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Long signs with the Rams per ProFootballTalk

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Mexphin, Mar 18, 2013.

  1. Joe Robbie

    Joe Robbie The Patriarch

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    I would have been happy with either one, considering they're not lineman being taken with the first pick. Better yet: They're not "often injured" lineman being taken with the first pick.
     
  2. jim1

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    Then again, Matt Ryan could have turned into Alex Smith- he was far from considered a sure fire #1 type prospect. Jake Long, on the other hand, was having not only an all-pro career for the first 3 years of his career, he was having what very much looked like a Hall of Fame career. Then the injuries, but now he's healthy, 27 years old and in St. Louis and they're thrilled to have him.

    I would have very much liked to see Jake Long stay in Miami- as the saying goes, you don't miss someone or something until they're gone. It wasn't Long's fault that Miami consistently whiffed on skill position players and stunted their growth. Now we have a QB and some receivers and our stalwart (minus the injuries) LT is gone. I think that St. Louis got a great deal.

    Personally, I wish that we not only bolstered our WR corps but we kept both Long and Reggie Bush, and made better use of Reggie. Now that the die is cast, I'd like to get Martin to LT (not ideal, but it makes sense) and draft Menelik Watson in the 2nd rd fro RT. Jake Long will be missed, not only for his oustanding play when healthy, but for the OL continuity as well. I'm bummed to see him go.
     
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  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Right, but what if the choice was between David Carr and Jake Long?

    Carr had every bit the juice going into his draft that Ryan did. It was like this upcoming draft. Geno Smith is considered the top prospect but he's not the consensus top pick....a tackle is.
     
  4. Joe Robbie

    Joe Robbie The Patriarch

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    This doesn't matter. They would have at least tried to address the most important position on the field properly, instead of continuing to put it off. I'd rather they keep trying and failing, than not try at all.
     
  5. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    They didn't put it off. They drafted Henne in the 2nd who was a better prospect based on Parcells checklist for QBs.
     
  6. jw3102

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    Long was a great LT during his first three years with the Dolphins. He was just an average LT during the past two years because of injuries. I wish him well in St. Louis but I'm happy that the Dolphins didn't match the Rams offer. He just isn't worth that type money at this stage of his career.
     
  7. Joe Robbie

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    ... And this is why Parcells sucks at being a GM. "QB is the most important position on the field, but meh... I'm sure we'll find someone in the later rounds. No biggie."
     
  8. Fin D

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    2nd round is not really a "later round" like you're making it sound, but yes Parcells is a POS.
     
  9. Joe Robbie

    Joe Robbie The Patriarch

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    It's still not the first round. A QB should have been taken with the first pick.
     
  10. Fin D

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    Like Jamarcus Russell the year before that?

    I think, you'd have an argument when discussing the post-rookie cap drafts, but not before that.
     
  11. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Pat White begs to differ.
    He was out of the league in 2 years, tried baseball and sucked at that.

    So yeah.
     
  12. Joe Robbie

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    Again, it doesn't matter if the QB busts. If you need one (and if you're picking #1 overall you probably do), why the heck are you gonna address other positions before the most important one? Even if it is a weak QB class, it's still a crapshoot that you might win. Who the hell knew that guys like Dan Marino, and Tom Brady were gonna be stars? I bet teams that picked first those years are still kicking themselves in the nuts.
     
  13. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Of course it matters. They wanted to take a shot at Flacco or Henne, and Henne obvioulsy didn't work out. Hindsite is always 20/20, and I doubt that you would be so adamant about Matt Ryan if he didn't pan out- he did, we chose long, that's life. It's not like Jake Long was a bad pick- if you want to see a bad pick look at Jason Smith. Jake Long was on pace for the Hall of Fame after his first three years before the injuries, bottom line. There's no need to play the hindsite game imo, and if that game is to be played we might as well obsess on drafting Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers, who imo is the best QB in football.
     
  14. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Well, now we have gone from wringing our hands about "will he?-won't he" to back biting-we should'a/could'a blamestorming. Neither will accomplish much more than increase the sale of antacids and anti-depressants or ardent spirits. I have to think that the Dolphins Front Office has a plan in place for this eventuality, since it was an obvious possibility, and that will come into play now depending on what happens in the rest of the league.

