes top 11, so if the D'ends are gone, then Austin or Eifert it is.

 

Also, I just coincidentally found this article by the humble Mr. Dumonjic when looking for some information on Warmack, for those of you interested in Alen's take:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nce-warmack-the-best-offensive-guard-in-years

 

Warmack is a beast but I would worry about him and Jerry on the right side not being mobile enough to play in a ZBS at the pro level. I think you can get away with one but not sure about both. Also not sure if its enough of an upgrade to make it worthwhile at 12

 

I don't think Jerry would be starting at that point.

 

Depends on what other needs they've filled prior to that, but yes.