    From what I have read in a couple of spots (don't ask me where, I can't remember - I'm an old fart!), Eric Winston is almost as bad a pass blocker as Marc Columbo. If this is true, then why the hue and cry for his immediate signing? Sebastian Vollmer has been dealing with injuries - haven't we just been down that road? The consensus of the Chicken Little Battalion is that Martin had a bad year (Well, MOST rookie lineman do!) - but somewhere back in the dim recesses of a dust covered memory, I seem to recall that any number of good lineman became not only stronger but more proficient between their rookie and sophomore years. (Remove your hand from the panic button, please!)

    And a whole lot of people have fallen into the fallacy of dumping everyone in to one big painfully unhappy grouping called "THEM" (meaning the Miami Dolphins leadership in general for the past decade and a half of misery) and reveling in the wallow of "Woe is US - and it's all because of.....(Name your target d'jour) [Lord, if some of the people were working for me and they did this in the midst of a problem, they would have their final paycheck in 15 minutes! - and I did spend 14 years in business before I became what I am now!]

    So, folks.
    We also retool the offensive line. (I know this has NEVER happened before, so we will have to assume that we are going to fly by the seat of our pants and make stupid decisions - of course inviting more open blamestorming!) There is a good center in the midst of this, a good guard, and an question mark LT now, with an opening on the right side with auditions to be taken for both positions (I hope - unless someone gets Jerry to be a walking poster board for the "Take If Off, Take It All Off" miracle diet plan!) We have never had that problem either - Come on down, Vernon Carey!.

    There is some very good depth, from all I have heard, in the draft. We don't need to panic and run around like a bunch of chickens who are the second step from plucking over this. We can still build a good offensive line, and possibly a more balance offensive line without having to pay for a possible Pro-Bowl LT now, and I would rather have a whole bunch of good compared to one superstar?, one good, one very good, and two INT WTF's playing offensive line (and yes, I know what that means - I spent four years chasing Sovs around the Atlantic and Med on a tin can - the language there is not pastoral, but definitely colorful.)

    So, keep your helmets on, gentleman, and don't get caught up in the current round of "I told ya so's" which have erupted, or I should have written - regurgitated all over the board. Let's see what the next couple of days bring as well are remember we haven't had the draft yet.
     
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  15. jim1

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  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Davis can play zone, and he can play man. How was he not a fit for the current system?
     
  18. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I was actually one who supported the decision to take Long over Ryan when it happened. But, now looking back at it logically it would be very difficult to support the decision as being the best one for the Dolphins. Particularly because we now have nothing to show for it, while a young QB continues to mature and improve his game in Atlanta. The better/bigger question or issue is would he be the same had Miami drafted him? And, we'll never know the answer to that.

    Fast forward to last year's draft, and the same GM had the cahones to step up and draft the third rated QB in the draft class at #8 (considered a reach by some) while other safer prospects were still OTB. Safe to say I think Ireland learned a little something from the '08 draft.
     
  19. Joe Robbie

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    If they wanted Flacco... HE WAS THERE AT #1!!!! And this is not me looking back in hindsight. I was pissed about drafting an OL right when it happened. Hell, if they weren't gonna pick a QB, at least pick another skill position. Lord knows they were devoid of talent at all of them.
     
  20. CaribPhin

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    Let that dinosaur who apparently doesn't know the value of a WR in St. Louis have him. This guy pays ~$9 million for a LT that hasn't played well in two years, drafts Brian Quick in the second round, lets Amendola walk, and signs an unproven Jared Cook to a huge deal. I'm not so sure Jeff Fisher knows what the **** he's doing. It's apparently sign former Dolphins (poaching from a bad team), and sign any hodgepodge of available players.
     
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  21. Joe Robbie

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    If they wanted Flacco... HE WAS THERE AT #1!!!! And this is not me looking back in hindsight. I was pissed about drafting an OL right when it happened. Hell, if they weren't gonna pick a QB, at least pick another skill position. Lord knows they were devoid of talent at all of them.
     
  22. Fin D

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    It did matter before the rookie cap. You were paying 1st picks obscene amounts of money back then. That simply has to be a factor.
     
  23. IMO the fault was in not extending his contract before it expired. Maybe Ireland tried but Long was looking for 15M a year to do it. I dont know and am not assigning blame, The reality is that getting nothing back for him when he was still arguably worth 9M per year is a fail for the team.
     
  24. Mcduffie81

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    I'm still pissed at that move. If that 2nd rounder nets us garbage as usual I'm going on a cyber tea bagging spree on everyone who defended that move! :P
     
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  25. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The QB disruption totals do not reflect that. Last season, in 570 pass block snaps, Winston allowed 3 sacks, 6 hits and 25 hurries. He play 100% of KC's offensive snaps. In 2011, Colombo allowed in 569 pass block snaps, 9 sacks, 9 hits, and 35 hurries. He committed 3 penalties, and this is the one area where Winston was worse, because in 2012, he committed 10 penalties.
    In 2011, Winston allowed 7 sacks, 2 hits, and 20 hurries in 588 pass block snaps. He committed 9 penalties.
     
  26. rtl1334

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    There's been a lot of talk about what a failure the 08 draft was but I beg to differ. You have three players (Long, Langford and Thomas) that are highly paid starters in the league today. You have another (Henne) who's developed into a decent spot starter/quality back-up. Not to mention Bess as an UDFA.

    The reality is regimes change and personnel philosophies change (explains the departures of Long and Langford) and sometimes coaching staffs are fired because they cannot develop the players on the roster (explains Thomas and some would argue Henne).

    Just saying it wasn't the colossal failure many are making it out to be.
     
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  27. byroan

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    Why do folks think Ryan would have had the same success here? Who would have been his LT? Who would he be throwing the ball to? He wouldn't have had two great WR's and a HOF TE here. He probably would've turned into Henne.

    Besides, it's done and over with. This is proof that Parcells didn't know jack.
     
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  28. It issnt colossal but it is a failure to get nothing back for him.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    Would like to know our offer to figure out for sure, if that dude just wanted out, I suspected he wanted out and that looks at this point to be the case.
     
  30. rtl1334

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    How were we to get anything back for him?
     
  31. djphinfan

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    He dogged it at times last year..
     
  32. Desides

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    You realize Matt Ryan has survived for five years with Sam Baker, right?
     
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  33. djphinfan

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    I respect the stance by the front office, I don't respect Jake for not calculating the math to understand that we paid him a 60 million dollar contract for 3 good seasons..he was overpaid, should of taken that into consideration and understood why our offer was less.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    Anonymous ???

    Still think he wanted to be a Miami dolphin..?

    Fu&$ him..he wanted outta here man..
     
  35. djphinfan

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    thank you.
     
  36. rafael

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    Long probably made the right decision. I think he's a better man blocker than zone blocker. And I'm sure I'm in the minority (I haven't read through the thread), but I think it's better for Miami too. I think Long will be a better LT this year (if he stays healthy) than Martin, but I'm not sure going forward. I prefer Martin at LT and Long at RT, but I doubt they would have done that. I prefer that Miami save the money and sign a cheaper RT and keep Martin at left. I wouldn't even be all that worried if Jerry or Yeatman ended up at RT.
     
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  37. rtl1334

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    The move was made for locker room chemistry. Recall how he was suspended for conduct detrimental the season before? Not to mention showing up to camp out of shape. That and the Marshall move had Philbin's fingerprints all over them.

    After the fiasco with the leadership committee, I don't think it's a coincidence that Bush, Long and Dansby are all gone. Reading the tea leaves, I don't think Bess is on solid ground either.
     
  38. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    In terms of movement talent I think your right about Long..Don't think I really looked at that thoroughly.
     
  39. They let it get to a point where it was impossible to get anything back. Jake should of been extended last year even if it was just to trade him this year. It was a mistake letting him enter into FA, Im not blaming anyone, for all I know they did try to get him extended and Jake refused. Just saying it ends up a loss to the team.
     
  40. rtl1334

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    I tend to think that either no offer was made or they made an offer they knew he wouldn't accept. He just didn't fit for several reasons.
     

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